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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2018, 01:31:09 AM »
bump to join thread
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2018, 01:56:09 AM »
I think it's about time I join this thread, now that I own a clamp (Manfrotto superclamp).

My first clampage ----> https://taperssection.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=186708.0;attach=131311;image
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2018, 02:08:52 AM »
Not critiqueing, but a few wraps of e-tape on the 2' runs of Schoeps active cables have made a world of difference for me. I can deploy in about a minute and bust down in less time than that... And, if I plan ahead, I can actually  :cheers: with friends...

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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2018, 02:19:07 AM »
I think it's about time I join this thread, now that I own a clamp (Manfrotto superclamp).

My first clampage ----> https://taperssection.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=186708.0;attach=131311;image

Welcome! This is a DIY thread, AFAIC. Old salts and new eyes are always welcome...

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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2018, 04:28:27 AM »

I'll put in a plug for using a safety cable, (or safety bond in UK) whenever hanging gear over people's heads or where it could crash down and hurt something if the clamp failed.
Here is a link to the safety cable used on what has become a standard stage lighting fixture, the "LEKO" which weighs a lot more than any microphone setup I've seen.

We can use their 5:1 safety ratio as a guide though 10:1 is not stupid. If your mics weigh 5 lbs with the clamp, get a "safety bond" that can hold 25 lbs and secure it running underneath the cables so it doesn't pinch them in case it needs to function.


https://www.etcconnect.com/Support/Articles/Source-Four-Safety-Cable.aspx


>This cable is a 30" long 1/8" diameter black wire rope cable with snap clamp fitted.The safety ratio of the cable is 5:1
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2018, 05:04:48 AM »

I'll put in a plug for using a safety cable, (or safety bond in UK) whenever hanging gear over people's heads or where it could crash down and hurt something if the clamp failed.
Here is a link to the safety cable used on what has become a standard stage lighting fixture, the "LEKO" which weighs a lot more than any microphone setup I've seen.

We can use their 5:1 safety ratio as a guide though 10:1 is not stupid. If your mics weigh 5 lbs with the clamp, get a "safety bond" that can hold 25 lbs and secure it running underneath the cables so it doesn't pinch them in case it needs to function.


https://www.etcconnect.com/Support/Articles/Source-Four-Safety-Cable.aspx


>This cable is a 30" long 1/8" diameter black wire rope cable with snap clamp fitted.The safety ratio of the cable is 5:1

Thank you for this. I was concerned the entire night about the clamp failing and someone getting hurt below. Getting a safety cable rated to a much higher weight for if I attach my soon-to-arrive extension pole from a balcony.
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2018, 11:19:12 AM »
ycoop, I have 2 of those listed above, nothing we (amateur recordists) typically do mic/boom stand wise would require more than the 5:1 ratio unless you are running tube LD's. It looks "small" and is not very expensive, but will do the job.
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2018, 11:37:52 AM »
I have a Bogen 3373 which is the 7' light stand.  I hacked the legs a little to give it a smaller footprint which sacrifices max height as well as stability a little. 

I want to clamp my Canon Vixia XA10 onto it for a static shot.  This is gonna make it more top heavy than it already is. 

Beside lowering the stand's center of gravity and taping the thing down does anyone have any tips on how to clamp the camera to my stand?  I have Rowis and a Superclamp but cannot get the camera out far enough away from the stand, or it is at the wrong angle.  Personally, I'd prefer the former since it weighs less.
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2018, 11:51:48 AM »
I have a Bogen 3373 which is the 7' light stand.  I hacked the legs a little to give it a smaller footprint which sacrifices max height as well as stability a little. 

I want to clamp my Canon Vixia XA10 onto it for a static shot.  This is gonna make it more top heavy than it already is. 

Beside lowering the stand's center of gravity and taping the thing down does anyone have any tips on how to clamp the camera to my stand?  I have Rowis and a Superclamp but cannot get the camera out far enough away from the stand, or it is at the wrong angle.  Personally, I'd prefer the former since it weighs less.

A magic arm / friction arm like this one:

:https://www.amazon.de/TARION-Edelstahl-Gelenkarm-Videoleuchte-Mikrophon/dp/B014F6G2TM/ref=pd_aw_sbs_421_of_11?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B014F6G2TM&pd_rd_r=5c69c7db-6d8e-11e8-a420-1b90d2848b1e&pd_rd_w=KWahE&pd_rd_wg=OvpCf&pf_rd_i=mobile-dp-sims&pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_p=8822005502690862456&pf_rd_r=R5Y1NH327ERCN36Y7RQM&pf_rd_s=mobile-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=Z0KJNVGB8JDC9S4PS2H4&th=1

I'm sure the same thing is available under a lot of different brand names.

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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2018, 12:21:38 PM »
A magic arm / friction arm like this one:

:https://www.amazon.de/TARION-Edelstahl-Gelenkarm-Videoleuchte-Mikrophon/dp/B014F6G2TM/ref=pd_aw_sbs_421_of_11?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B014F6G2TM&pd_rd_r=5c69c7db-6d8e-11e8-a420-1b90d2848b1e&pd_rd_w=KWahE&pd_rd_wg=OvpCf&pf_rd_i=mobile-dp-sims&pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_p=8822005502690862456&pf_rd_r=R5Y1NH327ERCN36Y7RQM&pf_rd_s=mobile-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=Z0KJNVGB8JDC9S4PS2H4&th=1

I'm sure the same thing is available under a lot of different brand names.

Cool, thanks for the fast reply!

Does that thing say it weighs 3 kilograms?  6.5 pounds?  I really only need something half that size I bet.
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2018, 12:35:57 PM »
A magic arm / friction arm like this one:

:https://www.amazon.de/TARION-Edelstahl-Gelenkarm-Videoleuchte-Mikrophon/dp/B014F6G2TM/ref=pd_aw_sbs_421_of_11?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B014F6G2TM&pd_rd_r=5c69c7db-6d8e-11e8-a420-1b90d2848b1e&pd_rd_w=KWahE&pd_rd_wg=OvpCf&pf_rd_i=mobile-dp-sims&pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_p=8822005502690862456&pf_rd_r=R5Y1NH327ERCN36Y7RQM&pf_rd_s=mobile-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=Z0KJNVGB8JDC9S4PS2H4&th=1

I'm sure the same thing is available under a lot of different brand names.

Cool, thanks for the fast reply!

Does that thing say it weighs 3 kilograms?  6.5 pounds?  I really only need something half that size I bet.

No. The maximum **load** is 3kg / 6.5 pounds which should be enough for a small camera or a camcorder.
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2018, 02:08:54 PM »
I want to clamp my Canon Vixia XA10 onto it for a static shot.  This is gonna make it more top heavy than it already is. 

Beside lowering the stand's center of gravity and taping the thing down does anyone have any tips on how to clamp the camera to my stand?
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« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2018, 07:26:51 PM »
My Matthews telescopic baby stand extension arrived today (woohoo)!

I’m now trying to figure out how to attach a stereo bar with 5/8” threads to the stud. It looks like I’ll need a rapid adapter, but I can only find them going from 5/8” stud to 3/8” or 1/4” threads. Do I have to go 5/8” stud > 3/8” or 1/4” threads > threaded adapter to 5/8” threads or are there 5/8” stud > 5/8” threads rapid adapters that I just can’t find?
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« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2018, 09:21:27 AM »
I have a Bogen 3373 which is the 7' light stand.  I hacked the legs a little to give it a smaller footprint which sacrifices max height as well as stability a little. 

I want to clamp my Canon Vixia XA10 onto it for a static shot.  This is gonna make it more top heavy than it already is. 

Beside lowering the stand's center of gravity and taping the thing down does anyone have any tips on how to clamp the camera to my stand?  I have Rowis and a Superclamp but cannot get the camera out far enough away from the stand, or it is at the wrong angle.  Personally, I'd prefer the former since it weighs less.

I use the Superclamp and short extension https://www.amazon.com/Impact-Extension-Spigot-Super-Clamp/dp/B00HCQDGI8 then I put my pan and tilt head on the spigot. 

It gets the camera out 6 inches or so from the stand so I can use the flip screen but not so far out that it makes it wobbly.
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2018, 12:09:13 PM »
My Matthews telescopic baby stand extension arrived today (woohoo)!

I’m now trying to figure out how to attach a stereo bar with 5/8” threads to the stud. It looks like I’ll need a rapid adapter, but I can only find them going from 5/8” stud to 3/8” or 1/4” threads. Do I have to go 5/8” stud > 3/8” or 1/4” threads > threaded adapter to 5/8” threads or are there 5/8” stud > 5/8” threads rapid adapters that I just can’t find?

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« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2018, 12:44:53 PM »
I don't see any Stud adapters offhand with 5/8". Use something to convert the stereo bar

https://www.amazon.com/CAMVATE-8-Inch-4-Inch-Adapter-Microphone/dp/B019TWBQIE/
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2018, 01:09:59 PM »
I don't see any Stud adapters offhand with 5/8". Use something to convert the stereo bar

https://www.amazon.com/CAMVATE-8-Inch-4-Inch-Adapter-Microphone/dp/B019TWBQIE/
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2018, 01:50:54 PM »
I don't see any Stud adapters offhand with 5/8". Use something to convert the stereo bar

https://www.amazon.com/CAMVATE-8-Inch-4-Inch-Adapter-Microphone/dp/B019TWBQIE/
Several of these in my bag.

Figured this was how I’d have to go. Just wanted to check before pulling the trigger.
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« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2018, 01:55:55 PM »
Figured this was how I’d have to go. Just wanted to check before pulling the trigger.

These are the ones I use. 

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1083039-REG/auray_ad_combo_s_5_8_to_3_8.html

You may want to buy two.  You'll undoubtedly need a 2nd one or spare down the road for something.
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2018, 01:59:02 PM »
Figured this was how I’d have to go. Just wanted to check before pulling the trigger.

These are the ones I use. 

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1083039-REG/auray_ad_combo_s_5_8_to_3_8.html

You may want to buy two.  You'll undoubtedly need a 2nd one or spare down the road for something.
CAMVATE Female 1/4"-20 to 5/8"-27 Male 2 Piece Mic Adapter https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GWVQ022/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_OSviBbX8E2F96

Already purchased this a few weeks ago so I’m covered.
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« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2018, 02:04:58 PM »

CAMVATE Female 1/4"-20 to 5/8"-27 Male 2 Piece Mic Adapter https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GWVQ022/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_OSviBbX8E2F96

Already purchased this a few weeks ago so I’m covered.

I like these because if they get stuck, which they always do, you can use a quarter in the top slot to pry them loose.
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2018, 02:14:19 PM »
Maybe consider a rapid adapter of some kind too.  Makes setup and break down a snap. (or twist)

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=rapid%20adapter&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=
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« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2018, 02:30:27 PM »
Maybe consider a rapid adapter of some kind too.  Makes setup and break down a snap. (or twist)

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=rapid%20adapter&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=

Got that about 20 minutes ago. Looks like I’m a step ahead of you today ;)
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2018, 02:50:06 PM »
Maybe consider a rapid adapter of some kind too.  Makes setup and break down a snap. (or twist)

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=rapid%20adapter&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=

Got that about 20 minutes ago. Looks like I’m a step ahead of you today ;)
Yup, kindms and I are thinking of one of these for our Mathews extension pole:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/824403-REG/Impact_ca_102_Rapid_Baby_to_3_8.html

same page as rigpimp listed, only this is the specific 3/8 inch stud.
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« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2018, 03:30:18 PM »
Yup, kindms and I are thinking of one of these for our Mathews extension pole:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/824403-REG/Impact_ca_102_Rapid_Baby_to_3_8.html

same page as rigpimp listed, only this is the specific 3/8 inch stud.

I bought the Manfrotto flavor back in 2003 and use it 99% of the time I record.  It is strong like ox.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/546490-REG/Manfrotto_014_38_014_38_Rapid_Adapter.html?ap=y&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxoqv2q_R2wIVB3ZeCh1tWAJYEAQYAiABEgL0JfD_BwE
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
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« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2018, 08:08:32 AM »
Minor MAJOR annoyance of mine when I first started taping was those damned thread adapters. Come off the stand? Stay in the mount? Drop in a muddy puddle on the first day of a fest?

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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2018, 02:40:26 PM »


Used the super clamp+telescopic extension for the first time last night. The clamp could only latch on in a way that caused the pole to be at an angle. Is there any way to avoid this with a superclamp or would a c clamp be the way to get it up perpendicular to the ledge?
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« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2018, 02:57:19 PM »


Used the super clamp+telescopic extension for the first time last night. The clamp could only latch on in a way that caused the pole to be at an angle. Is there any way to avoid this with a superclamp or would a c clamp be the way to get it up perpendicular to the ledge?

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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2018, 02:57:38 PM »


Used the super clamp+telescopic extension for the first time last night. The clamp could only latch on in a way that caused the pole to be at an angle. Is there any way to avoid this with a superclamp or would a c clamp be the way to get it up perpendicular to the ledge?

Superclamps typically come with a wedge insert that allows it to clamp flat to a table top. I always lose that insert and have to wing it.

A lot of people prefer a Matthelini type jaw clamp for flat surfaces.
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2018, 06:39:31 PM »


Used the super clamp+telescopic extension for the first time last night. The clamp could only latch on in a way that caused the pole to be at an angle. Is there any way to avoid this with a superclamp or would a c clamp be the way to get it up perpendicular to the ledge?
This is what i would use and works great in that situation. Ive had the same issue, even with the wedge in the superclamp.
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2018, 06:47:22 PM »
If you lose the rubber insert superclamps are good for round rails, use a flat C-clamp like a Rowi for tables and lips. 
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2018, 06:51:48 PM »
If you lose the rubber insert superclamps are good for round rails, use a flat C-clamp like a Rowi for tables and lips.

You can buy a 4 pack of the wedges if you lose one and need a replacement.
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2018, 07:08:19 PM »


Used the super clamp+telescopic extension for the first time last night. The clamp could only latch on in a way that caused the pole to be at an angle. Is there any way to avoid this with a superclamp or would a c clamp be the way to get it up perpendicular to the ledge?
This is what i would use and works great in that situation. Ive had the same issue, even with the wedge in the superclamp.
https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwiCj5-S5eDbAhXRtcAKHfVPBZ0YABAIGgJpbQ&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAESQOD2cBbd6HlybuaLcGkm7fo9C6UT431KyU8V5C257vMIqiUHPGP-d3KxVjC2PEV4EqTnF7L9QWnrySyAkO0Mwdw&sig=AOD64_0l_RbK56baWAlEuV9xIc2AnraPzQ&ctype=5&q=&ved=0ahUKEwj0t5WS5eDbAhUs3IMKHc3BBUwQwg8IJg&adurl=

Thanks for the link, I was having trouble finding a clamp with an opening larger than 2”. That price is pretty steep though  :-\
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« Reply #35 on: June 19, 2018, 07:10:37 PM »
Gear that enables you to set up in the ideal location is worth the expense, IMO.
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #36 on: June 19, 2018, 07:46:56 PM »
I think I use the Manfrotto quick release more than any other clamp. Although I use superclamps a fair bit too, esp. on round rails.
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« Reply #37 on: June 19, 2018, 08:48:29 PM »


Used the super clamp+telescopic extension for the first time last night. The clamp could only latch on in a way that caused the pole to be at an angle. Is there any way to avoid this with a superclamp or would a c clamp be the way to get it up perpendicular to the ledge?
This is what i would use and works great in that situation. Ive had the same issue, even with the wedge in the superclamp.
https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwiCj5-S5eDbAhXRtcAKHfVPBZ0YABAIGgJpbQ&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAESQOD2cBbd6HlybuaLcGkm7fo9C6UT431KyU8V5C257vMIqiUHPGP-d3KxVjC2PEV4EqTnF7L9QWnrySyAkO0Mwdw&sig=AOD64_0l_RbK56baWAlEuV9xIc2AnraPzQ&ctype=5&q=&ved=0ahUKEwj0t5WS5eDbAhUs3IMKHc3BBUwQwg8IJg&adurl=

Thanks for the link, I was having trouble finding a clamp with an opening larger than 2”. That price is pretty steep though  :-\
Think i found one on ebay a ways back around 35. It really was worth it. I use it all the time.
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2018, 09:41:04 AM »
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2018, 03:01:23 PM »
I ended up going with 6” wide jaw impact brand Matthellini type clamp that I found used (open box) on Amazon for $35.
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #40 on: June 21, 2018, 09:36:48 PM »
I ended up going with 6” wide jaw impact brand Matthellini type clamp that I found used (open box) on Amazon for $35.

That's a good deal.
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« Reply #41 on: July 26, 2018, 05:34:49 PM »
Can anyone share the link to the legs that can be attached to a Manfrotto 099b extension pole??  I can seem to find it searching B&H
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #46 on: July 27, 2018, 06:41:02 PM »


Used the super clamp+telescopic extension for the first time last night. The clamp could only latch on in a way that caused the pole to be at an angle. Is there any way to avoid this with a superclamp or would a c clamp be the way to get it up perpendicular to the ledge?



We have been using the articulated arm recently. The thing is pretty versatile and allows for just about any angle

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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #47 on: July 28, 2018, 02:55:23 PM »

I probably use the two section articulated arm more often than I do my stand nowadays. With a Superclamp I can get either or both of my active setups just about anywhere I like. Best gear purchase I've made.
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #49 on: August 04, 2018, 03:59:27 PM »
Obligatory clamping to a clamp (clampception?): http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=187418.0
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #50 on: September 22, 2018, 03:39:19 AM »
Stream of consciousness after a show on Thurday night.

We all clamped to a Matthews/Cardellini and pole extension on a single solid horizontal rail with the Matthews clamp in the vertical position. Photog buddy of mine pointed out the fact that the clamp point was a single point of failure. A single pivot point.

No issues. But the fact that a Super-clamp on either a horizontal pipe or vertical pipe spinning out of place made me think: Any ideas on how to mate a combo of the super clamp/Matthelini on both the Horizontal plane as well as the Vertical plane?

I'm thinking a super clamp on the vert. pipe and the Matthew-Lini on the Horizontal. Or vice versa.

Team Philly always runs safety cables. But just trying to hash out a solution that is mechanically superior...

I **know** there is a solution out there, but the Matthews/Cardellini/Bogen sites just ain't doin' for me at the moment...





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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #51 on: September 22, 2018, 10:25:29 AM »
Simplest might be to bridge the two clamps with an articulated arm. Or a combination of Matthews Mini Grip heads or Microgrip heads and 3/8" rods. 9.Solutions also makes a series of 3/8" grip heads, rods and clamps. Check out the 9.solutions Python Clamp Mini product photos to see how they combine various rods, clamps and heads to create multiple mounting points.


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« Reply #52 on: October 31, 2018, 12:00:48 PM »
Just saw this on B&H; what do you guys think of it:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1434572-REG/camvate_c1196_crab_clamp_with_ball.html

I've been wracking my brain lately trying to figure out what to get for a clamp setup, but this seems perfect! Could maybe use a longer arm, though.
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« Reply #53 on: October 31, 2018, 01:39:22 PM »
Just saw this on B&H; what do you guys think of it:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1434572-REG/camvate_c1196_crab_clamp_with_ball.html

I've been wracking my brain lately trying to figure out what to get for a clamp setup, but this seems perfect! Could maybe use a longer arm, though.
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« Reply #54 on: October 31, 2018, 01:56:21 PM »
Just saw this on B&H; what do you guys think of it:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1434572-REG/camvate_c1196_crab_clamp_with_ball.html

I've been wracking my brain lately trying to figure out what to get for a clamp setup, but this seems perfect! Could maybe use a longer arm, though.
interesting with the 360' ballhead. Is this why it is less money than a Manfrotto:
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OR is it just the brand which commands the $$?

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« Reply #55 on: November 01, 2018, 10:23:52 AM »
Just saw this on B&H; what do you guys think of it:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1434572-REG/camvate_c1196_crab_clamp_with_ball.html

I've been wracking my brain lately trying to figure out what to get for a clamp setup, but this seems perfect! Could maybe use a longer arm, though.
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Made from CNC-machined aluminum
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Manfrotto: T
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he Manfrotto 035RL Super Clamp is made of lightweight cast alloy
         but not that much more money: $29.02
OR is it just the brand which commands the $$?


Depends on the alloy, I guess. What I like about the Camvate is that it doesn't need any adapters or anything like that. I'm gonna get it, and once I've used it, I'll post a review.
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« Reply #56 on: November 01, 2018, 11:03:33 AM »
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
+T       for that cost, if it does what you want, I like the flexibility of it as well. Let us know your opinion of it once you use it.
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #57 on: November 01, 2018, 02:53:50 PM »
I've got this mic bar attached to a Bogen 196 arm/Super Clamp with an adapter. Is there a way to secure the bar to the arm? It just kind of sits there (not loose but not tight).

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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #58 on: November 01, 2018, 03:09:38 PM »
I've got this mic bar attached to a Bogen 196 arm/Super Clamp with an adapter. Is there a way to secure the bar to the arm? It just kind of sits there (not loose but not tight).

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/534725-REG/K_M_23510_500_55_23510_Microphone_Bar.html
You need a rapid adapter. Manfrotto 014-38. Other manufacturers make them too and might be a dollar or two less.
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« Reply #59 on: November 01, 2018, 03:36:01 PM »
I've got this mic bar attached to a Bogen 196 arm/Super Clamp with an adapter. Is there a way to secure the bar to the arm? It just kind of sits there (not loose but not tight).

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/534725-REG/K_M_23510_500_55_23510_Microphone_Bar.html
You need a rapid adapter. Manfrotto 014-38. Other manufacturers make them too and might be a dollar or two less.

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« Reply #60 on: November 26, 2018, 11:41:09 PM »
My setup with the 196 arm is complete but I am missing at least one piece to my extension pole setup. I taped a show last weekend and the only place to set up was behind the sound board - if I had the 099b, I could have clamped FOB and avoided the sound board social hour.

Anyone have an idea on how to connect the 484 ball head to the 099b extension? Is there a stud with female 1/4-20" and 5/8 top stud? I cannot seem to find one with a female end AND a stud on the opposite end.

Super clamp > stud > Manfrotto 484 ball head > ? > Manfrotto 099b > stud > Rapid Adapter > K&M bar

It looks like this may work:

https://www.manfrotto.us/camera-stud-for-sky-hook-2970

Otherwise, maybe there's a better way to arrange the gear?
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« Reply #61 on: November 27, 2018, 12:31:01 PM »
My setup with the 196 arm is complete but I am missing at least one piece to my extension pole setup. I taped a show last weekend and the only place to set up was behind the sound board - if I had the 099b, I could have clamped FOB and avoided the sound board social hour.

Anyone have an idea on how to connect the 484 ball head to the 099b extension? Is there a stud with female 1/4-20" and 5/8 top stud? I cannot seem to find one with a female end AND a stud on the opposite end.

Super clamp > stud > Manfrotto 484 ball head > ? > Manfrotto 099b > stud > Rapid Adapter > K&M bar

It looks like this may work:

https://www.manfrotto.us/camera-stud-for-sky-hook-2970

Otherwise, maybe there's a better way to arrange the gear?

Replace the Manfrotto 484  whith the "Lite-Tite Swivel Umbrella Adapter" (026) or something similar. The 484 might not hold enough weight.

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« Reply #62 on: November 27, 2018, 01:21:54 PM »
My setup with the 196 arm is complete but I am missing at least one piece to my extension pole setup. I taped a show last weekend and the only place to set up was behind the sound board - if I had the 099b, I could have clamped FOB and avoided the sound board social hour.

Anyone have an idea on how to connect the 484 ball head to the 099b extension? Is there a stud with female 1/4-20" and 5/8 top stud? I cannot seem to find one with a female end AND a stud on the opposite end.

Super clamp > stud > Manfrotto 484 ball head > ? > Manfrotto 099b > stud > Rapid Adapter > K&M bar

It looks like this may work:

https://www.manfrotto.us/camera-stud-for-sky-hook-2970

Otherwise, maybe there's a better way to arrange the gear?

Replace the Manfrotto 484  whith the "Lite-Tite Swivel Umbrella Adapter" (026) or something similar. The 484 might not hold enough weight.

Thanks for the reply. This is certainly an option, but I am running 853s with Tensimounts (very lightweight), so I estimate that I'm at around 1/3 of the 484's stated max of ~8.75 pounds with the heaviest part of the setup being the 099b extension. I'm certainly open to grabbing a new attachment, but if what I have will work for now, I'd love to grab the umbrella attachment at a time when I get new, larger mics.
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« Reply #63 on: November 28, 2018, 10:18:19 AM »
My setup with the 196 arm is complete but I am missing at least one piece to my extension pole setup. I taped a show last weekend and the only place to set up was behind the sound board - if I had the 099b, I could have clamped FOB and avoided the sound board social hour.

Anyone have an idea on how to connect the 484 ball head to the 099b extension? Is there a stud with female 1/4-20" and 5/8 top stud? I cannot seem to find one with a female end AND a stud on the opposite end.

Super clamp > stud > Manfrotto 484 ball head > ? > Manfrotto 099b > stud > Rapid Adapter > K&M bar

It looks like this may work:

https://www.manfrotto.us/camera-stud-for-sky-hook-2970

Otherwise, maybe there's a better way to arrange the gear?

Replace the Manfrotto 484  whith the "Lite-Tite Swivel Umbrella Adapter" (026) or something similar. The 484 might not hold enough weight.

Thanks for the reply. This is certainly an option, but I am running 853s with Tensimounts (very lightweight), so I estimate that I'm at around 1/3 of the 484's stated max of ~8.75 pounds with the heaviest part of the setup being the 099b extension. I'm certainly open to grabbing a new attachment, but if what I have will work for now, I'd love to grab the umbrella attachment at a time when I get new, larger mics.

To follow up, I ended up buying the Manfrotto umbrella adapter and will be selling the ball head. Thanks for the recommendation.
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« Reply #64 on: November 30, 2018, 05:52:58 PM »
Checking in to part II.

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« Reply #65 on: December 15, 2018, 02:43:38 PM »
I wish I had a better photo to offer, because this was quite the setup: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=188949.0
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« Reply #66 on: December 15, 2018, 09:58:19 PM »
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« Reply #67 on: December 17, 2018, 07:21:17 AM »
Anyone use the 9.Solutions double joint arm? Thinking that with an extension pole and super clamp would be a nice combo.

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« Reply #68 on: December 26, 2018, 09:03:52 PM »
A few questions about using a Matthews baby extension:
1. Anybody ever thread the 5/8" stud?
2. Guessing not, so looking at: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/824403-REG/Impact_ca_102_Rapid_Baby_to_3_8.html  plus a 3/8" x 5/8" adapter
3. What do folks use to mount the extension on a super clamp?

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« Reply #69 on: December 27, 2018, 12:21:12 AM »
A few questions about using a Matthews baby extension:
1. Anybody ever thread the 5/8" stud?
2. Guessing not, so looking at: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/824403-REG/Impact_ca_102_Rapid_Baby_to_3_8.html  plus a 3/8" x 5/8" adapter
3. What do folks use to mount the extension on a super clamp?

Thanks!

2. I haven't used that one but I do use the Manfrotto version. Make sure the top of the adapter fits your mic mount. I use a 1/4" top screw with a Ryvote low profile base.
3. You'll need a double sided spigot like this one:
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« Reply #70 on: December 27, 2018, 12:44:55 AM »
^ Much appreciated, thanks!
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #71 on: January 04, 2019, 02:20:36 PM »
I may  be clamping to a ~6" round structural pole in the near-ish future.  Anyone have a recommendation? I have a super clamp and 196 arm and run actives on a shapeways bar, so weight is not really a concern.
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« Reply #73 on: January 04, 2019, 02:43:24 PM »
I may  be clamping to a ~6" round structural pole in the near-ish future.  Anyone have a recommendation? I have a super clamp and 196 arm and run actives on a shapeways bar, so weight is not really a concern.
I use a large clutch style bar clamp (for woodworking) to clamp to a 8" square pole at a venue in our area. Here is a snap of it: (I think mine is the 12" version)
https://www.homedepot.com/p/BESSEY-24-in-Clutch-Style-Bar-Clamp-with-Wood-Handle-and-2-1-2-in-Throat-Depth-GSCC2-524/204986197         
https://www.homedepot.com/p/BESSEY-12-in-Clutch-Style-Bar-Clamp-with-Wood-Handle-and-2-1-2-in-Throat-Depth-GSCC2-512/204986133?MERCH=REC-_-PIPHorizontal3_rr-_-204986197-_-204986133-_-N
fer instance, I'm no Home Depot fan But this is the first image which popped up
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« Reply #74 on: January 04, 2019, 03:01:51 PM »
Been known to do that on flat surfaces as well, RS. Not so sure how much confidence I'd have on a round surface. I'd have to do some experimenting 1st...

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« Reply #75 on: January 04, 2019, 03:17:14 PM »
Been known to do that on flat surfaces as well, RS. Not so sure how much confidence I'd have on a round surface. I'd have to do some experimenting 1st...
Yes, the roundness of the 6" pole is my concern re this wood clamp. However, I did not see any replies to beegar so I figured to at least chime in with a photo/link to see if that heads them in the right direction.  :laugh:
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« Reply #76 on: January 04, 2019, 03:19:45 PM »
I may  be clamping to a ~6" round structural pole in the near-ish future.  Anyone have a recommendation? I have a super clamp and 196 arm and run actives on a shapeways bar, so weight is not really a concern.

A matthelini is probably perfect for that.
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« Reply #77 on: January 04, 2019, 03:40:06 PM »
Or just a nylon cinch strap or two.
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« Reply #78 on: January 04, 2019, 04:28:52 PM »
I'd echo vanark's suggestion. I have a small wooden block ~3"x8" to which I've added a 1/4" bolt. The block can be strapped or gaffer taped to a pole, and then a tripod head or 5/8" stud (or whatever) can be attached attached via the bolt. Last time I used it was for a 4+ hour time lapse documentation of a bicycle race; no space to safely use a tripod so I mounted the camera to a light pole.

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« Reply #79 on: January 04, 2019, 10:28:26 PM »
Been known to do that on flat surfaces as well, RS. Not so sure how much confidence I'd have on a round surface. I'd have to do some experimenting 1st...
Yes, the roundness of the 6" pole is my concern re this wood clamp. However, I did not see any replies to beegar so I figured to at least chime in with a photo/link to see if that heads them in the right direction.  :laugh:

Hey, RS. Just wanted to tip you to this: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/546500-REG/Manfrotto_119_119_Short_16mm_Adapter.html

1/4"-20 bolt and 1/4"-20 nut to attach to the opposite side of the bar of the clamp to act as a shim and the proper rapid adapter.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/aRwk5qxUhuR8R8rG9

Seems like less points of failure and a bit more stream-lined. YMMV...


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« Reply #80 on: January 04, 2019, 10:30:43 PM »
Or just a nylon cinch strap or two.

Please explain. To strap a stand to the pole (legs closed)?

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« Reply #81 on: January 04, 2019, 10:46:16 PM »
I'd echo vanark's suggestion. I have a small wooden block ~3"x8" to which I've added a 1/4" bolt. The block can be strapped or gaffer taped to a pole, and then a tripod head or 5/8" stud (or whatever) can be attached attached via the bolt. Last time I used it was for a 4+ hour time lapse documentation of a bicycle race; no space to safely use a tripod so I mounted the camera to a light pole.

Totally missed that part. Makes perfect sense. I suppose one of those thick, closed cell kneeling pads for home or garden to help conform to the contour of a round pole couldn't hurt either...

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« Reply #82 on: January 05, 2019, 02:12:24 PM »
Been known to do that on flat surfaces as well, RS. Not so sure how much confidence I'd have on a round surface. I'd have to do some experimenting 1st...
Yes, the roundness of the 6" pole is my concern re this wood clamp. However, I did not see any replies to beegar so I figured to at least chime in with a photo/link to see if that heads them in the right direction.  :laugh:

Hey, RS. Just wanted to tip you to this: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/546500-REG/Manfrotto_119_119_Short_16mm_Adapter.html

1/4"-20 bolt and 1/4"-20 nut to attach to the opposite side of the bar of the clamp to act as a shim and the proper rapid adapter.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/aRwk5qxUhuR8R8rG9

Seems like less points of failure and a bit more stream-lined. YMMV...
Funny we got the rapid adapter in your right hand photo after we bought a Matthews extension arm to use with the SUperclamp/articulated arm.
I may pick up one of those adapter spigots in the first link.    Thanks!   
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« Reply #83 on: January 05, 2019, 06:47:55 PM »
I'm here to help and also learn more about this craft buddy.

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« Reply #84 on: January 05, 2019, 07:46:46 PM »
I'm here to help and also learn more about this craft buddy.
+T. And it is a great tribute to this site that so many folks are willing to share their information and hints/tips so freely.
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« Reply #85 on: January 05, 2019, 08:42:06 PM »
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« Reply #86 on: January 20, 2019, 06:52:18 PM »
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« Reply #87 on: February 08, 2019, 04:43:59 PM »
How do you guys attach extension poles to the windtech clamp? Do I need a stud converter? It looks like it may be a 3/8" stud.

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« Reply #88 on: February 08, 2019, 04:59:08 PM »
I use a Manfrotto (119) female spigot, with a flat edge, to attach an extension pole to a clamp. You may need an additional adapter to go from the clamp’s 5/8” thread to the spigot.

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« Reply #89 on: February 08, 2019, 08:43:37 PM »
How do you guys attach extension poles to the windtech clamp? Do I need a stud converter? It looks like it may be a 3/8" stud.

Trying to attach a Manfrotto 99b

I'm not sure I would even try that. An 099B is going to be a fair bit of force on that small clamp. What are you clamping  to? Vertical or horizontal? What other clamps do you have in your arsenal?
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« Reply #90 on: February 13, 2019, 11:38:00 AM »
How do you guys attach extension poles to the windtech clamp? Do I need a stud converter? It looks like it may be a 3/8" stud.

Trying to attach a Manfrotto 99b

I'm not sure I would even try that. An 099B is going to be a fair bit of force on that small clamp. What are you clamping  to? Vertical or horizontal? What other clamps do you have in your arsenal?

I have a super clamp otherwise. I tried it out and it seems like a bad idea. I think I'm just going to use the Windtech for attaching a center channel mic to my stand. Hopefully it will have no problem holding a shotgun.
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« Reply #91 on: May 17, 2019, 07:45:59 PM »
Hoping to tap the hive mind for input on best setup for Tedeschi Trucks next Wednesday in Salem, OR.

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Options I'm considering:
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b. stand with legs flat on ground, riser coming up behind bunch/in front of backrest
c. superclamp to bench, extension pole
d. superclamp to backrest, extension pole
e. variation on c or d adding manfrotto flex arm

PS: broken leg and walking boot, so could also bring/use crutches.

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« Reply #92 on: May 18, 2019, 11:56:04 AM »
I would superclamp with extension pole to the seat beside you
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« Reply #93 on: May 18, 2019, 02:59:15 PM »
I would superclamp with extension pole to the seat beside you

Thanks, seems easy to implement, a bonus while I'm on crutches.
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« Reply #94 on: May 18, 2019, 04:27:59 PM »
Great thread. What is the smallest-sized clamp?
I own a SuperClamp and I'm borrowing a C-clamp (for lighting / taping). I'm interested in a tiny version of the super clamp, for clamping onto the thin metal posts on old railings. These posts are only 1/4" to 1/2" and the SuperClamp is too large in that case.

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« Reply #95 on: May 18, 2019, 04:43:09 PM »
Great thread. What is the smallest-sized clamp?
I own a SuperClamp and I'm borrowing a C-clamp (for lighting / taping). I'm interested in a tiny version of the super clamp, for clamping onto the thin metal posts on old railings. These posts are only 1/4" to 1/2" and the SuperClamp is too large in that case.
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #96 on: May 19, 2019, 01:54:06 AM »
Thank you for this suggestion.
I need to mount DPA 4021 mics in their mounts; this is a very lightweight setup.
The Super Clamp is excellent for a heavier load, adding an extension pole, and having more power and security to the surface.
For my needs, the DPA mics in their mount are so lightweight, so I'm looking for a clamp or clipping system that is smaller and sleeker, and I can secure the tiny clamp with gaffer's tape.
Do any other clamps, or clips, come to mind?

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« Reply #97 on: May 19, 2019, 09:35:02 AM »
Windtech clamp. Everyone here has at least one.
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« Reply #98 on: May 19, 2019, 12:44:02 PM »
Windtech clamp. Everyone here has at least one.
In my experience, it depends which Windtech.
The MPC10 doesn't last. I have had the plastic end cover of the clamping screw break on me twice, both times after only 10 years or so of use.
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« Reply #99 on: May 19, 2019, 03:28:15 PM »
The Matthews Micro Clamp or Manfrotto Nano Clamp (or other brands' similar offerings) might do what you want. 9.Solutions' Savior Mini-Clamp is another option, as is its Savior Spring Mini Clamp. 

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« Reply #100 on: May 19, 2019, 03:39:12 PM »
Windtech clamp. Everyone here has at least one.
In my experience, it depends which Windtech.
The MPC10 doesn't last. I have had the plastic end cover of the clamping screw break on me twice, both times after only 10 years or so of use.
Wondering if any uses the MA-458?

The little caps for the air thing on your tires work great as replacements.  You can get a 5-10 pack for nothing.  That said I rarely use my windtech since getting a rowi with the swivel ball head.
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« Reply #101 on: May 20, 2019, 03:09:48 AM »
I have had the plastic end cover of the clamping screw break on me twice, both times after only 10 years or so of use.


ONLY??
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I would consider that to be a VERY STRONG endorsement of WindTech's products.
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« Reply #102 on: May 20, 2019, 10:35:57 AM »
I have had the plastic end cover of the clamping screw break on me twice, both times after only 10 years or so of use.


ONLY??
 :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:


I would consider that to be a VERY STRONG endorsement of WindTech's products.
I was thinking the same thing, 10 years of use is great. Plus that little plastic cover is so easily replaceable with a tire valve stem cover that you can get at Walmart or an auto parts store for next to nothing. Heck gaff tape has worked for me in a bind.

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« Reply #103 on: May 20, 2019, 11:45:37 AM »
ok, I guess it's all relative. I've got gear from my first set up in '82 that works exactly as it always has, including lots of homemade mogami cables. I'm a former engineer and treat gear very gently. Never scratched a phne screen, all used taping gear sells as mint, etc. The kids, though. I've dropped them :facepalm:. They pass ops testing so seems ok.
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« Reply #104 on: May 20, 2019, 01:34:39 PM »
I have had the plastic end cover of the clamping screw break on me twice, both times after only 10 years or so of use.


ONLY??
 :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:


I would consider that to be a VERY STRONG endorsement of WindTech's products.

That was my first thought as well, but then I realized this might be conditioning from the way we're used to things being made these days.  Everything is disposable and if it lasts a few years we're happy.  There was a time not all that long ago when things were made to last a lifetime (or more).  Anyway, I digress.
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« Reply #105 on: May 22, 2019, 07:18:04 AM »
That plastic cap takes a hell of a lot of pressure / area. If it doesn't break, it gets lost. Gaff tape, cloth, wood, valve stem covers, a penny, there are lots of things you can use instead. In historic venues, you'll need to do something, and the stock cap may not be sufficient!


I worry about stress in the body of the clamp too. If yours looks like it's cracking, replace it.
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« Reply #106 on: June 07, 2019, 11:56:23 AM »
Does anyone have an extension pole longer than this?  I have it but it won't get high enough for large ampitheatres to stack tape, and I don't want to lug a whole stand in, I'd rather clamp to my seat:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/546540-REG/Manfrotto_099B_3_Section_Extension_Pole_35.html

Alternatively, has anyone combined two of these?
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« Reply #107 on: June 07, 2019, 02:12:11 PM »
Does anyone have an extension pole longer than this?  I have it but it won't get high enough for large ampitheatres to stack tape, and I don't want to lug a whole stand in, I'd rather clamp to my seat:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/546540-REG/Manfrotto_099B_3_Section_Extension_Pole_35.html

Alternatively, has anyone combined two of these?

I don't have it but, apparently, the Manfrotto 146B is longer than the 099B (137 - 314 cm). You might need an adapter like the Manfrotto 158 to mount it to a light stand base (or a jaw clamp), though.

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« Reply #108 on: June 07, 2019, 03:42:43 PM »
I have a 3 ft. extension I can add if the situation calls for it.
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« Reply #109 on: September 28, 2019, 05:53:25 PM »
I found a great replacement for the screw top of a Windtech MPC clamp.

Bought another Windtech clamp and the top cap of the screw end came off when I was fidgeting with it straight otb.
I was not a fan of the valve stem cap I first used, but it worked.
Last week... hardware store epiphany.

The soft cap on top of a 4 foot driveway/plow marker.  Those orange or yellow hi-vis, thin staffs, probably near the mailbox numbers in your local Lowes/Home Depot.

Fits perfectly. 
Slide it off the screw top end of the clamp just a bit, then clamp it to a stand; creates a soft, but solid connection with the slight amount of extra plastic of the "pip" of the cap as added protection for the stand.
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« Reply #110 on: January 18, 2020, 07:34:40 AM »
Does anyone have an extension pole longer than this?  I have it but it won't get high enough for large ampitheatres to stack tape, and I don't want to lug a whole stand in, I'd rather clamp to my seat:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/546540-REG/Manfrotto_099B_3_Section_Extension_Pole_35.html

Alternatively, has anyone combined two of these?

I use the 099B.  I have used it a few times on top of a 1004BAC 12' stand when I needed to go super-high, or more often used as a boom arm with a 124 boom clamp.  The whole setup is reasonably stable, albeit with just a pair of my CM3s which are very light.

I think if you did two 099B's stacked, you would be OK, provided that you do not fully extend the sections so you have a bit more internal lateral stability.  Leave 6 inches or so not extended in each section, and you will still get about 13 ft with the two stacked poles, instead of 15 ft at full extension.

I also recommend you use something a bit more beefy than a standard SuperClamp for this setup - see my next post for what I am considering buying as an upgrade.
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« Reply #111 on: January 18, 2020, 08:02:29 AM »
I normally use stands for my recording, but over the past couple years I have been finding myself needing to use clamp & pole setups more often.  After a concert earlier this week, I think I am at the point where I need an upgrade from the Manfrotto SuperClamp.

My setup this week was the SuperClamp on an auditorium chair arm, first row on center aisle.  I was recording choirs and needed to center my mics above the aisle while keeping a clear walking path, so attached to my clamp was a 099B pole at full extension, 124 boom arm clamp (which is quite heavy), Impact 3' backlight stand boomed out to the right, On-Stage Posi-Lok clutch with adapters, and then my CM3s and Rycote mount.

I love the SuperClamp, but even with the plastic insert, I am never fully confident attaching it to something flat on both sides like a chair arm.  The gripping surface on the lower jaw is very narrow, and on this occasion it was very hard to keep the clamp from slipping laterally on the chair arm.  I suppose I could have used a neoprene or rubber sheet, but I don't carry those with me.

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« Reply #112 on: January 18, 2020, 11:45:44 AM »
That looks like a good alternative, let us know more when you can.
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« Reply #113 on: January 19, 2020, 08:38:20 AM »
I found a great replacement for the screw top of a Windtech MPC clamp.
The soft cap on top of a 4 foot driveway/plow marker.  Those orange or yellow hi-vis, thin staffs, probably near the mailbox numbers in your local Lowes/Home Depot.
First few uses, they work great.
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Re: Clamp-aholics. The ultimate clamping and rigging team thread II
« Reply #114 on: January 19, 2020, 09:54:15 AM »
I found a great replacement for the screw top of a Windtech MPC clamp.
The soft cap on top of a 4 foot driveway/plow marker.  Those orange or yellow hi-vis, thin staffs, probably near the mailbox numbers in your local Lowes/Home Depot.
First few uses, they work great.
After about 5, the screw wears through the tip.
Derp.

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The screw on cap for air valve stems for auto tires works for me.

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« Reply #115 on: January 19, 2020, 11:28:00 AM »
That looks like a good alternative, let us know more when you can.

Ordered one today from B&H, who is the only US retailer that has this model in stock.  I'll post a review here after I try it out.
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« Reply #116 on: January 19, 2020, 11:36:18 AM »
That looks like a good alternative, let us know more when you can.

Ordered one today from B&H, who is the only US retailer that has this model in stock.  I'll post a review here after I try it out.

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« Reply #117 on: January 19, 2020, 11:53:51 AM »
New to balcony clamping here and for the life of me I can't figure out what I need from all these threads. I'm looking to clamp to the rail in front of the seating in the picture below. I see the superclamp also linked should fit the rail itself, but what do I need in addition to extend the mics upwards? I thought this would be easier to figure out, but no matter what I search for ("mic extension, mic boom", etc) I cant find just a basic extension for the mics. To clarify, I already have a clamp and clips for the mics, I just need something between the super clamp and the mic clamp. Any help would be apprecaited!

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« Reply #118 on: January 19, 2020, 03:44:32 PM »
New to balcony clamping here and for the life of me I can't figure out what I need from all these threads. I'm looking to clamp to the rail in front of the seating in the picture below. I see the superclamp also linked should fit the rail itself, but what do I need in addition to extend the mics upwards? I thought this would be easier to figure out, but no matter what I search for ("mic extension, mic boom", etc) I cant find just a basic extension for the mics. To clarify, I already have a clamp and clips for the mics, I just need something between the super clamp and the mic clamp. Any help would be apprecaited!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/kcfan/3342692942

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0018LQVIA/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

The reason you aren't finding what you need is that you need to search for lighting accessories (extension pole, or what have you); not mic accessories.  One of the first things I learned after joining up here is that professional, portable lighting rigging equipment is often better made and more versatile than products made specifically for microphones.  A big benefit is that the screw connections are typically 3/8"-16, which are much more beefy and less prone to cross-threading than 5/8" mic stand threads.

At any rate, here are some options:

1.  I have and use the ever-popular Manfrotto 099B (B&H) (Amazon), linked many times in this thread.  This will get you some serious height, up to 7.6 ft if necessary, though it is not a very compact option.  I typically use this for clamping onto a stage lip, or as a long boom pole (see my post earlier in this thread).

Note that you need a 5/8" stud to attach this pole to your SuperClamp, but if appears the version of the clamp you bought comes with one (not all of them do).

2. For a more compact option, I like the Impact Back Light Stand (B&H) (Amazon).  On the occasions I am clamping to a rail (at football stadiums recording marching bands), this is what I use.  The Impact setup is a great value, as you get a short extension pole and also an extremely strong folding base.  The updated version of this product allows you to mount the 5/8" stud at a right angle at one end, adding even more versatility.  No additional 5/8" stud necessary here, as there is a captive stud on one end and a removable one on the other.

3. Many people here like the Matthews Baby Stand Extension (B&H) (Amazon).  The advantage here is it collapses down very short and also extends quite far.  The disadvantage is that the top 5/8" stud is not threaded, so you will need to use a Rapid Adapter (B&H) (Amazon) to mount a threaded mic mount.  You also need a separate 5/8" stud to mount the bottom to your clamp, as is the case with the 099B pole.

4. If flexibility of angles is more important than height, consider a Articulated Arm, in two (B&H) (Amazon) or three (B&H) (Amazon) sections.  You will need a Rapid Adapter once again, but no lower stud.  Note that these are not rated to support very much weight.


If balcony rail is going to be your typical recording setup, I would go with option 2 or 3.


IMPORTANT: No matter what you get, don't forget a safety cable.  This should be considered mandatory for balcony rail setups.  You may think everything is clamped tight, until it suddenly isn't.  Don't risk the safety of people below, and damage to your mics.

EDIT: I just saw the other thread you started where you said that you need this quickly, and you are looking to buy from Amazon, so I went back and included Amazon links as well, if available.  FWIW, B&H ships very quickly if you are relatively close to the NYC area.
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« Reply #119 on: January 19, 2020, 04:41:00 PM »
Voltronic - Thanks a ton! I should have learned that "light stand" was the proper search term when I first started taping. I remember thinking that when I got my very first stand. Your suggestions and links were very helpful. I ended up going with the manfrotto super clamp and "Manfrotto Compact Aluminum 5-Section Monopod". Both appear to have 1/4" threads so they should work together. Part of the problem with searching for "mic extension" was that all the threads seemed to be different. Thanks again, I'll report back on how it goes.
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« Reply #120 on: January 20, 2020, 07:41:56 AM »
Voltronic - Thanks a ton! I should have learned that "light stand" was the proper search term when I first started taping. I remember thinking that when I got my very first stand. Your suggestions and links were very helpful. I ended up going with the manfrotto super clamp and "Manfrotto Compact Aluminum 5-Section Monopod". Both appear to have 1/4" threads so they should work together. Part of the problem with searching for "mic extension" was that all the threads seemed to be different. Thanks again, I'll report back on how it goes.

I highly suggest you cancel your order for the monopod immediately.  That is NOT what you want.  Yes, there is a 1/4" male stud on the monopod and a 1/4" female socket on the SuperClamp, but you are asking for that very short and narrow 1/4" screw to deal with a lot of stress it isn't meant to take.  Any lateral stress, for instance if your setup were to get bumped into, is a breakage risk.  That risk is even greater with an extended weight cantilevered out at an angle.  It doesn't work from a practical standpoint either, because there is no threaded connection on the other end.  You would need to put another clamp onto the other end (the foot of the monopod) that will have a 1/4" or 3/8" male thread to interface with your mic shockmount.  That adds more extended weight, making situation even worse for that 1/4" screw attached to your clamp.  The reviews on this monopod also indicate it isn't very well made for its intended purpose.

The setup you are proposing will not be safe for a balcony rail.  Please don't do this.

Any of the options I suggested will attach to the 5/8" socket on your SuperClamp.  That is a strong, reliable connection meant to take the load of heavy lighting equipment.  If the choices were a bit overwhelming, just go with the Impact 3 foot stand.


If you are having trouble picturing how all of this goes together, here is a good picture.  Note that all of these setups are using 5/8" studs into SuperClamps, except for the second from the left which is using a Matthews Matthelini clamp.  At least the first two on the left and the last on the right are using the Manfrotto 099B pole; the ones in the middle may be using something shorter like the Impact I recommended. 

As the poster points out, all of these people should be using safety cables as well.  With that (important) exception, this picture shows the way to do this properly.

Also, here is the parent post for Part I of this thread, with direct links to lots of helpful info.
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« Reply #121 on: January 23, 2020, 06:09:21 PM »
I love the SuperClamp, but even with the plastic insert, I am never fully confident attaching it to something flat on both sides like a chair arm.  The gripping surface on the lower jaw is very narrow, and on this occasion it was very hard to keep the clamp from slipping laterally on the chair arm.  I suppose I could have used a neoprene or rubber sheet, but I don't carry those with me.

After looking through all of the options from the typical rigging brands and not finding anything that looks better, I think I have found my upgrade.  Check out the video where you see the jaws articulating to fit different shaped surfaces.
https://9.solutions/portfolio-item/savior-clamp-socket/
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1426914-REG/9_solutions_9_xs1005b_savior_clamp_with_socket.html

Package arrived this evening.  First impression: WOW.  This thing is seriously strong, and extremely well designed.  I don't think I'll be using my SuperClamps much in the future.

As I get to use it a bit more, I plan on posting a full review with pictures.  More people need to know about this thing before they buy any rigging.
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« Reply #122 on: February 15, 2020, 02:58:49 PM »
Here is my review of the 9.Solutions Super Clamp with 5/8" socket.

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=193520.0
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« Reply #123 on: February 16, 2020, 01:58:31 PM »
This Triad-Orbit system looks intriguing.

https://www.triad-orbit.com/

A little spendy but great for only leaving a small base plate in clubs if they let you mount up. The synergy clamp looks very similar to the savior clamp from 9.solutions.
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« Reply #124 on: February 17, 2020, 02:01:35 PM »
Voltronic - Thanks a ton! I should have learned that "light stand" was the proper search term when I first started taping. I remember thinking that when I got my very first stand. Your suggestions and links were very helpful. I ended up going with the manfrotto super clamp and "Manfrotto Compact Aluminum 5-Section Monopod". Both appear to have 1/4" threads so they should work together. Part of the problem with searching for "mic extension" was that all the threads seemed to be different. Thanks again, I'll report back on how it goes.

I highly suggest you cancel your order for the monopod immediately.  That is NOT what you want.  Yes, there is a 1/4" male stud on the monopod and a 1/4" female socket on the SuperClamp, but you are asking for that very short and narrow 1/4" screw to deal with a lot of stress it isn't meant to take.  Any lateral stress, for instance if your setup were to get bumped into, is a breakage risk.  That risk is even greater with an extended weight cantilevered out at an angle.  It doesn't work from a practical standpoint either, because there is no threaded connection on the other end.  You would need to put another clamp onto the other end (the foot of the monopod) that will have a 1/4" or 3/8" male thread to interface with your mic shockmount.  That adds more extended weight, making situation even worse for that 1/4" screw attached to your clamp.  The reviews on this monopod also indicate it isn't very well made for its intended purpose.

The setup you are proposing will not be safe for a balcony rail.  Please don't do this.

Any of the options I suggested will attach to the 5/8" socket on your SuperClamp.  That is a strong, reliable connection meant to take the load of heavy lighting equipment.  If the choices were a bit overwhelming, just go with the Impact 3 foot stand.


If you are having trouble picturing how all of this goes together, here is a good picture.  Note that all of these setups are using 5/8" studs into SuperClamps, except for the second from the left which is using a Matthews Matthelini clamp.  At least the first two on the left and the last on the right are using the Manfrotto 099B pole; the ones in the middle may be using something shorter like the Impact I recommended. 

Sorry for the delayed response! I did in fact end up taping TTB with what I ordered, but you're correct that it's not the right item. It worked that night, but I was up in the last section of the balcony with only a walkway below me, not a GA floor. Since I only needed a short length that night it worked but I'm sending it back shortly. I only taped with my AT-853s that night which are very light. It seemed like my Naks would have been a little heavy for it...

I ended up going with the Matthews Baby Stand Extension and rapid adapter so I have options for a variety of heights. It seemed worth the little extra compared to the Impact stand to have an option of extra height. This was a little confusing because the Amazon listing didn't seem to have the adapter info. Your input helped with that, so thanks again! Will the stud that came with the superclamp suffice to connect the Matthews stand to the clamp?

BTW that picture is crazy. I'm surprised any venue would let us do that. Even with the very best clamping gear I wouldn't be comfortable with my mics extended out like that. I usually use a stand but when clamping in these situations I'm usually at the soundboard or have the mics in front of my seat.
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« Reply #125 on: February 17, 2020, 08:01:01 PM »
jagraham,

Yes, and standard stud will do it; just not any of the "short" studs.  I own a few of those, and only the threaded 1/4" or 3/8" screw protrudes beyond the 5/8" socket.

Also, FWIW you shouldn't just be concerned about your mics falling, but the extension pole and all other hardware.
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« Reply #126 on: February 17, 2020, 08:40:37 PM »
I use this one for baby extension to superclamp:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001E4L0CI/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Related question: anyone else notice/care that the sockets are slightly larger than the studs, so when tightened the stud is a bit out of perpendicular with the socket? I've tried to compensate by positioning the tightening screws at 180 degrees offset, but that is less than satisfying. Shimming the socket seems like a pita... This issue seems relevant to all sockets.

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« Reply #127 on: May 06, 2020, 08:19:05 PM »
Safety cable question:

Usual setup is superclamp > baby extension > rapid adapter > shock mount

Concerned that things could come apart at either end of the extension. So, where should the cable connect to? Lately been trying for both the extension and the rapid adapter.

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« Reply #128 on: May 07, 2020, 01:32:47 AM »
Concerned that things could come apart at either end of the extension. So, where should the cable connect to? Lately been trying for both the extension and the rapid adapter.
Something solid. In a situation where your safety cable is too short, you can double or triple up several cables, (loop them through their ends for max length), then chain as many as you require in order to get to the nearest point.
How about wrapping it around the base of your seat, or the armrest if there is nothing else?
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« Reply #129 on: May 07, 2020, 04:52:29 AM »

Related question: anyone else notice/care that the sockets are slightly larger than the studs, so when tightened the stud is a bit out of perpendicular with the socket? I've tried to compensate by positioning the tightening screws at 180 degrees offset, but that is less than satisfying. Shimming the socket seems like a pita... This issue seems relevant to all sockets.


This is one of several things I find are made with slightly tighter tolerances on the 9.Solutions Savior Clamp With Socket.  (And yes, I'm going to continue to sing the praises of that clamp on this board until you all buy one.)  ;)

I have sometimes wrapped a narrow strip of gaff tape around the narrow part of the 5/8" stud, just to give the grub screw something more to bite into, which helps it feel a bit more secure, but doesn't help the "off-center" nature, which is due to the hex ends being loose in the socket.
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