Who runs MS and why ?

[todd e]

yeah, but my raleigh '03 (m/s) from the section are a great example of 'what not to do...'  as the wind really picked up that weekend.

wasn't there even a small tornado touchdown?  anyways, from as far as I was, there was no way to avoid the phasing issue.

[Tim]

Sorry I was just going by what I've heard on tapes. You can get some phasing, but deffinitely not like you would with cards/hypers. I would like to try the omni center channel on stage. I'll have to see if I can figure out how to get those 5 channels in post sometime.

look at the polar patterns of Fig8 and Omni.... I think you would just end up with a big mushy mess. Using a directional mic is the key.

[JasonR]

Sorry I was just going by what I've heard on tapes. You can get some phasing, but deffinitely not like you would with cards/hypers. I would like to try the omni center channel on stage. I'll have to see if I can figure out how to get those 5 channels in post sometime.

look at the polar patterns of Fig8 and Omni.... I think you would just end up with a big mushy mess. Using a directional mic is the key.

Mushy Mess - no.  What you end up with is along the lines of a pair of coincidently located Cardiods at 180 degrees (ie: one pointed left, one pointed right).  Perhaps not that useful for most of what we do, but not a mushy mess at all.

(Sorry for replying to a VERY old thread... just doing some searching and stumbled across this one...)

- Jason

[dr.ph0b]

Mushy Mess - no.  What you end up with is along the lines of a pair of coincidently located Cardiods at 180 degrees (ie: one pointed left, one pointed right).  Perhaps not that useful for most of what we do, but not a mushy mess at all.

(Sorry for replying to a VERY old thread... just doing some searching and stumbled across this one...)

- Jason

haha, likewise, ive been very out of touch lately.  i got an email noticification for another thread reply, and anything that says M/S will catch my eye   While I agree with you, that 'mushy mess' is not likely, I do prefer a cardiod for the mid mic. i think its just gives it that full, clean solid baseline, that you can then "color" with the figure8. especially in fob situations, where the cardiod is gonna grab everything coming off the stage.  i dont think its possible for a tape made any other way to stack up to a good M/S.  (especially when you can 'dial it in' to perfection _after_ the fact!)   

[JasonR]

What do you recommend for doing the M-S > Stereo?  I've seen a VST plugin that was free but looked pretty crappy when I tried it.  Something that shows width as a ratio would be nice and logical I would think.  I can do it 'live' with the 722, but that defeats a lot of the advantage of running M-S to begin with.

- Jason

[MattD]

Craig T recommended the Waves S1 Imager to me when I asked him. He uses that config more than anyone I know.

[kidtexas]

What do you recommend for doing the M-S > Stereo?  I've seen a VST plugin that was free but looked pretty crappy when I tried it.  Something that shows width as a ratio would be nice and logical I would think.  I can do it 'live' with the 722, but that defeats a lot of the advantage of running M-S to begin with.

You can always take LR back through an MS matrix and get MS.  Run it through the MS matrix again to get back to LR.  This is used in mixing/mastering as a way to adjust stereo mix.

Basically you could do it live in your 722, and if at a later point you were unhappy with it, you could re-MS it in post, fix, then convert it back to LR.

Obviously, if have the time to record it in MS and do it in post later, that is the best way to go.