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hey guys,

I sure this was discussed in different threads several times but this is for collecting experiences AGAIN.
I own a Tascam DR2d and I like to do best quality fied recordings, means atmospheres, natur, cityscape, ...
What is the smallest and best quality, low-noise allround setup included battery box, preamp, windjammer, mics, mini stands and holders for the mics, etc ...that fits in a jacket. This request can be also extended with any small size 4-channel recorder to record a 4-channel surroundlike soundscapes. Lets say: budget is neary not limited.
Thank you for your input.
cheers
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Re: REQ: stealth (smallest) field recording setup HQ with Tascam DR2d
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2012, 06:58:07 AM »
2xNaiant tinybox
2xSchoeps KCY cable
2xSchoeps microphone capsules of your choice
1 attenuator cable for the hotter input of the DR2D (DR2D owners chime in here...?)
4xSchoeps B5D
4x"Dead Rats" or "Dead muppets" (see Tbrown's Yard Sale post on these, or go to windtech.com for the ones matched to the B5D)

stand...
Use the Manfrotto base (model # escapes me and I've got to run) + the Manfrotto 099B extension arm.

Can't get much smaller than that.

OR, just get a single Coresound Tetramic or Soundfield SPS200 and some kind of 4-channel small pre.  I don't run either of these products, but others here do.  The 4-channel pre to power that might be the tricky part, since if the channels aren't matched perfectly it might not work quite right. But, other than the pre, it'd be super-small.  You could possibly run one of those off of 2xP48 Tinyboxes (still in design stage).
Mics: Schoeps MK4V, MK41V, MK5, MK22> CMC6, KCY 250/5, KC5, NBob; MBHO MBP603/KA200N, AT 3031, DPA 4061 w/ d:vice, Naiant X-X, AT 853c, shotgun, Nak300
Pres/Power: Aerco MP2, tinybox v2  [KCY], CA-UBB
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Re: REQ: stealth (smallest) field recording setup HQ with Tascam DR2d
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2012, 10:20:32 AM »
In the scenario above, you would need 4 schoeps capsules, not 2.

Also best is pretty subjective. The DPA 4061 (omni) are well liked, very small and pair well with the MPS6030 preamp for what you are describing. The now discontinued 4021 series (card) are a bit bigger (around the size of Schoeps) and are also very well regarded.

I'm sure others will chime in suggesting compact setups from Sennheiser, Neumann, MBHO and Busman to name a few. Aside from the Busman offering however, the capsule + strain relief size+ capsule housing is bulkier than what Schoeps and DPA offers.
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Re: REQ: stealth (smallest) field recording setup HQ with Tascam DR2d
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2012, 10:35:30 AM »
Run a lot of stealth for nature and found the smallest size for me is DPA4021 -> naiant LB -> edirolR09 for 2 channel with balanced XLR inputs (LB).

Lots harder to run 4 channel stealth due to size increases and hard to keep "Steath" - so I generally don't and would just try and run a bigger rig for 4 channels and up.

PS:  One thing to think about is mic conf's (XY, ORFT, DIN etc.) due to hard to make a stereo image correctly with keeping everything invisible from the animals so we don't scare them away...LOL! Not easy to conceal 2 sets of mics in the correct stereo configs and hide them for the creatures.
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Re: REQ: stealth (smallest) field recording setup HQ with Tascam DR2d
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2012, 11:27:06 AM »
In the scenario above, you would need 4 schoeps capsules, not 2.

Also best is pretty subjective. The DPA 4061 (omni) are well liked, very small and pair well with the MPS6030 preamp for what you are describing. The now discontinued 4021 series (card) are a bit bigger (around the size of Schoeps) and are also very well regarded.

I'm sure others will chime in suggesting compact setups from Sennheiser, Neumann, MBHO and Busman to name a few. Aside from the Busman offering however, the capsule + strain relief size+ capsule housing is bulkier than what Schoeps and DPA offers.

Sorry, I mean 2x stereo pairs of caps, obviously.   

DPA 406x would certainly be an option and of course so would the DPA compact series.  I mostly didn't recommend the 406x because they aren't as tip-top quality as the Schoeps or the larger DPAs, and the DPA compact series as yet cannot be powered by as small of a preamp as the Schoeps.
Mics: Schoeps MK4V, MK41V, MK5, MK22> CMC6, KCY 250/5, KC5, NBob; MBHO MBP603/KA200N, AT 3031, DPA 4061 w/ d:vice, Naiant X-X, AT 853c, shotgun, Nak300
Pres/Power: Aerco MP2, tinybox v2  [KCY], CA-UBB
Decks: Sound Devices MixPre 6, Zoom F8, M10, D50

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Re: REQ: stealth (smallest) field recording setup HQ with Tascam DR2d
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2012, 01:02:39 PM »
I regularly record four channel surround with the DR2d using 4 x DPA 4060 miniature omnis into 2 x Church CA-UGLY preamps (0-20dB gain, each the size of a 9V battery holder).  This is the smallest, reasonably-high quality 4 channel surround setup I am aware of.  It fits in one or two front pants pockets easily.  I store the entire recording rig in a small shaving kit bag along with extra media, batteries, and other gear.

If you wear the mics you can position them so that your body effectively acts as a baffle, with outstanding results as long as you position yourself well and remain still during the recording.  The quality of this system is more than satisfactory to my ears and playback system, and I'm rather critical of sound quality. 

You can add a stand and telescopic arms for a surround Decca-Tree-like setup that trades the baffling for additional spacing between mics and frees you from wearing them, offering obvious advantages for many situations, yet I still prefer the simple baffled technique on purely sonic grounds when it is appropriate.  Details on a few variations on that idea are documented in a long thread first here: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=96009.msg1517359#msg1517359, and later here: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=96009.msg1713305#msg1713305. Below are a few photos of that arrangement, with sphere attachments for the 4060 and the recording gear in the small shaving kit bag attached at the base of the stand-








I also use a Coresound Tetramic, and have thought about ways to use it with the DR2d which has potential for an equally small system, but doing so without it's bulky phantom power adapters would require a custom-built powering box at least, or preferably a preamp with a single variable gain control for all four channels to keep gains identical (accurate gain matching between channels is critical with any ambisonic mic).  The Soundfield SPS2000 requires phantom power to operate, so it doesn’t need the adapters, but also has less potential for a super small recording package using a non-phantom providing recorder like the DR2d. Both systems are fascinating and powerful, and can record full sphere 3-D sound fields, but are much 'techier' and require comfort with ambisonics and the postproduction workflow.  I use the Tetramic with the adapters into recorders that provide phantom power for all four channels, and preferably gain linking between channels.  The smallest rig I use for it is an Edirol R-44 plus a similar sized if slightly smaller package of the four phantom adapters gaff taped together (no gain linking on the R44) or a Tascam DR-680 with the same phantom package (with gain linking). 

I've not measured them, but self noise levels for the DPA 4060 system and the Tetramic are probably comparable- I find them fine for quiet acoustic music and many ambiences, but may be excessive for very quiet ambience and nature recordings.  The 4060 is more sensitive, has less self-noise and more dynamic range than the 4061, and is better suited to quieter recording situations.  4061 performance is similar with amplified music.
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Re: REQ: stealth (smallest) field recording setup HQ with Tascam DR2d
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2012, 01:24:12 PM »
If budget is truly unlimited and smallness is critical, you may consider trading the DR2d for a SONOSAX MINIR82.  Not cheap, but super small and can provide phantom power for at least 2 of its 4 analog input channels (I think) via binder clips.  It also has 8 digital input channels.  I've never used one. 

Two Niant tinyboxes and the DR2d are probably the most practical smallest solution for powering four phantom powered mics, and also less expensive.
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