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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #285 on: October 10, 2014, 11:49:29 PM »
So the consensus was that if I'm never going to use the 1/4" jacks, then go for the bypass, which I think, means I will never use the 1/4 jacks.

Problem was, by doing the mod, I voided the warranty, and Doug discovered this after doing the mod.

It's ok. I tested the r44 and did a comparison when I had 2. Everyone should try that. The mod is the best $200 I could spend. (Well, actually $300 plus shipping, now.)
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #286 on: October 11, 2014, 12:48:01 AM »
I feel like the fact you were using different mic patterns might have had something to do with it as well.  Not  necessarily the case but it doesn't seem unlikely that more people preferred cards over the sub wide cards from back of the room.

i could see that.  i wish i had two sets of cards to comp, but i did my best.

either way... after extensive use, i really don't see the need for the V3.  the Oade CM R-44 is legit on it's own.
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #287 on: October 13, 2014, 01:22:54 PM »
So the consensus was that if I'm never going to use the 1/4" jacks, then go for the bypass, which I think, means I will never use the 1/4 jacks.

Problem was, by doing the mod, I voided the warranty, and Doug discovered this after doing the mod.

It's ok. I tested the r44 and did a comparison when I had 2. Everyone should try that. The mod is the best $200 I could spend. (Well, actually $300 plus shipping, now.)


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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #288 on: October 13, 2014, 07:25:52 PM »
Hasn't been his policy for years...he did the mod on my r44 and I did not purchase from him...I think he realized it was good for biz to adjust that policy
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #289 on: October 13, 2014, 07:29:22 PM »
sync'd two R-44's the other night.  when using the prerecord function, there was an instant 1.5 or 2 second difference in clocks. 

i turned the prerecord off both units and it was synced perfectly.

have not had a chance to check the files from separate records to see if there was drift or not.
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #290 on: October 13, 2014, 07:35:14 PM »
I think you have to buy modded Marantz gear direct from Doug.

Hasn't been his policy for years...he did the mod on my r44 and I did not purchase from him...I think he realized it was good for biz to adjust that policy
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #291 on: October 14, 2014, 08:36:19 AM »
I think you have to buy modded Marantz gear direct from Doug.

Hasn't been his policy for years...he did the mod on my r44 and I did not purchase from him...I think he realized it was good for biz to adjust that policy

I think he stopped that policy as well....this is from his website:


The following Upgrades are available for any Digital Recorders in good working order.
Please note, our upgrade voids the factory warranty.
If we did not sell the machine with an upgrade installed, we warranty only the parts we put in, not the entire machine.
Please contact Doug Oade via E-mail to obtain an RMA number as well as shipping and payment instructions.
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #292 on: October 24, 2014, 12:46:33 AM »
OKAY!  here's my experience with syncing two R-44's...

Master:  Brand new Oade CM R-44E (which had a much smaller but BRIGHTER screen... weird)... 

Slave:  ~Five year old Oade CM R-44.

Master had Rode mics + SBD.  Slave had dpa4023's.  Mics on same stand.  synced using a standard 1/8th inch stereo cable.  the only problem that i had was we had to turn off the pre record function.

after 3 hours and 55 minutes.  ZERO DRIFT!

none.  nothing.  zilch.  nada.

everything matched up perfectly. 

so, here is another testimony of a perfect sync.  ymmv.

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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #293 on: October 24, 2014, 05:35:38 AM »
OKAY!  here's my experience with syncing two R-44's....

......after 3 hours and 55 minutes.  ZERO DRIFT!

none.  nothing.  zilch.  nada.

everything matched up perfectly. 

so, here is another testimony of a perfect sync.  ymmv.

Thanks for the sanity check, justink.  I had a feeling that I wasn't the only one in the universe that can sync two r-44's.
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #294 on: October 24, 2014, 11:04:36 AM »
Maybe having pre-record turned on is the common problem with un-synced Master/Slave R44s. 

I don't remember much discussion about that, and most users around here would have that turned on most of the time by default.
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #295 on: October 24, 2014, 03:50:23 PM »
OKAY!  here's my experience with syncing two R-44's....

......after 3 hours and 55 minutes.  ZERO DRIFT!

none.  nothing.  zilch.  nada.

everything matched up perfectly. 

so, here is another testimony of a perfect sync.  ymmv.

Thanks for the sanity check, justink.  I had a feeling that I wasn't the only one in the universe that can sync two r-44's.

Yup. I recorded sound check with pre record on and noticed that the clocks were off. I turned pre record off for the main two sets and it was perfect. I think people having problems need to check their pre record settings, make sure they are off and try again.
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #296 on: October 24, 2014, 03:51:38 PM »
Maybe having pre-record turned on is the common problem with un-synced Master/Slave R44s. 

I don't remember much discussion about that, and most users around here would have that turned on most of the time by default.

Yup. I imagine that might get over looked a lot. It's worth trying out if you haven't had luck in the past.
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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #297 on: October 24, 2014, 05:26:14 PM »
OKAY!  here's my experience with syncing two R-44's....

......after 3 hours and 55 minutes.  ZERO DRIFT!

none.  nothing.  zilch.  nada.

everything matched up perfectly. 

so, here is another testimony of a perfect sync.  ymmv.

Thanks for the sanity check, justink.  I had a feeling that I wasn't the only one in the universe that can sync two r-44's.
If you were to dig back to 2009 you could find my posts about the clock syncing on the R-44's.  Per the Edirol(now Roland) techs the clocks are NOT sync'd with the 1/8" cable just the transport functions.  With that being said, it is possible that two units will run perfectly in sync, But it is pure chance.  JUst like the Yamaha CD burner I had that synced perfectly with my DR-680.  Just happened to work.  You just cannot count on the two units running in perfect sync, unless you use something like a USBPre-2 in the chain that allows external sync.  The subject has been kicked around and there are varing opinions but I tend to believe the guys at the factory when they told me that cable did not have anything to do with the clocks on the decks. 

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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #298 on: October 25, 2014, 08:31:15 AM »
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But it is pure chance.

But a chance that happens pretty often.  I forget whether anyone has tried monitoring that cable to check whether any signal passes all the time or only when a transport function is used.  But if the clock chips are the same, as would seem likely, you'd expect a pretty high order of consistency, and maybe that accounts for it.

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Re: edirol/roland r-44 (part five)
« Reply #299 on: October 25, 2014, 09:36:32 AM »
OKAY!  here's my experience with syncing two R-44's....

......after 3 hours and 55 minutes.  ZERO DRIFT!

none.  nothing.  zilch.  nada.

everything matched up perfectly. 

so, here is another testimony of a perfect sync.  ymmv.

Thanks for the sanity check, justink.  I had a feeling that I wasn't the only one in the universe that can sync two r-44's.
If you were to dig back to 2009 you could find my posts about the clock syncing on the R-44's.  Per the Edirol(now Roland) techs the clocks are NOT sync'd with the 1/8" cable just the transport functions.  With that being said, it is possible that two units will run perfectly in sync, But it is pure chance.  JUst like the Yamaha CD burner I had that synced perfectly with my DR-680.  Just happened to work.  You just cannot count on the two units running in perfect sync, unless you use something like a USBPre-2 in the chain that allows external sync.  The subject has been kicked around and there are varing opinions but I tend to believe the guys at the factory when they told me that cable did not have anything to do with the clocks on the decks.

I'll take magic over some stinkin' factory rep anyday, kirkd  :P :hmmm: :headphones: :wink2:

Seriously, the sync cable has three conductors.  We should find out what each of them is doing.
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