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Re: TASCAM DR-100mkIII NEW Unreleased Recorder
« Reply #180 on: January 21, 2018, 10:28:17 AM »

I do have a Sony PCM-M10 but what drew me to the Tascam was the fact that I can record at 24/192.  I know that might sound a little extreme but....




There's your problem....you ARE sounding a bit extreme.

Go 24/48 or 24/44.1

Don't go near the 192 kHz kool-aid....it's just marketing fluff.

I disagree but that's a different conversation

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Re: TASCAM DR-100mkIII NEW Unreleased Recorder
« Reply #181 on: January 21, 2018, 10:36:32 AM »

I do have a Sony PCM-M10 but what drew me to the Tascam was the fact that I can record at 24/192.  I know that might sound a little extreme but....




There's your problem....you ARE sounding a bit extreme.

Go 24/48 or 24/44.1

Don't go near the 192 kHz kool-aid....it's just marketing fluff.

I disagree but that's a different conversation

Convince me otherwise.  You would be the first.
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Re: TASCAM DR-100mkIII NEW Unreleased Recorder
« Reply #182 on: January 21, 2018, 11:06:44 AM »

I do have a Sony PCM-M10 but what drew me to the Tascam was the fact that I can record at 24/192.  I know that might sound a little extreme but....




There's your problem....you ARE sounding a bit extreme.

Go 24/48 or 24/44.1

Don't go near the 192 kHz kool-aid....it's just marketing fluff.

I disagree but that's a different conversation

Convince me otherwise.  You would be the first.

I didn't come here to discuss that so I'll have to dissapoint you.

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Re: TASCAM DR-100mkIII NEW Unreleased Recorder
« Reply #183 on: January 21, 2018, 11:11:42 AM »

I do have a Sony PCM-M10 but what drew me to the Tascam was the fact that I can record at 24/192.  I know that might sound a little extreme but....




There's your problem....you ARE sounding a bit extreme.

Go 24/48 or 24/44.1

Don't go near the 192 kHz kool-aid....it's just marketing fluff.

I disagree but that's a different conversation

Convince me otherwise.  You would be the first.

I didn't come here to discuss that so I'll have to dissapoint you.

You're the one disappointed with your M-10.  You don't have to be.
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"Don't ever take an all or nothing attitude when it comes to making a difference
and being beautiful and making the world a beautiful place through your actions.
Every little bit is registered.  Every little bit.  So be as beautiful as you can as often as you can"

"It'll never be over, 'till we learn."
 
"My dream is to get a bus and get the band and just go coast to coast. Just about everything else except music, is anti-musical.  That's it.  Music's the thing." - Jeb Puryear

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Re: TASCAM DR-100mkIII NEW Unreleased Recorder
« Reply #184 on: January 21, 2018, 11:56:41 AM »

I do have a Sony PCM-M10 but what drew me to the Tascam was the fact that I can record at 24/192.  I know that might sound a little extreme but....




There's your problem....you ARE sounding a bit extreme.

Go 24/48 or 24/44.1

Don't go near the 192 kHz kool-aid....it's just marketing fluff.

I disagree but that's a different conversation

Convince me otherwise.  You would be the first.

I didn't come here to discuss that so I'll have to dissapoint you.

You're the one disappointed with your M-10.  You don't have to be.

When did I say that? I'm far from dissapointed. I just like to have more than one string to my bow. You don't need to respond because this conversation is going nowhere.

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Re: TASCAM DR-100mkIII NEW Unreleased Recorder
« Reply #185 on: January 21, 2018, 01:28:51 PM »
Carry on, sir.



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Re: TASCAM DR-100mkIII NEW Unreleased Recorder
« Reply #186 on: January 21, 2018, 08:12:01 PM »

I do have a Sony PCM-M10 but what drew me to the Tascam was the fact that I can record at 24/192.  I know that might sound a little extreme but....




There's your problem....you ARE sounding a bit extreme.

Go 24/48 or 24/44.1

Don't go near the 192 kHz kool-aid....it's just marketing fluff.

I disagree but that's a different conversation

Convince me otherwise.  You would be the first.

I am one of those 'extreme' users that absolutely need the 192KHz sampling option --- anything less just won't work for one of my particular projects - which is recording ultrasonics. 
First time I've been able to find a reasonably priced 192KHz portable recorder..... Up until now, it was either specialised (and very expensive!)  kit - or the Korg MR1 and MR2 in DSD mode. (Also too expensive, IMHO)

Some short notes here: http://www.jp137.com/lts/MEMS.bat.experiments.pdf

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Re: TASCAM DR-100mkIII NEW Unreleased Recorder
« Reply #187 on: January 21, 2018, 09:17:30 PM »
SIRMick is recording music, not bats.
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Re: TASCAM DR-100mkIII NEW Unreleased Recorder
« Reply #188 on: January 22, 2018, 04:34:38 AM »
SIRMick is recording music, not bats.

Ah -- sorry about that -- I had only read:  'I do have a Sony PCM-M10 but what drew me to the Tascam was the fact that I can record at 24/192' ...

I hadn't realised he was only considering recording music...

The comment that 192KHz sampling is just 'marketing fluff' may be true for recording music. I think you probably have a valid point there.

 It's certainly not true as a general statement...
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Re: TASCAM DR-100mkIII NEW Unreleased Recorder
« Reply #189 on: January 22, 2018, 11:56:00 AM »
Yep, no absolutes in this life.  Yep rogs, you will need 24/192.  Yep, special ultrasonic mics, too.

Don't know how many humans record bats, but I bet there are a lot more humans recording music with these things....hence, 24/192 marketing fluff IS a valid general statement, eh?

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Re: TASCAM DR-100mkIII NEW Unreleased Recorder
« Reply #190 on: January 22, 2018, 11:57:34 AM »
SIRMick is recording music, not bats.

Ah -- sorry about that -- I had only read:  'I do have a Sony PCM-M10 but what drew me to the Tascam was the fact that I can record at 24/192' ...

I hadn't realised he was only considering recording music...

The comment that 192KHz sampling is just 'marketing fluff' may be true for recording music. I think you probably have a valid point there.

 It's certainly not true as a general statement...

The majority here do seem to be live music tapers, so the discussion/responses are often from that perspective.

In the live music setting there's a general consensus that the law of diminishing returns sets in for sampling frequency about 24/48 since there are so many variables to getting 'good' sound in that situation.  Increasing sampling rate above 48kHz is way down on the list of priorities and there is plenty of anecdotal evidence that suggests that going higher won't enhance the sound of a live recording, especially for example when using less than high end gear.

That said, if we're able to control all of the recording variables, such as in a studio setting, I doubt many would argue that increased sampling frequency is not justified.
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Re: TASCAM DR-100mkIII NEW Unreleased Recorder
« Reply #191 on: January 23, 2018, 07:15:06 AM »

The majority here do seem to be live music tapers, so the discussion/responses are often from that perspective.


I realise that most posters will be music orientated, but the original 'Intro' phrase for this Forum includes the words: "Hopefully, you're here because you share our passion for live music in all it's forms and/or the enjoyable hobby of field audio recording" (my italics)

So although 192KHz sampling may well be ' marketing fluff' for music recording, it's certainly not for field audio recording...which is where some (a few?) of us are coming from.  :)

 


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Re: TASCAM DR-100mkIII NEW Unreleased Recorder
« Reply #192 on: January 24, 2018, 03:51:39 PM »
Back on track..

I've just now bought some AT831B mics. If I connect them via their individual power supplies they work just fine but as I want to use them for stealth recordings I don't want to have to carry 2 power supplies and two one meter long cables.


To use those AT mics directly into a recorder providing 11-48V Phantom-Power in the way intended by Audio Technica, you'll need one of AT's adapters.  AT makes two different adapters for doing this.  Both have a miniXLR mic input and a full-sized XLR output and step-down the 48V Phantom power provided by the recorder to the voltage needed by the microphone (around 8-10V, not sure exactly, but it's in that range). 

The official AT solutions:
1) The AT adapter you liked previously (AT8531) http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/electronics/36396386c21b22ab/index.html
A rectangular box-shaped device.  That one has the advantage of powering the microphone with either P48 from the recorder or via a AA battery - so it can serve as both a Phantom-Power adapter and as a battery box.  Drawback is that it's bulky and requires a patch cable between it and the recorder input.  You'll need one of these for each mic.

2) An AT adapter probably better suited to what you want to do (AT8538) http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/electronics/106ef905e9296f3a/index.html.  It's a smaller barrel-shaped adapter you can plug directly into your recorder without a patch cable.  This one does not include provision for powering via AA battery so it only works into a recorder or other device which can provide it with Phantom-Power.  You'll need one of these for each mic.


Non-AT direct plug-and-play solutions:
3) The Audix and Superlux adapters linked above will probably work, providing similar functionality as the AT8538.  Their barrel format is similar and they can plug straight into the recorder.   Not enough data to conclusively confirm, but they should work.

4) A "three-wire" battery box.  This will have mini-XLR inputs and the 4.7kohm mod does not apply. These are not as common as 2-wire battery boxes but are not complex. Typically these are made as stereo devices so you'll only need one of these for a mic pair.

Non-AT solutions which require a cable re-wire mod (and probably a 4.7kOhm mod)-
5) Adapt the mic cable to a "two-wire" configuration.  Two-wire adaptation makes these 3-wire mics compatible with other common 2-wire eletret mic gear including battery boxes, preamps, and/or directly into a recorder providing Plug-In-Power (PIP).  The 4.7kOhm mod applies to 2-wire configuration and is recommended for high-SPL recording.  For quiet, low-SPL recording the mics will have a lower self-noise without the 4.7k mod.  Some 2-wire battery boxes and preamps probive a switchable 4.7k option built into them, but most have the 4.7kOhm mod housed within the stereo microphone connector body.

6) A Naiant PFA properly configured for will work. Physical configuration is similar to the AT8358.  You'll need one of these for each mic.  Consult with Jon (Naiant-owner) or the Naiant forum concerning configuration. Not sure of 3-wire powering options with these, but Jon adapts them to power all sorts of mics and they have many options.  You'll need one of these for each mic.

7) The Naiant IPA. They have many options.  Consult with Jon (Naiant-owner) or the Naiant forum concerning configuration.  You can use a single IPA for stereo (2-wire), which requires a cable between the IPA and recorder.  Not sure of 3-wire powering options with these, but Jon adapts them to power all sorts of mics.

8 ) Direct into a recorder providing PIP, with the caveats fanofjam noted above:
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An option which has not been suggested is to purchase a recorder that supplies 'plug in power' (PIP) directly to your mics from the 3.5mm mic in connector jack.  However, the problem with this option is that most of these recorders underpower the mics...while the mics may work they usually don't get enough power to handle the high Sound Pressure Levels (SPL) at a loud live music concert, so underpowered mics will distort when the sound gets loud.  Some people have reported good results using a few handheld recorders that apparently put a slightly higher voltage through their 'mic in' jack than other manufacturers.  I would caution you to do plenty of research though...you should assume that a recorder with PIP will NOT provide enough power to your mics to record loud music concerts.

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Re: TASCAM DR-100mkIII NEW Unreleased Recorder
« Reply #193 on: January 24, 2018, 05:18:53 PM »
I've decided to go with the Audix adaptors. I contacted an online store in Germany that sells them and they advised that they should be fine. I'll report back after I have tried them. I'm going to see Larry Campbell and Theresa Williams next week so provided they arrive in time thats when i will try them.

Thanks to everyone that has offered advice, I've learned a few things along the way.

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Re: TASCAM DR-100mkIII NEW Unreleased Recorder
« Reply #194 on: March 06, 2018, 06:58:08 PM »
Just picked one of these up.
I am confused about the A/D filter.... can I turn it off?
settings state:
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Select the A/D filter characteristics.
Option
Meaning
FIR1
A FIR digital filter with a sharp roll-off that
sharply cuts signals outside the audio band
is used.
FIR2
A FIR digital filter with a slow roll-off that
gently cuts signals outside the audio band is
used.
SHORT
DELAY1
(default)
A SHORT DELAY type digital filter with a
sharp roll-off that sharply cuts signals outside
the audio band is used.
SHORT
DELAY2
A SHORT DELAY type digital filter with a slow
roll-off that gently cuts signals outside the
audio band is used.
TIP
FIR digital filters
These filters have an established reputation for audio
quality. They feature a tonal quality with both dense rich
reverberations and crisp sounds.
SHORT DELAY digital filters
These feature tonal qualities that are close to the original
sounds. The starts of sounds and the reverberations are
natural without any pre-echo in the impulse response.

Idon't think I want any of those... can it be defeated? or what is the best setting for live rock/jazz/bluegrass music?
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