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Offline shadowfax1007

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Help with my set up
« on: May 28, 2007, 07:15:42 AM »
Hello,

I have recently purchased a Sharp MD-MS701H and I plan to start recording concerts, but I have a few questions regarding my set up.

1) What exactly is a Pre-Amp and will I need one?

2) If I plug a Sony ECM-DS70P Mic into my Sharp MD-MS701H, will that give me decent quality sound recording, or will I need a pre-amp?

3) If I do need a pre-amp, will this one do?http://cgi.ebay.com.au/LINE-IN-MICROPHONE-MP3-MINIDISC-w-PREAMPLIFIER-AU_W0QQitemZ260087749812QQcategoryZ15198QQcmdZViewItem#mp3

Im completely new to this whole recording thing.
But my main goal is to do a good quality recording in a large, loud venue.
My budget is low, so Im not expecting brilliant results with my equipment, but I just want a decent quality show that I can listen to.
I particularly want to record Linkin Park when they tour Australia.
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Re: Help with my set up
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2007, 10:59:40 AM »
Not to sound blunt, but what you need isn't a pre-amp but a new mic  ;D   That sony mic is just awfull. If it's all you got and no budget, then you got to just live with it and try to get rest right as in micplacement and such. No need for a pre-amp / batterybox for that mic. Just plug it in your MD use MIC-in and pray for not-overloading the mic. These mics brickwall quite easy (soundpressure-overload).

btw Linkinpark is LOUD, I'd suggest enjoying the show and check dime-a-dozen and such for recordings afterwards. You're gonna have to invest at least a hundred dollar to get mics (and perhaps a baterybox) that can stand sounpressures that high. The problem isn't the internal preamp of your MD overloading, it's the mics themselves.

Good luck anyway, don't let my advice make you steer away from a new hobby though. I know I screwed up some top notch shows. Live and learn  :'(
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Re: Help with my set up
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2007, 12:55:44 PM »
check out Church Audio on this forum - you will find a sweet deal on mics/preamps from him
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Re: Help with my set up
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2007, 01:08:22 PM »
I used that same mic on my first taping, a patty griffin concert here in indianapolis, and they got hot at her show, only on the last song though, the rest of the recording turned out very well, i would be concerned about a linkin park show, just gonna have to keep the mic level low and hope for the best. 
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Re: Help with my set up
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2007, 01:29:14 PM »
Yes, get a new mic  :)

Definately check out Church Audio, you won't be disappointed...
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Re: Help with my set up
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2007, 01:32:30 PM »
Quote from: paulbaptiste on May 28, 2007, 01:08:22 PM
I used that same mic on my first taping, a patty griffin concert here in indianapolis, and they got hot at her show, only on the last song though, the rest of the recording turned out very well, i would be concerned about a linkin park show, just gonna have to keep the mic level low and hope for the best. 

So what mics are you using now then  ;D  Would you advise the same road to the OP? I'd say skip it, enjoy the show or buy better mics..
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Re: Help with my set up
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2007, 01:41:20 PM »
OTOH, go to the show, record it as best you can.  You will get the experience, learn the limitations of you mic and can always save it as your "first" attempt.  I still have mine and while it is not good, the band was great and I enjoy listening to them now and again.  But most of all, have fun!     8)
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Re: Help with my set up
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2007, 01:59:29 PM »


So what mics are you using now then  ;D  Would you advise the same road to the OP? I'd say skip it, enjoy the show or buy better mics..
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I will be using cardiod stereo mics (unidirectional) from Giant Squid Audio, but the bastards aren't here in time, i got a show tommorow (damien rice) and no mics, i posted on the loaner program forum to see if i could get some help
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Re: Help with my set up
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2007, 09:31:03 PM »
It may not be in your budget at the moment, but better mics and a preamp would do you well.  Talk to Chris Church on this board.  You will hear many people here speak highly of him and his equipment.  They are not lying.  I don't own his mics yet, but I have hear numerous samples recorded with his $120 mics that sound as good or better than mics that cost MUCH more.
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Re: Help with my set up
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2007, 05:12:37 AM »
Ok, thanks for your advice.
I looked at some of Church's mic's, and I plan on buying some.

My question is though, I heard its better to run Mic's to the Line In when recording really loud concerts.
So I will need a Power Box to power my mics, which is fine, I can build one for 10 bucks.
But will I need a pre-amp??
What exactly is it?
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Re: Help with my set up
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2007, 05:15:20 AM »
A batterybox would be just fine, no pre-amp needed. I'll let someone more knowledgeable take the lead on explaining the pre-amp :) A batterybox is for powering your mics to get better / more dynamics and less overloading / brickwalling. Just what you need :)
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