Topic: First show help

[Geoff16Fryer]

Hey guys im tapin my first show tomarrow night at a small venue (old garage) with a very kickin pa system in it. what mic set up would u use? and im runnin c4s-ua5-jb3 should i use the cards or omnis and what setting on the mic should i have it at? thanks guys

[rowjimmytour]

Hey guys im tapin my first show tomarrow night at a small venue (old garage) with a very kickin pa system in it. what mic set up would u use? and im runnin c4s-ua5-jb3 should i use the cards or omnis and what setting on the mic should i have it at? thanks guys

If ya mean kickin' as in heavy bass ya might want to run XY but if ya think the band might have a good sound balance defintely go DIN w/ the cards. Keep the mic set on normal w/ no bass pass (switch all the way up towards caps). Keep an eye on your UA5 and make sure ya don't overload. I like to start at 3 0'clock on my left and right channel and see how it goes. The light (overload light) should flicker on and off multipyle times. And most important have a good time and good good luck. Also +t for your virgin trip in the tapers section.
Peace

The spacing between the microphones on the horizontal plane is intended to simulate the intra-ear delay time we hear. The spacing is about twice that of the ORTF method or 30cm for NOS and 20 cm for DIN, both use an included angle of 90 degrees. They are best suited for really bright sounding microphones. With Microphones like the AKG and Microtech Geffel lines there is a noticeable loss of focus or detail with this much spacing and is not recommended for these microphones. Very Bright mics like the AT and Schoeps often benefit from the phase differences resulting in a sweeter sound than they would produce in an X-Y configuration. If you like the ORTF method, you may wish to experiment with this interesting setup.

This is the most common form of stereo recording, the 90 degree X-Y configuration. Here careful attention should be paid to the vertical alignment of the diaphram inside the capsule. The smaller the error the better the focus and depth of the recording. The horizontal displacement is not critical and can be adjusted to accomadate larger microphones or the use of windscreens. This works well with both cardiod and hypercardiod microphones. This is our recommended starting point for all new recording engineers. We find that all large diaphram microphones must be set up in this manner to assure satisfing results.
http://www.oade.com/Tapers_Section/micsetup.html

[Geoff16Fryer]

awsome dude thanks so much i think im ganna go with the DIN but where do u measure the 20cm from? and any tips on getting the angles right? i was thinking a cardboard template

[bconnolly]

awsome dude thanks so much i think im ganna go with the DIN but where do u measure the 20cm from? and any tips on getting the angles right? i was thinking a cardboard template

Measure from the caps.  Bring a protractor and a ruler then see everyone laugh at you (no seriously, I've had it happen).  Anything to get that mic config right!

[terrapinj]

run the cards - the omnis need to be spaced properly or used with a baffle to get a good stereo image. more importantly the omnis will pick up much more crowd noise.

the great thing about DIN is that the 90 degree angle is really easy to eye out. what you may want to do is set up a few times at your house and measure to make sure its exactly spaced and angled right. (you measure from the center of each cap) try to find some sort of reference points so when you set up tomorrow you can get the spacing exactly right. DIN is the safest bet for the C4s and you can adjust the angle slightly to accomodate the room.

have fun! great rig for your 1st show

[George]

awsome dude thanks so much i think im ganna go with the DIN but where do u measure the 20cm from? and any tips on getting the angles right? i was thinking a cardboard template

Measure from the caps.  Bring a protractor and a ruler then see everyone laugh at you (no seriously, I've had it happen).  Anything to get that mic config right!

lol, I always wondered how a taper would measure the config to make sure it was right. 

[612]

Have a good time and +t for the thread, I'll be running this rig within a month.

[Patrick]

the great thing about DIN is that the 90 degree angle is really easy to eye out. what you may want to do is set up a few times at your house and measure to make sure its exactly spaced and angled right. (you measure from the center of each cap) try to find some sort of reference points so when you set up tomorrow you can get the spacing exactly right. DIN is the safest bet for the C4s and you can adjust the angle slightly to accomodate the room.

A typical AKG t-bar is about 20cm long.  and you can postition your shockmounts easily with that bar. 

To get a 90 degree angle for Xy or DIN, either eye it or if you're really anal, whip out a dollar bill and line it up with the corners.

Good luck with your first show.  You're definitely alot more prepared than I was!

[Krispy D]

awsome dude thanks so much i think im ganna go with the DIN but where do u measure the 20cm from? and any tips on getting the angles right? i was thinking a cardboard template

Measure from the caps.  Bring a protractor and a ruler then see everyone laugh at you (no seriously, I've had it happen).  Anything to get that mic config right!

they'll only laught till they start begging for smoking tapes!

[rowjimmytour]

I measured the 20cm on my mics and then I marked the outline on my AKG bar and used permant marker to outline the bar. Good luck and for heavens sake Enjoy your self.
Peace

[Geoff16Fryer]

Thanks guys im packin up my gear now and getting ready to head out thanks for all the input and hopefully i have learned from all the mistakes ive read about on this website. I think im g/f's a lil jealous cause i dont get this excited when we go out haha but damn am i excited to finally go to a show to tape. ill let u guys know how it goes (crosses fingers that everything goes well)

[terrapinj]

Thanks guys im packin up my gear now and getting ready to head out thanks for all the input and hopefully i have learned from all the mistakes ive read about on this website. I think im g/f's a lil jealous cause i dont get this excited when we go out haha but damn am i excited to finally go to a show to tape. ill let u guys know how it goes (crosses fingers that everything goes well)

few last minute essentials - duct tape, flashlight, pen & paper (write down notes on location orientation, band contacts etc.)

Have Fun!!!!!