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I F'd Up! Help!!
« on: January 24, 2018, 11:30:22 AM »
Somehow an entire folder of a concert recording(s) ended up in the trash, and is now gone.
I need some help in salvaging what I have in remnants.

What I have is a DVD-A that I burned, as a comparative listening disc.  It was burned as 2496 FLAC data via DVD-Audiofile.
I have a Pioneer Elite DVD-A player with spdif optical output.
I have my Mac Mini, which I understand has an optical input via a 3.5mm jack.

The Pioneer is a "standard" standard size output port; the Mac Mini is a mini-jack.
Is such a cable available?

Is this arrangement possible with something like Sound Studio Felt-tip Software to capture the data stream from the Pioneer?

I've never lost data like this before. So, I'm in a new place, and this new technology is just so confusing (Grandpa Simpson).
Help, please and thanks.
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Re: I F'd Up! Help!!
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2018, 11:37:26 AM »
So, I am guessing that DVD-Audiofile made you a disc with Audio_TS/Video_TS folder(s)? If this is the case, a software solution like DVD Audio Extractor would probably be your best bet.  http://www.dvdae.com/
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Re: I F'd Up! Help!!
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2018, 11:39:35 AM »
Somehow an entire folder of a concert recording(s) ended up in the trash, and is now gone.
I need some help in salvaging what I have in remnants.

Even if you've emptied the trash can on your desktop, the data will still be there until they've been overwritten by another file.
Unless you've deleted it via a tool like Eraser or shred.

The best thing to do would be to unmount the drive, shutdown your PC and to reboot your PC from a Live CD (Linux or.Windows PE).
Then use a recovery tool (photorec, ontrack, whatever) to restore your "lost" files.

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Re: I F'd Up! Help!!
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2018, 11:39:47 AM »
The cable exists and works for SPDIF transfers but I dont know about this particular scenario

 
Toslink (AKA "optical SPDIF") to 1/8 inch SPDIF cable

https://www.amazon.com/FosPower-Toslink-Digital-Connectors-Strain-Relief/dp/B00T8HWUVS/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1516811586&sr=8-4&keywords=spdif+to+3.5mm

I transferred DATs from a DAT machine that had a toslink port to a mac mini with mini SPDIF port without issue.

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Re: I F'd Up! Help!!
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2018, 11:48:56 AM »
So, I am guessing that DVD-Audiofile made you a disc with Audio_TS/Video_TS folder(s)? If this is the case, a software solution like DVD Audio Extractor would probably be your best bet.  http://www.dvdae.com/

I have the disc opened right now.  There are two folders; one marked as Audio_TS and the other as Video_TS.
I'm going to follow the link provided and see where that leads.

I forgot to mention,... its best to speak in small words, spoken slowly, when it comes to trying to describe computer operations to me.

Thanks guys,... all suggestions being seriously considered at this point. I'm just starting at the top, and working down. Will reply more.
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Re: I F'd Up! Help!!
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2018, 01:39:37 PM »
Somehow an entire folder of a concert recording(s) ended up in the trash, and is now gone.
I need some help in salvaging what I have in remnants.

Even if you've emptied the trash can on your desktop, the data will still be there until they've been overwritten by another file.
Unless you've deleted it via a tool like Eraser or shred.

The best thing to do would be to unmount the drive, shutdown your PC and to reboot your PC from a Live CD (Linux or.Windows PE).
Then use a recovery tool (photorec, ontrack, whatever) to restore your "lost" files.
I use recuva frequently at work to recover folks files on local PC's:
https://www.ccleaner.com/recuva
No need for the pro version for what you need to do.
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Re: I F'd Up! Help!!
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2018, 03:48:16 PM »
Somehow an entire folder of a concert recording(s) ended up in the trash, and is now gone.
I need some help in salvaging what I have in remnants.

Even if you've emptied the trash can on your desktop, the data will still be there until they've been overwritten by another file.
Unless you've deleted it via a tool like Eraser or shred.

The best thing to do would be to unmount the drive, shutdown your PC and to reboot your PC from a Live CD (Linux or.Windows PE).
Then use a recovery tool (photorec, ontrack, whatever) to restore your "lost" files.
I use recuva frequently at work to recover folks files on local PC's:
https://www.ccleaner.com/recuva
No need for the pro version for what you need to do.

Seconding this ^^^^^ recommendation.  Recuva (free version) has bailed me out of quite a few times.

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Re: I F'd Up! Help!!
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2018, 03:56:50 PM »
Recuva,.. How does it work?
I've got the program loaded, and opened, but I don't see how it recovers.
There is a Trash Icon, but, I'm a bit hesitant to click it as it appears to be a permanent removal action.

And, the DVD-A extraction worked well. It was a slow process, but, it extracted all files.
This is wonderful,.. except, it turns out this DVD-A was rendered to 2448, and edited to the musical content only, to fit all sources onto a single disc. It was mastered at 2496 :\
At least its something.
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Re: I F'd Up! Help!!
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2018, 04:13:42 PM »
Recuva,.. How does it work?
I've got the program loaded, and opened, but I don't see how it recovers.
There is a Trash Icon, but, I'm a bit hesitant to click it as it appears to be a permanent removal action.

And, the DVD-A extraction worked well. It was a slow process, but, it extracted all files.
Mike, I am traveling and can't access my laptop. I think Revuca shows a directory tree of your drives and folders. Find the folder it was stored in, and see if the deleted files show up in there.
also, I *think* it will not recover network stored files (such as on an external or NAS).
https://www.ccleaner.com/docs/recuva/using-recuva
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Re: I F'd Up! Help!!
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2018, 06:29:47 PM »
Somehow an entire folder of a concert recording(s) ended up in the trash, and is now gone.
I need some help in salvaging what I have in remnants.

Even if you've emptied the trash can on your desktop, the data will still be there until they've been overwritten by another file.
Unless you've deleted it via a tool like Eraser or shred.

The best thing to do would be to unmount the drive, shutdown your PC and to reboot your PC from a Live CD (Linux or.Windows PE).
Then use a recovery tool (photorec, ontrack, whatever) to restore your "lost" files.
I use recuva frequently at work to recover folks files on local PC's:
https://www.ccleaner.com/recuva
No need for the pro version for what you need to do.

Seconding this ^^^^^ recommendation.  Recuva (free version) has bailed me out of quite a few times.

Thirding.  Just install the program, try and remember something in the file name and click search/find, whatever.  It is user-friendly.
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Re: I F'd Up! Help!!
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2018, 06:45:30 PM »
Recuva,.. How does it work?
I've got the program loaded, and opened, but I don't see how it recovers.
There is a Trash Icon, but, I'm a bit hesitant to click it as it appears to be a permanent removal action.

And, the DVD-A extraction worked well. It was a slow process, but, it extracted all files.
Mike, I am traveling and can't access my laptop. I think Revuca shows a directory tree of your drives and folders. Find the folder it was stored in, and see if the deleted files show up in there.
also, I *think* it will not recover network stored files (such as on an external or NAS).
https://www.ccleaner.com/docs/recuva/using-recuva

Correct.  You should see tree structure of your disk(s) and be able to zero in on specific directories, if that's what you want to do.  You could search the whole drive, but that could take awhile and create a fairly. extensive list 

The tool has a wizard function you can use, basically picking search location by disk or directory, what kind of files you are looking for (i.e. audio, video, etc.) and where you want to put the recovered data.  Use a different drive for the target for the recovered files if possible.  The tool will also indicate the condition of the data, i.e. giving you probability of whether it can be restored or not.

I've never used it on a drive hosted on a network appliance, but it will work fine with USB external drives, no issues there.

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Re: I F'd Up! Help!!
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2018, 10:21:49 PM »
Somehow an entire folder of a concert recording(s) ended up in the trash, and is now gone.
I need some help in salvaging what I have in remnants.

Even if you've emptied the trash can on your desktop, the data will still be there until they've been overwritten by another file.
Unless you've deleted it via a tool like Eraser or shred.

The best thing to do would be to unmount the drive, shutdown your PC and to reboot your PC from a Live CD (Linux or.Windows PE).
Then use a recovery tool (photorec, ontrack, whatever) to restore your "lost" files.
I use recuva frequently at work to recover folks files on local PC's:
https://www.ccleaner.com/recuva
No need for the pro version for what you need to do.

have gone 5 for 6 with this on recovery from a flash card, can't imagine that recovering from a dvd would be any different.

the one failure came from a dropped deck, powered on, and it re-wrote a 12m audio segment across the entire 4gb card, yet recuva found mp3 files on that card that were put on it *years* earlier.
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Re: I F'd Up! Help!!
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2018, 11:52:04 PM »
The difference is that when restoring from an active operating system, the disk writes by the OS (logs, swap files, automated updates etc.) might overwrite your files. Moreover, don't install any recovery tool **after** the data loss on the same drive or partition as the lost files.

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Re: I F'd Up! Help!!
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2018, 05:06:21 AM »
Yeah, keep that drive pristine until you can recover from it. Try not to use it for a startup or anything until then. Think "Read-Only"

I have used a program called ZAR which stands for Zero Assumption Recovery. Runs on Windows XP through 10.
http://www.z-a-recovery.com/download.aspx
I've mainly used it to salvage SD cards but it works on hard drives too.

Lexar has some free recovery software as well for mac or PC. I think it's mainly geared to images, but I'm not sure it makes any difference.
http://www.lexar.com/support/downloads/

I've never used Recuva, but I notice it's made by CCleaner. I used to use CCleaner on PC's, until approx September 2017, when they announced that CCleaner had been hacked! OOPS!  :-\  :o  :bawling:  :banging head:  :angry3:  ::)  :angry2:

https://www.ccleaner.com/news/release-announcements/2017/9/18/security-notification-for-ccleaner-v5336162-and-ccleaner-cloud-v1073191-for-32-bit-windows-users

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We recently determined that older versions of our Piriform CCleaner v5.33.6162 and CCleaner Cloud v1.07.3191 had been compromised. We estimate that 2.27 million people used the affected software. We resolved this quickly and believe no harm was done to any of our users. This compromise only affected customers with the 32-bit version of the v5.33.6162 of CCleaner and the v1.07.3191 of CCleaner Cloud. No other Piriform or CCleaner products were affected.

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Re: I F'd Up! Help!!
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2018, 02:17:55 PM »
Thanks all!
I started the recovery effort after too many other actions, without realizing the folder had disappeared.
It was a gaint folder, due to many attempts at reducing various noise issues; HVAC, and, this awful sub-sonic vibration introduced by a new bridge in town. Its a long story, but, it left me feeling like being shaken by the shoulders, with head flopping around.
So, no great loss; just the aggravation of losing it.  I'm usually insanely uptight about that stuff. So, a bit of a self administered ass kicking followed.
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Re: I F'd Up! Help!!
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2018, 02:23:22 PM »
I've used Recuva with great success in the few times I used it. 

Story:

Ten years ago, I was caught taking pictures at a concert, where the Theater forbids all photography.  Smith Opera House. Geneva, NY. 

Head of Security wanted to confiscate my camera.  I countered:  "How about I format my card in my camera, right in front of you?"  The dude agreed and I formatted the card while he watched.  He then let me return to my seat with the camera, with me agreeing not to take anymore pictures or suffer instant ejection from the premises.  Done.   

Later that night, I used Recuva to pull all the pictures of that 'formatted' card.  Bwahahahahaha!    :veryevil:

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Re: I F'd Up! Help!!
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2018, 03:04:22 PM »
I've used Recuva with great success in the few times I used it. 

Story:

Ten years ago, I was caught taking pictures at a concert, where the Theater forbids all photography.  Smith Opera House. Geneva, NY. 

Head of Security wanted to confiscate my camera.  I countered:  "How about I format my card in my camera, right in front of you?"  The dude agreed and I formatted the card while he watched.  He then let me return to my seat with the camera, with me agreeing not to take anymore pictures or suffer instant ejection from the premises.  Done.   

Later that night, I used Recuva to pull all the pictures of that 'formatted' card.  Bwahahahahaha!    :veryevil:

Wish I had thought about that when Fripp's goons blanked my card out :banging head:
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