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DPA Wide Cardioid (4026/7) As Primary Mics?
« on: June 15, 2006, 12:35:15 PM »
Thinking of buying a set of 4027's used, but I have never really had any experience with wide cardioids.

What characteristics will I notice versus the regular DPA cards?

I record mostly FOB in theaters/arenas/sheds.  Would I be happy with these mics as my main stereo pair?
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Re: DPA Wide Cardioid (4026/7) As Primary Mics?
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2006, 01:04:37 PM »
I've run omnis a lot on-stage lately, but before that I'd used my MK21 subcards quite a lot.  I think the answer to your question is:  it depends on whether or not the venues and locations in the venues from which you record are generally good sounding and generally not too chatty.  If so, I think they'd work well as a primary stereo pair.  Of course, the sub/wide-cards also sound great on-stage.

Listen to your past recordings a lot and be brutally honest with yourself as you ask:  how do I find my current recordings in my typical venues when using cards (Oktava MC012 and CK31)?  omnis (4061s)?

If you're generally happy with your omni recordings, you'll likely enjoy the wide cards because they offer a bit of directionality and rejection while maintaining that open, natural sound.  If you're generally unhappy with your omni recordings, then you probably won't dig the widecards in the same situations due to their similar very open, natural characteristics.

If you're very happy with your card recordings, the wide cards will probably do the trick because they'll simply open up a bit the already great sound.  But if you're not terribly pleased with the card recordings, the wide cards' more open pattern might very well accentuate aspects you don't like - crappy venue acoustics, chatty crowd, etc.

And if you have the MC012 hypers, and find yourself breaking them out a lot, that's a good sign that the wide cards may not satisfy you as your primary pair.

I know, not much of an answer, and all fairly obvious, but...that's my take.  There is no definitive answer, of course.
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Re: DPA Wide Cardioid (4026/7) As Primary Mics?
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2006, 01:14:08 PM »
good thoughts, Brian. Thanks.

Im very happy with my card recordings; have never run hypercards.

I think I may just take the plunge on these. If I find Im not happy, I always have the CK31s handy and shouldnt have much problem selling the 4027s.

I should add that alot of my recordings are 'under the hat.'  Would nearby talkers be significantly more present on the wide card vs card tapes, would you say?



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Re: DPA Wide Cardioid (4026/7) As Primary Mics?
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2006, 01:29:42 PM »
youd get more nearby talkers with wide card than with Cardiod. Wide cards are a good comprimise between omni and cardiod, but I personally wouldnt aim for them in a club/pa enviroment... Id say you are better off with a more directional mic(card or hypercard)

Hypers are better for rejection than cardiod....the key is finding a GOOD hyper..the Gefell and Schoeps are great to my ears.
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Re: DPA Wide Cardioid (4026/7) As Primary Mics?
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2006, 01:33:55 PM »
Right, I know I would, but how much more?   

Lets say if talker-level on tape was 1 for cardioid, and 10 for omni. Where would the wide card fit in on that scale? :)

I usually have blockers, so talkers arent an issue with me at all for cards, really. If the wide cards only bring them out in the tape a bit, Id be fine.
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Re: DPA Wide Cardioid (4026/7) As Primary Mics?
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2006, 01:37:11 PM »
I dont know..but lets look at the patterns..

wide card

omni

card


as you can see , youd definitely pick up more signal from every direction...not just the sound source.

Right, I know I would, but how much more?   

Lets say if talker-level on tape was 1 for cardioid, and 10 for omni. Where would the wide card fit in on that scale? :)

I usually have blockers, so talkers arent an issue with me at all for cards, really. If the wide cards only bring them out in the tape a bit, Id be fine.

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Re: DPA Wide Cardioid (4026/7) As Primary Mics?
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2006, 07:49:45 PM »
I've had my 4027s for about a year and a half and I probably use them 2:1 over my 4022s.  The 4022s will always have a place in my gear bag but I always try to tape FOB/on-stage/etc. whenever possible and the subcards just sound better to my ears when used in those applications.  If I could only keep one pair it would be extremely difficult to give up the 4027s...
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Re: DPA Wide Cardioid (4026/7) As Primary Mics?
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2006, 08:13:54 PM »

What characteristics will I notice versus the regular DPA cards?


I would think the low end on the subcards would be more extended than on the cardioids. To my ears the 4022's are balanced a hair on the bright side, nice for rock and PA amplified shows that tend to be a bit boomy/bassy, a little thin on classical and unamplified instruments.
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