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Schoeps windscreen options
« on: March 05, 2008, 09:18:42 AM »
I am looking to get a set of windscreens for my mk4 nbox setup. it seems like there are two schoeps options for indoors: B-5 and B-5D. the schoeps website says the B-5's are intended for omni caps, while the B-5D's are intended for cards, super, and sub's. judging by the pictures it looks like they can be used interchangably. plus the B-5D is significantly more expensive. i guess this is b/c it has an internal 'membrane' for better noise reduction.

so thoughts?

i'm also trying to find a good solution for outdoor situations too.

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Re: Schoeps windscreen options
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2008, 09:26:58 AM »
I use Schoeps B5D's indoors and light wind outdoors, and Shure a81ws's outside in anything over a light breeze.
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Re: Schoeps windscreen options
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2008, 10:20:12 AM »
FWIW, I use the B5's indoors and the Shure A81WS outdoors.  If you have the cash, it's probably tough to beat some of the Rycote gear for outdoors - baby ball gag, etc.
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Re: Schoeps windscreen options
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2008, 10:45:13 AM »
FWIW, I use the B5's indoors and the Shure A81WS outdoors.  If you have the cash, it's probably tough to beat some of the Rycote gear for outdoors - baby ball gag, etc.

thanks for the replys guys. i have a set of shure A81WS screens for the AKG's i run and they are deep. the windscreen practically fits 1/4 of the way down the 480 body. i'm surprised they fit well with the tiny schoep caps.

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Re: Schoeps windscreen options
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2008, 10:47:13 AM »
i suppose i'll chime in here...i use the B5Ds indoors. i just like the way the internal basket slides over and fits snugly around the mic. for outdoors i use the W5Ds which have the same internal basket and then i use the windtech mm-22 "mic muff" over the W5Ds for real windy situations.
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Re: Schoeps windscreen options
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2008, 01:21:48 PM »
i suppose i'll chime in here...i use the B5Ds indoors. i just like the way the internal basket slides over and fits snugly around the mic. for outdoors i use the W5Ds which have the same internal basket and then i use the windtech mm-22 "mic muff" over the W5Ds for real windy situations.

i used the b5d's everywhere, it seals the capsule and 'prevents' possible moisture damage.  much better, IMO for outdoors, excluding the rycotte

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Re: Schoeps windscreen options
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2008, 01:27:16 PM »
i suppose i'll chime in here...i use the B5Ds indoors. i just like the way the internal basket slides over and fits snugly around the mic. for outdoors i use the W5Ds which have the same internal basket and then i use the windtech mm-22 "mic muff" over the W5Ds for real windy situations.

i used the b5d's everywhere, it seals the capsule and 'prevents' possible moisture damage.  much better, IMO for outdoors, excluding the rycotte

so i guess that explains the higher price compared to the B-5. i called B&H earlier and was gonna pick up a pair, but they only had one in stock. grrr.....


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Re: Schoeps windscreen options
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2008, 01:42:39 PM »
i used the b5d's everywhere, it seals the capsule and 'prevents' possible moisture damage.

Really?  There's an actual seal or membrane of some type that prevents moisture from passing through the windscreen and reaching the mic itself?  Like, in especially high humidity, or if it rains?

I thought the D version simply provided a plastic cage of sorts that ensures a cavity of open air around the capsule, between it and the foam.  I can achieve the same effect with my B5s - at least relative to the front of the mic - by simply pushing it all the way on, and then backing it off a bit.  Maybe the B5D adds an air cavity around the cap, as well as in front.

Hmmmm...I suspect DSatz may chime in eventually with details about the differences between the two screens.  Hoping...
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Re: Schoeps windscreen options
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2008, 07:23:59 PM »
I've used the same pair of B5D windscreens for close to 7 years now and I love them. Skalinder is right, there is a small pocket in front of the capsule and it seems like some air around the vents, but I can't really tell. I've used these in all kinds of outdoor situations and the only place I've noticed wind rumbling was from Red Rocks under some pretty harsh wind conditions.

I say splurge for the B5D's if you can.
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Re: Schoeps windscreen options
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2008, 11:58:53 PM »
If you'll forgive the low-res graphics, attached below is a page from the new version of the Schoeps catalog, showing the different types of wind and pop screens. Pop screens are for close pickup of speech or singing; they give some protection from wind, too, but aren't designed for that purpose, so let's just talk about the windscreens.

Among the foam windscreens, the B 5 and B 5 D are the small "teardrop"-shaped models, while the W 5 and W 5 D are spherical and a bit larger. The B 5 and W 5 are simply die-cut from open-pore foam, and are recommended only for omni capsules; pressure transducers have relatively low sensitivity to most wind and rarely need very much protection. Of the two models (B 5 and W 5), the simple sphere gives about 10 dB greater reduction of wind noise on an omni microphone than the simple teardrop. The effect on sound quality is restricted to the highest frequencies, and is a matter of just a couple dB at the very top of the audio range--not a terrible price to pay for a usable recording as opposed to an unusable one.

The B 5 D and W 5 D are more elaborately made, and are correspondingly more expensive but when used on directional capsules or microphones, also far more effective than their simpler counterparts. All in all the W 5 D is about 26 dB (!) better than the B 5 simple foam teardrop. The principle involved here is that a volume of air is trapped around the capsule, including both the front and rear sound inlets. This prevents the wind from affecting the front and rear of the microphone's membrane in a different way from each other--which would be registered as signal, since that's how directional capsules work. With omnidirectional capsules or microphones, which have a sound inlet only in the front, the improvement from this design approach is only about 2 dB--hardly worth the extra cost.

For recording in even higher wind, there are windscreens made by building a skeletal plastic basket around the capsule and then stretching layers of nylon fabric across this skeleton, one on the outside and one on the inside. This would include the W 20, for example. A fur-like covering can be added on top of that, making it the "W 20 R 1"--even more effective for directional microphones.

You can go even farther with even larger windscreens such as the "BBG" (evidently not meaning "B'nai B'rith Girls" when it comes from Schoeps) which keep the wind even farther away from the capsule, but I wonder whether anyone here is taping concerts under conditions that would require those.

One of these days or months, Schoeps will get around to posting PDFs of Catalog 6 on their Web site for free downloading. It has detailed listings of how well each windscreen type suppresses wind noise for omni microphones, for directional microphones (using the MK 41 as the example), and for the CMIT 5 shotgun. The version that's up there now (Catalog 5) also has a fair amount of this information, starting on page 110.

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Re: Schoeps windscreen options
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2008, 04:59:54 PM »
Can anyone compare the A81WS vs the W5D ?

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