Topic: Edirol R-09HR - Part TWO

[Arni99]

checking in (for the record)....I taped the other night for the first time with my compact rig - DPA 4061's > SP Batt.Box > R-09HR (line-in) with great results at about 25ft. from the stage taping three bands with levels from 65-72, so I guess with no preamp in front (except for the R-09's pre) and the 4061's you should get as close to the sound source as possible to get the best recording if your in the very far back 50ft. or more from stage you'll probably have to run the levels around max (80). This was rockabilly, indie rock, and bluegrass amplified.

I always run mic-in with battery box on the r09 with dpa4061 and get great results and 20db less gain needed from the internal preamp.
Mic-in is about 20db more sensitive than line-in.

[Craig T]

surprisingly good recording I did over the weekend using just the r09hr's internal mics (low gain, no HPF, no limiter).  quite an impressive little box. 
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,108922.0.html

[gmm6797]

FWIW, I have taped 3 shows already this week with the R09hr at different levels, and I do not see or hear any side effects of the deck itself.

When changing from the unity gain of 8 on the plain R09, I see see and hear differences.

Anyone else getting the same results as me?

[Dede2002]

FWIW, I have taped 3 shows already this week with the R09hr at different levels, and I do not see or hear any side effects of the deck itself.

When changing from the unity gain of 8 on the plain R09, I see see and hear differences.

Anyone else getting the same results as me?

Same thing here. I've taped at (very) different levels. Also I've been using my R-09HR with my CA-9100 at different levels, from 35 to 50. To my ears, no difference.

[jmz93]

FWIW, I have taped 3 shows already this week with the R09hr at different levels, and I do not see or hear any side effects of the deck itself.

When changing from the unity gain of 8 on the plain R09, I see see and hear differences.

Anyone else getting the same results as me?

Same thing here. I've taped at (very) different levels. Also I've been using my R-09HR with my CA-9100 at different levels, from 35 to 50. To my ears, no difference.

Do we know where unity gain is on the R9HR line in yet?  I know, it keeps coming up, but some of us are lazy and don't want to do our own measurements/guesses.  Is it just wherever the unit sets itself by default when new?

Getting my HR tomorrow... can't wait!

DPA 4061's, CA9100 preamp, R9HR!

[Dede2002]

FWIW, I have taped 3 shows already this week with the R09hr at different levels, and I do not see or hear any side effects of the deck itself.

When changing from the unity gain of 8 on the plain R09, I see see and hear differences.

Anyone else getting the same results as me?

Same thing here. I've taped at (very) different levels. Also I've been using my R-09HR with my CA-9100 at different levels, from 35 to 50. To my ears, no difference.

Do we know where unity gain is on the R9HR line in yet?  I know, it keeps coming up, but some of us are lazy and don't want to do our own measurements/guesses.  Is it just wherever the unit sets itself by default when new?

Getting my HR tomorrow... can't wait!

DPA 4061's, CA9100 preamp, R9HR!

Almost the same gear I own. Better mics though.
Well, the old unity discussion. Last word says something around 50 to 56. I've used the default (40) and even less (35). Great sounding no matter what.

[jobseek2001]

Do we know where unity gain is on the R9HR line in yet? 

This has been discussed int his thread, a few pages back. No measurements needed, just reading.

[Falconidave]

FWIW, I have taped 3 shows already this week with the R09hr at different levels, and I do not see or hear any side effects of the deck itself.

When changing from the unity gain of 8 on the plain R09, I see see and hear differences.

Anyone else getting the same results as me?

Same here, last 3 shows using the CA Ugly maxed at +20db.  The latest one, Steely Dan last night at Nokia in Texas.  Had the HR line-in input level at near 70, and sounds sweet!!  Check it out here: http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/showthread.php?t=63213

David

[digifish_music]

Just linking in a comparison of the R44, R09HR and R09 internal mic preamps with external mics...

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,109081.msg1456339.html#msg1456339

[jmz93]

Hi folks.

First, thanks David for that Steely Dan recording! Are there many showing up from this tour?

Well, my R9HR arrived. Like others here, I'm impressed with the lower noise and the more solid construction.  GREAT!

As a musician, I'll actually be using the internal mics plus AGC to do quick and dirty recordings of things like guitar lessons, practice sessions etc. where quality isn't an issue. So, I'm glad to see they got rid of that weird ziiip noise whenever the AGC adjusts the levels.

I'm not impressed with the variable speed playback, however.  I routinely slow parts of songs down, to figure out what notes are being played. Presumably, this feature was added for musicians like me.  Anyway, slowing things down echoes severely, making it practically unusable.  A plugin I have for Winamp does a better job, along with just about any application on the PC for slowing music down. 

Maybe there isn't enough processing power in the unit to accomplish this task properly ... any thoughts?

Taping some acoustic jazz up close on Sunday; small room, DPA's, CA preamp, probably 24 bit/88.2K.  Can't wait to hear the results!

[digifish_music]

I'm not impressed with the variable speed playback, however.  I routinely slow parts of songs down, to figure out what notes are being played. Presumably, this feature was added for musicians like me.  Anyway, slowing things down echoes severely, making it practically unusable. 

Agreed. The slow feature is useless

digifish

[Arni99]

The R09HR AGC and LIMITER do NOT prevent clipping as supposed to.
Test it by clapping your hands and you´ll see what I mean.

[digifish_music]

The R09HR AGC and LIMITER do NOT prevent clipping as supposed to.
Test it by clapping your hands and you´ll see what I mean.

No real-time limiter on a recording device can predict the future, so some transients will get through

I am sure the second clap will be OK

digifish

[Arni99]

The R09HR AGC and LIMITER do NOT prevent clipping as supposed to.
Test it by clapping your hands and you´ll see what I mean.

No real-time limiter on a recording device can predict the future, so some transients will get through

I am sure the second clap will be OK

digifish

No, following claps also clipping, but IF used in a live concert setting, this might not be a problem as the overall level is lots higher with less dynamic-range and not just like at home in a silent room(where much gain is needed for the ambient sound and suddenly a clapping hand kicks in HAHA!).
I´ll definitely test AGC for a live concert which isn´t important for me.....next saturday.
3 bands playing at an outdoor show. Will tape the 3rd band with manual gain and the first 2 bands with AGC (won´t use the limiter as it produces evil-noise when changing levels while the limiter is ON).

[Carlos E. Martinez]

The R09HR AGC and LIMITER do NOT prevent clipping as supposed to.
Test it by clapping your hands and you´ll see what I mean.

If the gain chain is similar to the R44's, the limiter seems to be AFTER the input stage, which I don't think is where it should be.