Mounting Cards (Stealth)

[shadowfax1007]

Forget I asked.

[George]

pm sent.

[genesisoh]

Sent PM as well.

[shadowfax1007]

Thanks for the proper replies I got in PM's.

[palmbear1]

New to this forum and have been reading many subjects for the last month.
I went with the Sony PCM-M10 and SP-CMC-8 (c/o) set up. Thinking of adding a set of 853sc with abapters.
I have read alot about different card patterns. As per this topic I don't want to know how to stealth the mics.
I'm looking for information. Will a card or sub card work in an A B config? For me an A B would be easier then the other patterns to stealth. What pattern do people use when in stealth mode and using cards?

Thanks for any info

[su6oxone]

Will a card or sub card work in an A B config? For me an A B would be easier then the other patterns to stealth. What pattern do people use when in stealth mode and using cards?

I used A-B for awhile back in the day but found that the recordings sounded a bit 'flat' and 'hollow' and essentially mono since the A and B are not separated by very much distance.  I would recommend trying to get a bit of angle between the mics (I usually used 90 degrees) to get a richer, more full sounding recording.  Hopefully this helps without giving away any 'trade secrets'... 

[it-goes-to-eleven]

[hoppedup]

For all those people having trouble figuring out stealth, I can give a couple of hints on how to get your gear in and mount up:

Put a false bottom in your drool bucket and stash the gear in there. They will NEVER check there.

Get a bib and place the mics under that.

If the door guy questions the redundancy of the bucket and the bib, tell him you use the bucket for storage when the bib fills up so you don't have to miss any of the show.

I apologize if I've revealed too much on a public forum.

[Lil Kim Jong-Il]

Just for future reference, Warner Theater already knows about the drool bucket trick.

[Fried Chicken Boy]

And I've gotten popped using the bib technique at a few Live Nation venues.  Even using a pacifier as a diversionary tactic didn't help.

[achalsey]

So I don't stealth but actually did just google 'drool bucket' thinking it was some hat slang I didn't know about.  Didn't find anything except actual buckets for drool, so reread the post and realized I'm just an idiot (and obviously without kids).   

[palmbear1]

I used A-B for awhile back in the day but found that the recordings sounded a bit 'flat' and 'hollow' and essentially mono since the A and B are not separated by very much distance.  I would recommend trying to get a bit of angle between the mics (I usually used 90 degrees) to get a richer, more full sounding recording.  Hopefully this helps without giving away any 'trade secrets'... 

Thanks for the info, Depending how stealth I have to be, I will give the 90 degress a try with the cards, and if I have to go A-B I'll run the sub-cards that I just ordered.

For the folks with the drool bucket info, I hope your joking.

[su6oxone]

Thanks for the info, Depending how stealth I have to be, I will give the 90 degress a try with the cards, and if I have to go A-B I'll run the sub-cards that I just ordered.

No prob.  Here's one '007' (*wink, wink*) recording I did with the mics at 90 degrees (it says 'DIN' on the info but that's not quite true) about 7 cm apart (I'm estimating).  Aside from the wind rumble, the quality of the recording is pretty good.  Of course, it's an outdoor recording, which helps.

http://www.archive.org/details/llb2009-05-16.mk4.flac16

And here's another 007 recording (of the same band) that is A-B, also about 7 cm apart, and done in a kind of shed-like venue (roof but no walls, on a slope).  This is hardly a great comparison, with different venues, mics, etc., but it does give you perhaps a little sense of the difference.

http://www.archive.org/details/llb2008-08-12.km184.flac16

And here's a 007 recording (of a different artist) that is also A-B and about 7cm apart but done at an outdoor festival also, so kind of a better comparison perhaps.  It also sounds reasonably good, but lacks the 'full sounding' quality of the first recording. 

http://www.archive.org/details/jj2008-08-09.km184.flac16

[absnj]

And I've gotten popped using the bib technique at a few Live Nation venues.  Even using a pacifier as a diversionary tactic didn't help.

Then try a colosotmy bag... also good in case of metal detectors.

[BlindGuyEars]

I knew a girl who stealthily mounted a microphone once... she said it felt just like a Telefunken U47.