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fave cdr
« on: September 06, 2013, 01:51:14 PM »
I used to burn Fuji exclusively...curious what peoples faves are...just had a bunch of bad burns with Memorex...
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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2013, 02:57:41 PM »
people still listen to cds? :)

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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2013, 04:21:45 PM »
I saw that coming...lol
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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2013, 05:23:11 PM »
people still listen to cds? :)

I still listen to cassettes in one of my cars  ;), the other at least has a cd player (no aux input though).

After my stash of Fuji's ran out, I've had the best luck with Sony CDRs but even they are becoming more difficult to find.

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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2013, 07:04:59 PM »
Tayo Yuden is the only way to go but I haven't listened to a CDR since 2005

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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2013, 09:01:12 PM »
Tayo Yuden is the only way to go but I haven't listened to a CDR since 2005

Taiyo Yuden is/was the company that made the "Made in Japan" Fuji and Sony CDRs...  I don't think they do it anymore, I ahven't seen Japanese CDRs in a long time, at least in stores...

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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2013, 09:27:11 PM »
We need to dicuss transfers Terry.
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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2013, 09:32:50 PM »
Since I now use cds exclusively for sharing music with my luddite buddies, I'm buying the cheapest taiwanese disks that have a finished top surface that I can find locally (a while back I had some issues with truly generic silver-topped cds, so I superstitiously steer away from those).  That way, I can painlessly take 'em back if I have a bad batch. The 100 disk spindle of windata brand I'm using now has been successfully burning at maximum speed in both my pc's combo cd/dvd/blue ray drive and my mac superdrive and I have'nt been advised of any skipping/etc.

The japanese taiyo yudens I purchased for shn/flac storage and stored on their spindles in the late 90s/early 2000s, (before hdd storage became affordable) etc. are still holding up quite nicely . . .

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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2013, 10:36:58 PM »
I am in the process of moving and threw out all of my cds, dvds and dats last week.  It was a very weird feeling, but they were taking up so much space

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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2013, 10:39:45 PM »
Still plenty of quality options (Taiyo Yuden, MAM-A - AKA Mistui) at American Digital:
http://www.american-digital.com/

I think it's cool that they still have a record of my orders all the way back to 2000 when I was buying DATs.
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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2013, 10:51:18 PM »
I threw out all of my dats last week.

This makes me sad...

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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2013, 10:51:31 PM »
We need to dicuss transfers Terry.

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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2013, 10:54:06 PM »
I exclusively use Verbatim CDRs/DVDRs! I dont want to jinx myself, but Ive had great luck with them ;)
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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2013, 10:18:27 AM »
I buy Taiyo Yuden CDR and DVD-R from here - awesome prices on 100 packs.  Can't remember ever having a bad disc.  Look at "top sellers" on the right:
www.rima.com
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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2013, 11:08:30 AM »
Had at one time purchased Fuji's by the case load when I had a contact who worked for BASF/Fuji in N. NJ.  My favorite was the ceramic white faced BASF's That I would also get from BASF/Fuji direct, but they discontinued them. I would use these specifically to transfer my DAT's back in the day, of which had been deteriorating quite fast.  The days of D.I.C. Dat's (1996-97) and the intro of the Panasonic SV250...nightmare products! 

Worst CDR's I ever had and dumped due to errors would be HHB Gold and Maxell's.   

The only time I use CD's today are for the car, as I do not have an Aux jack. I have been seeing quite a few new radios these days that offer the SD and USB jacks.  The new Fiat 500L has the SD reader and Aux jack as a standard feature.

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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2013, 11:29:44 AM »
I buy Taiyo Yuden CDR and DVD-R from here - awesome prices on 100 packs.  Can't remember ever having a bad disc.  Look at "top sellers" on the right:
http://www.http://rima.com/

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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2016, 04:37:11 PM »
I buy Taiyo Yuden CDR and DVD-R from here - awesome prices on 100 packs.  Can't remember ever having a bad disc.  Look at "top sellers" on the right:
www.rima.com

Thanks for the Taiyo Yuden link!

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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2016, 12:12:16 PM »
Thanks for the Rima link. 
ordered enough cdrs to keep me going till the end.  (of time, of me, of music as we know it. )
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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2016, 11:40:15 AM »
You guys are still burning CDRs? For what purpose? Not trying to be a smart ass, I just don't see the purpose. The only thing I can think of would be for use in the car, but it seems a cheap FLAC player would be more cost and time effective. I moved over to HDs in 2009 and I felt I was a little late on that. I have a CDR archive in the basement I need to organize and search for rarities.
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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2016, 12:49:21 PM »
I still like cds for work and car playback, the two places I spend most of my time. Also all of my friends are technophobes so anything more advanced than a cd they have no clue.   
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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2017, 09:27:09 AM »
Not sure why this was coming up as a recent unread topic but as with everything look to where things are manufactured. 

For CD's I always try to buy made in Taiwan though would prefer Japan.  Since I only make them for giveaway or car players I opt for inexpensive and conveniently bought. 

Just like hard drives, but there look for made in Thailand.  Those are getting harder and harder to find these days since the Chinese are taking production over... 
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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2020, 12:19:43 AM »
In case this interests or reassures anyone, I'll report the following.

In the 1970s I did a large amount of documentary sound recording onto Dolby B cassettes. Later on, when recordable CDs became available, I spent $2000+ on an early Philips 2x (SCSI-based) recorder (an external component about the size of the system unit of a standard desktop computer) and started transferring those cassette recordings to digital. Blank CD-Rs at that time typically sold for around $25 apiece (these dollar amounts haven't been adjusted for inflation). In some cases, in addition to the audio CDs I also made data CDs containing the .wav files. In most cases, though, the only discs I'd made were audio CDs, because it was so time-consuming and expensive to make additional discs.

Years later when DVD-R drives became available, I bought one and started copying those CDs to DVD-Rs. For the CDs for which I hadn't saved the WAV files, I used Plextor (SCSI-based) CD drives to extract bit-accurate .wav files from them. Even after these DVD-R copies were made, I kept all the CDs, though, since I was afraid of losing any of the recorded content.

For many years these discs sat on my shelves. In the past few days I've started transferring all this material to a portable SSD.

I can report that the materials have held up VERY well. All the old discs have turned out to be readable. I've made binary file comparisons between ALL the source CDs and the DVDs that I copied from them 20 years ago; absolutely all the data has verified 100%. I'm talking about hundreds of CDs and dozens of DVDs--hundreds of GB of data.

Worst case, the Pioneer Blu-Ray drive that I'm using to read these discs has had to slow down occasionally to read some data (evidently retries are occurring at some low level). I've found that in most cases, if I carefully wipe the disc surface with a cloth, the same disc can then be read without the slowing down. Also, in such cases, before/after comparisons have shown that if a file on a data CD or DVD can be read successfully at all, the binary data that's received is the same, no matter how much extra work the drive had to go through in the process. (I always clear the PC's memory cache by putting a different disc into the drive in between the trials; the discs were definitely being re-read physically in these comparisons.)

In the intervening years I had made other, previous attempts to extract digital audio from some of the audio CDs, and had encountered read errors on a handful of them. These errors, however, cleared up on later attempts when a different DVD or BD-R drive was used. The drive that you use really matters to a considerable extent, particularly with digital audio extraction.

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P.S.: During this project it occurred to me that I might wear out my BD-R drive, and I started looking around for a backup. The model that I have (Pioneer BDR-208D) is no longer made, and most of what I'm seeing on the market now is "slim-line" portable stuff that isn't as fast or solid. Probably that stuff is being made for people trapped in the Apple universe, where optical drives are now available only as external USB devices, and there's a premium on the drive being USB-powered.

I eventually found an updated Pioneer model that looks like a good potential replacement, and I'll buy one just in case. A few Plextor drives still exist in the universe as well (which do a better job with CD-Rs and DVD-Rs than anything else I know of). But this is maybe something to think about--for those of us who have large collections of material on CD-Rs and DVD-Rs, what would you do if your current player crapped out? I'm concerned that in a few more years of this price- and volume-driven market, there may be nothing but slower, less reliable drives available for reading those discs.
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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2020, 01:00:25 AM »
Thanks!  I find this quite reassuring.  Time to go research available drives and pick up a just in case back up drive.
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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2020, 03:30:06 PM »
All of my data discs are long gone but 95+% of them were Fujis and held up just fine for their purpose as data backups. 

For audio, almost all have held up just fine but the ones that people spent a lot of money on were Mitsui's and I have seen more than a couple with what I would call "blisters".  You see the blister on the disc surface and touch it in wonder it pops into silver dust and you are left with a gaping hole in your disc that can never be repaired under any circumstance.
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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2020, 03:41:32 PM »
All of my data discs are long gone but 95+% of them were Fujis and held up just fine for their purpose as data backups. 

For audio, almost all have held up just fine but the ones that people spent a lot of money on were Mitsui's and I have seen more than a couple with what I would call "blisters".  You see the blister on the disc surface and touch it in wonder it pops into silver dust and you are left with a gaping hole in your disc that can never be repaired under any circumstance.

I haven't touched my CDRs in many years, but I did go digging last year looking for my Masters...

I didn't test all of them, but it seems that all of the ones on Made in Japan Fuji and Sony discs (branded Mitsui discs) are still doing just fine.  Anything on other brands seemed to be hit or miss...

I never used unbranded Mitsui discs since the foil tended to flake, pit, or peel off if you even looked at them the wrong way...

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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2020, 06:41:53 PM »


I never used unbranded Mitsui discs since the foil tended to flake, pit, or peel off if you even looked at them the wrong way...

Terry

I didn't even know Mitsui made undranded CD-Rs.  All of my failed Mitsui's were branded.
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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2020, 08:02:00 PM »


I never used unbranded Mitsui discs since the foil tended to flake, pit, or peel off if you even looked at them the wrong way...

Terry

I didn't even know Mitsui made undranded CD-Rs.  All of my failed Mitsui's were branded.

You could buy them bulk.  They didn't have any labeling and only had a plain silver face.  Here is the current version, though I think they are all made in China now...

https://www.mediasupply.com/cd-r-media-mam-a-silver-thermal.html

I occasionally got them via trade.  Sometimes someone would stick a post-it note right on the silver, and when you peeled it off, the silver came with it... 

I always just bought the Fuji and Sony discs at Best Buy or where ever I could find them Made in Japan...

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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2020, 11:14:37 PM »
JFTR the ones I used, that turned out to be so reliable over all these years, were mainly branded as TDK and Kodak. The dye on the TDK discs was deep green, gold for the Kodak.
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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2020, 03:45:59 AM »
JFTR the ones I used, that turned out to be so reliable over all these years, were mainly branded as TDK and Kodak. The dye on the TDK discs was deep green, gold for the Kodak.

I think I cried a little the day they stopped making those Kodak Golds.  That was early in the CDR game.
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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2020, 07:29:11 PM »
Some further notes: Since I no longer have a Plextor drive (which came with special software for bit-accurate DAE), I'm using "Exact Audio Copy" to extract the WAV files from the audio CDs. The program generally works well, except that it seems to be oriented entirely toward "ripping" commercially-available CDs. It continually compares the checksums of my tracks with entries in a remote database, and its responses depend on whether there's a match between my tracks and anything in that database; of course my tracks are never there, except for an occasional "false positive". I wish that I could turn that feature off, but I don't see any way to do so. It also results in the checksums of my tracks being added to that database, which only increases other peoples' rates of "false positives".

Apparently the only tech support for EAC was on a Yahoo user forum, but it is closed now because Yahoo has left that business, and I don't see any replacement for it.

--I used to be concerned about the "timing problems" that the program reports, but am less so now. After one extraction had slowed down noticeably and five or six such "problems" were reported in one track, I cleaned the disc, renamed the extract file, and ran that track again. This time the extraction happened at full speed, and only one "timing problem" was reported. I then did a binary file comparison with the previous extraction, and it was bit-identical throughout.

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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2020, 07:58:13 AM »
DSatz,

AccurateRip is only one component of EAC.  Over the years, I have used it to rip primarily classical CDs, also which often are not in the database.  I don't use that component.

The primary benefit of EAC is that it will read the same sector multiple times if necessary to recover information other programs might read incorrectly or simply report as an error.  That is often why EAC is slower than other ripping programs; it is attempting to be more thorough.
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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2020, 06:20:12 AM »
Are you able to disconnect or disable the "AccurateRip" aspect of EAC? How, if so?

By now I've used EAC with a long succession of different CD-R, DVD-R and BD-R drives; it behaves rather differently depending on the type of drive you use it with. What I find excellent is the way it susses out the precise capabilities of each type, and takes strategic advantage of whatever capabilities you give it to work with. It's still most efficient, of course, with drives that are well designed for accurate "ripping" of CD audio in the first place.

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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2020, 09:09:57 AM »
Are you able to disconnect or disable the "AccurateRip" aspect of EAC? How, if so?

By now I've used EAC with a long succession of different CD-R, DVD-R and BD-R drives; it behaves rather differently depending on the type of drive you use it with. What I find excellent is the way it susses out the precise capabilities of each type, and takes strategic advantage of whatever capabilities you give it to work with. It's still most efficient, of course, with drives that are well designed for accurate "ripping" of CD audio in the first place.

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I believe it's "EAC" menu > "Drive Options" > "Offset/Speed" > "Use AccurateRip with this drive"
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Re: fave cdr
« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2020, 03:44:30 PM »
Hey, yes, it's there of all places. Many thanks; I would never have found it, since there's no logical connection between this functionality and the drive that I'm using.
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