Topic: Sony D50 vs M10 line-in comp

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Thanks for all your input.

Although it doesn't seem to matter too much, I'll post which file is which recorder tomorrow. I'd be interested to know which had the better DC offset.

This is what I wrote down. RMS values on top (L/R), DC off set second:

B
RMS -28.88/-30.85
DC -194/Inf

A
RMS -28.85/-30.85
DC Inf/-198

I got different Avg RMS numbers and neither showed any dc offset. Hmmm... 

I used Izotope's RX

[ethan]

Can the D50 handle a +4dBu pro-level analog signal?

[Javier Cinakowski]

^yep, max input is more than 21dbu.(I think guysonic measured it at 26) 

I fed my M10 a max signal from my mixer (which is +24dbu) and I did not hear any distortion.

I think the ability to handle strong line levels is what sets the Sony PCM series apart from the competition...

[F.O.Bean]

^yep, max input is more than 21dbu.(I think guysonic measured it at 26) 

I fed my M10 a max signal from my mixer (which is +24dbu) and I did not hear any distortion.

I think the ability to handle strong line levels is what sets the Sony PCM series apart from the competition...

Awesome! I think damn near EVERYONE runs an M10 these days

[ethan]

Thanks! +T

going to to some SBD's on a trip to NOLA this weekend.

So is there a level not to go below on the level control like the old D8's?

[Javier Cinakowski]

Yep, don't go much below 2...

[F.O.Bean]

I leave my M10 at unity, which is at 4 on the wheel

[Javier Cinakowski]

4?

I mostly trust guysonics measurements at 6 on the dial for unity gain.   However, unlike the D50, the line-output is shared with the headphone output.  Perhaps that circuit might add a little bit of gain when set to line, so it may not be a true input/output unity measurement.  That said, 5 seems like a logical number to me being that it is the center of the dial! (it just happens to also be between the two figures mentioned here.)

I think it would be safe to say you can adjust your M10 between 4-6 on the dial without any concern of attenuation or gain noise...

[F.O.Bean]

Yeah, everyones unity is different Just do what we say

[Todd R]

If I'm understanding correctly, I don't think the question is about unity, it's about how hot of a signal the d50 can take before brick wall distortion.

I'd agree that as long as you don't need to go below 2 to keep from hitting 0dbFS, you'll be ok. have fun down in NOLA!