Topic: Recording classical piano

[WiFiJeff]

HRTF baffled omni is the ONLY configuration giving natural and consistant recored results.

While I am a great fan of baffled omnis, I might have mildly objected to this in the past as a bit too doctrinaire.  Since last Friday, however, I don't even think it is true.  Josephson C700S using only X and Y channels in Blumlein.  I doubt I'll ever use anything else on piano (I've used Jecklin disks and Guy's LiteGuy baffle with Schoeps MK2S, Josephson C617s, Sanken CO 100K, DPA etc. omnis).

Jeff

[dlh]

HRTF baffled omni is the ONLY configuration giving natural and consistant recored results.

Josephson C700S using only X and Y channels in Blumlein. 
Jeff

Oh my!  I'd love to hear that!
I've dreamed of owning a Josephson; maybe a second mortgage.

[guysonic]

HRTF baffled omni is the ONLY configuration giving natural and consistant recored results.

While I am a great fan of baffled omnis, I might have mildly objected to this in the past as a bit too doctrinaire.  Since last Friday, however, I don't even think it is true.  Josephson C700S using only X and Y channels in Blumlein.  I doubt I'll ever use anything else on piano (I've used Jecklin disks and Guy's LiteGuy baffle with Schoeps MK2S, Josephson C617s, Sanken CO 100K, DPA etc. omnis).

Jeff

Greetings everybody,

Jeff knows better, but continues to post his complaints with the LiteGUY baffle.  He has been advised that the LietGUY is ONLY sold as a system of HRTF baffle AND DSM mic that ALWAYS satisfies as a system of Baffle and DSM mic.   

Changing anything produces dissatisfying results.  Below is Jeff’s first reply after trying the SYSTEM as it was intended to work!!!


In a message dated 05/13/2006 8:17:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jff@ix.netcom.com writes:
Holy shit, Leonard.  Holy shit.  Holy shit.

The LiteGuy baffle arrived Thursday, and I took it out for a spin
yesterday.  I was taping a chamber music ensemble, lots of
different instruments in different arrangements with no time to
do any major repositioning between pieces, with xy cardioids
I would have had major balance issues.  I ran a set of
Josephson C617 bodies with Microtek Gefell caps, into a
Sound Devices 722 at 24/96.

None of the artifacts I heard with Jecklin disk or Schneider disk
recordings.  I'm totally thrilled.  When I first started taping five
years ago, I thought the LiteGuy was the funniest weirdest
thing I had seen, and was certain I'd never use THAT!  I'm
going to fluff it on taperssection, hope I don't lose too many
tickets!

Jeff

Jeffrey

[WiFiJeff]

??  You have posted one of the weirdest comments I have seen.

Please read what I wrote.  I was not posting "complaints" about the Lite Guy baffle.  I have certainly not "continued" posting complaints, in fact I identified myself as a great fan of baffled omnis, as you quote but seem not to understand.  I was saying that the Josephson C700S is hands down the best microphone I know of for classical music recording, including piano.  I do most of my listening on headphones, and the stereo imaging of this mic is eerie compared to what I am used to, using a wide range of equipment, including yours.  A friend of mine auditions my stuff on a high-end system with $15,000+ speakers, he wrote of a string quartet recording "I'm really searching for words.  The old one had presence in spades and nice spread.  The new one (C700S) has presence on a completely different order of magnitude, if you can quantify that.  It's not only about depth and localization, I can feel the contours of their space with my hands.  You can follow different instruments not because of spread or localization (only).  It's something I can't define - ... I can tell them apart through something more real.  Also, they are not so much in front of me, but I am sitting in a space surrounding all of us.  There is just no way to convey this." 

My enthusiasm for your mics and baffle FIVE YEARS AGO was real, I still like them but I have found what I think is better (it is also admittedly frightfully more expensive).  YMMV, but that's what my ears say and so do other folks I've shared with.  What about this constitutes a "complaint"??

Jeff

[newplanet7]

FIRST OFF
I do believe we are not supposed to post PM's or e-mails on this forum.
SECOND
I don't think what jeff wrote was at all a slant on YOUR baffle. Matter of fact, the only thing he said about it was that he's used it in the past on piano. He looks as if he was merely stating that he is psyched with his results using his NEW C700S and was getting sick results, IE natural and consistent, and was stating that baffled omnis were not the only way to achieve that.

Just because he got what he considers great results without using HRTF baffled omni in no way even remotely ties together with him complaining about your product. In the beginning he actually said if it weren't for his new experience, he would be just about in agreeing with you.
YOU are stating it's the ONLY way, he is stating it's not.
Am I reading that right Jeff?

[WiFiJeff]

Am I reading that right Jeff?

Absolutely.  70% of the recording I do is head baffled omnis, the C700S is not exactly low profile.

Jeff