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Which is which?

#1 is nbox > DR-2D
#2 is nbox > DR-2D
Not sure

Voting closed: November 03, 2018, 12:47:17 AM

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Offline checht

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Comparison: mk4's > nbox platinum > DR-2D vs mk4's > PFA > mp-3
« on: October 27, 2018, 12:47:17 AM »
At Hardly Strictly Bluegrass this month, recorded sitting next to a friend and thought it would be interesting to compare our recording chain, as we were both running mk4's with active cables.

The two setups, not in any particular order:
mk4's > nbob kcy > nbox platinum > DR-2D
mk4's > KCY 250/0 lg > Naiant PFA 60v > MP-3

We were sitting side by side, mics at same height  >:D. Did my best to match the gains; if anyone can get it closer, that'd be helpful.

The 2 stereo waves, along with Audacity project files with both stereo waves, in this folder:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/9bkaklgwozhnkb4/AADHqWl913ez2rK95XInmw7da?dl=0

Interested in whether folks can pick out which is which, and what differences are heard..
« Last Edit: October 27, 2018, 01:09:18 AM by checht »
MK41s, MK22s; Vanguard V1s matched pair
Schoeps kcy5, nbob actives
Naiant PFA 60v, PFA 48v, IPA
Sound Devices MP-6II; Sony PCM-A10

Recordings at LMA

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Re: Comparison: mk4's > nbox platinum > DR-2D vs mk4's > PFA > mp-3
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2018, 03:17:01 AM »
My guess is that #1 is Nbox Platinum. That sample sounds natural and sample #2 is a bit hotter. Both sounds great, just different characteristics.

I have personally never used Platinum with MK4 but I have used it with MK41V and AKG 61/63. So, my guess is just a guess. :)
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Re: Comparison: mk4's > nbox platinum > DR-2D vs mk4's > PFA > mp-3
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2018, 03:52:24 PM »
Wow the differences are pretty noticable here. I preferred tommy comp2. I found the soundstage wider; low end and mid range more present. The differences could be due to mic placement? Eg., was tommy comp1 in XY and tommy comp2 in DIN?

Playback: PC > Foobar (ABX Comparator plugin) > USB > Sound Devices USBPre2 > Yuin OK1 Headphones

I would guess that tommy comp2 is the nbox based on the fact that the transformers are supposed to smoothen the sound.


Quote from: checht on October 27, 2018, 12:47:17 AM
At Hardly Strictly Bluegrass this month, recorded sitting next to a friend and thought it would be interesting to compare our recording chain, as we were both running mk4's with active cables.

The two setups, not in any particular order:
mk4's > nbob kcy > nbox platinum > DR-2D
mk4's > KCY 250/0 lg > Naiant PFA 60v > MP-3

We were sitting side by side, mics at same height  >:D. Did my best to match the gains; if anyone can get it closer, that'd be helpful.

The 2 stereo waves, along with Audacity project files with both stereo waves, in this folder:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/9bkaklgwozhnkb4/AADHqWl913ez2rK95XInmw7da?dl=0

Interested in whether folks can pick out which is which, and what differences are heard..
Mics: B&K 4011, Schoeps MK5 (Nbobs, Naiant PFA), Busman BSC-1 (K11/K21/K31/K41 caps), Church CA-14 (o, c), Church CAFS, Core Sound Binaurals
Pre: EAA PSP-2,  Lunatec V3, Nbox-Platinum, Church CA-9200
ADC: Mytek 192 ADC, Oade Mod SBM-1
Rec: Oade Supermod PMD-661, Tascam DR60D, M-Audio MicroTrack II, Korg MR-1 (32GB SSD mod); Sony PCM-M10, Edirol R09HR; iRiver HP-120
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Re: Comparison: mk4's > nbox platinum > DR-2D vs mk4's > PFA > mp-3
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2018, 11:26:00 AM »
My guess is comp 1 is the nBox Platinum and comp 2 is the PFA/MP3 showing off what the MP3 can do.  Personally, while comp 2 seems to have more of a soundstage, as Tedyun pointed out, I actually prefer the sound of comp 1 which seems flatter and more natural.

Curious to see which is which. I've voted.
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Re: Comparison: mk4's > nbox platinum > DR-2D vs mk4's > PFA > mp-3
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2018, 02:31:45 PM »
Comp 1 is the PFA  > MP3 signal path.

Very interesting to read the various comments, thanks for your input.

Going to 3 CRB shows @ the Fillmore in December, and could probably borrow a couple other sets of caps to use while in SF.
Thinking to do three comparisons:
MSTC64 > MP6 vs mk4's (ORTF) > KCY 250/0 lg > Naiant PFA 60v > MP-6
and
MSTC64 > MP6 vs mk4v's (ORTF?) > KCY 250/0 lg > Naiant PFA 60v > MP-6
and
mk4's (ORTF) > KCY 250/0 lg > Naiant IPA > Roland R-09 vs mk4's > nbox platinum > DR-2D
MK41s, MK22s; Vanguard V1s matched pair
Schoeps kcy5, nbob actives
Naiant PFA 60v, PFA 48v, IPA
Sound Devices MP-6II; Sony PCM-A10

Recordings at LMA

 

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