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Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« on: March 01, 2019, 10:17:07 AM »
Anyone have this?

The reviews say it's a fairly big upgrade over the ZS100 - to include the ability to 4K clips for up to 45 mins (and Full HD clips for 50 mins), and bit rates top out at 100 Mbps.

One of the reviews listed some video samples, and I noticed the clip suffered the same focus issue that I had when I owned my last Panasonic Lumix cam, which is that it briefly goes out of focus when you zoom in/out.  You can see that in this clip at around the ten second mark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPbj8dkg0dE

I really want a point-and-shoot that can film in 4K.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2019, 07:41:44 AM by guitard »
Mics: CA-11 (omnis and cards), AT853 cards, DPA 4060 omnis
Pre-amps: CA-UGLY II & CA-9100
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Video: Sony FDR AX100 (4K), Pany ZS100 (4K) & Sony DSC HX50V (HD)
Photo: Canon EOS 60D

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2019, 03:37:30 PM »
I've had this cam for 10 months now. Amazing camera, but worse quality in very low light than the ZS100. Still an amazing upgrade as the zoom has been increased alot. Still sucks that Panasonic crops more in 4k, but at least that gives more zoom and therefore makes the I. Zoom mostly obsolete.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2019, 09:48:39 PM »
I've read conflicting reports about the recording length in 4K.  Some say it's 15 minutes, but others say it's longer.
Mics: CA-11 (omnis and cards), AT853 cards, DPA 4060 omnis
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2019, 12:31:53 AM »
I've read conflicting reports about the recording length in 4K.  Some say it's 15 minutes, but others say it's longer.

The ZS200 is not as good in low light as the ZS100.
There is a very easy hack to get unlimited video from the ZS100. Shoot until the battery dies.
I have hundreds of hours of 90+ minutes single files. It has never overheated or caused an issue.
The only concern now is the less than 2 hour battery life.

Just about every video here for the past 2 years is with Multiple ZS100's - https://www.youtube.com/user/datflys
In the past 6 months I also used GoPro 5 a few times & now use DJI Pocket Osmo for stage use.
It's freaking amazing.  It's small & compact & tracks the performer. - Sample - https://youtu.be/jn3mlQBbU-Y?t=168
« Last Edit: March 03, 2019, 12:41:23 AM by Datfly »
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Panasonic ZS100 4K X 3
Sony AX100 4K | Sony NX80 4K | Sony AX700 Camcorders
Canon 5D MK III
Canon 300 2.8 IS II | Canon 70-200 2.8 IS II | Canon 24-70 2.8 II | Canon 16-35 4.0

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2019, 12:42:39 PM »
I also used GoPro 5 a few times & now use DJI Pocket Osmo for stage use.
It's freaking amazing.  It's small & compact & tracks the performer. - Sample - https://youtu.be/jn3mlQBbU-Y?t=168

Is that the Osmo on a stand next to the stage monitor that's about knee high with Tab?  I assume you go into pro mode and adjust your settings.  What settings did you use (in particular I'm curious about exposure)?  Is any of this footage shot with the ZS100?  Does the ZS100 have any issues with "searching" for a split second and going out of focus when you zoom in or out?  And is the video hack good for unlimited 4K? 
Mics: CA-11 (omnis and cards), AT853 cards, DPA 4060 omnis
Pre-amps: CA-UGLY II & CA-9100
Decks: Edirol R-07 & Edirol R-09HR

Video: Sony FDR AX100 (4K), Pany ZS100 (4K) & Sony DSC HX50V (HD)
Photo: Canon EOS 60D

A/V software: Sony Vegas Pro 13.0 (build 453) 64 bit / DVD Architect Pro 6.0 (build 237)

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2019, 01:54:28 PM »
I also used GoPro 5 a few times & now use DJI Pocket Osmo for stage use.
It's freaking amazing.  It's small & compact & tracks the performer. - Sample - https://youtu.be/jn3mlQBbU-Y?t=168

Is that the Osmo on a stand next to the stage monitor that's about knee high with Tab?  I assume you go into pro mode and adjust your settings.  What settings did you use (in particular I'm curious about exposure)?  Is any of this footage shot with the ZS100?  Does the ZS100 have any issues with "searching" for a split second and going out of focus when you zoom in or out?  And is the video hack good for unlimited 4K?

That is the osmo on the stand. Yes, Pro Mode.
This footage is shot with 3 ZS100's - 1 Osmo & A Sony 4K (not mine) mounted on a pole.
I set the Osmo ISO at 200 & adjust SS for exposure.

My only issue is trying to get the color to match the ZS100's - The osmo has more natural color capture & the ZS100's colors are more saturated.
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Panasonic ZS100 4K X 3
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2019, 02:42:17 PM »
This footage is shot with 3 ZS100's

I see you're filming in 4K.  So what about the recording limit hack for the ZS100 - are all your ZS100 clips limited to 15 minutes, or were you able to hack the cams to film longer clips in 4K?
Mics: CA-11 (omnis and cards), AT853 cards, DPA 4060 omnis
Pre-amps: CA-UGLY II & CA-9100
Decks: Edirol R-07 & Edirol R-09HR

Video: Sony FDR AX100 (4K), Pany ZS100 (4K) & Sony DSC HX50V (HD)
Photo: Canon EOS 60D

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2019, 03:35:13 PM »
This footage is shot with 3 ZS100's

I see you're filming in 4K.  So what about the recording limit hack for the ZS100 - are all your ZS100 clips limited to 15 minutes, or were you able to hack the cams to film longer clips in 4K?
A super easy "push a few buttons" hack will give you until your card runs out or your battery dies for the ZS100 all in 4K - One big 70+ GB file.

This basically the hack. I can PM you the fine tuned version for the ZS100
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxmVDdU1xf0
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2019, 03:44:22 PM »
This footage is shot with 3 ZS100's

I see you're filming in 4K.  So what about the recording limit hack for the ZS100 - are all your ZS100 clips limited to 15 minutes, or were you able to hack the cams to film longer clips in 4K?
A super easy "push a few buttons" hack will give you until your card runs out or your battery dies for the ZS100 all in 4K - One big 70+ GB file.

This basically the hack. I can PM you the fine tuned version for the ZS100
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxmVDdU1xf0

PM with the fine tuned hack would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!
Mics: CA-11 (omnis and cards), AT853 cards, DPA 4060 omnis
Pre-amps: CA-UGLY II & CA-9100
Decks: Edirol R-07 & Edirol R-09HR

Video: Sony FDR AX100 (4K), Pany ZS100 (4K) & Sony DSC HX50V (HD)
Photo: Canon EOS 60D

A/V software: Sony Vegas Pro 13.0 (build 453) 64 bit / DVD Architect Pro 6.0 (build 237)

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2019, 04:52:25 AM »
I would also welcome a PM with the hack. There's been a few times shooting video of a concert where a band plays an extended medley I reach 13 minutes and start muttering to myself, "Please end the song. Please end the song.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2019, 08:08:05 PM »
I just bought one (ZS100)...got that hack, but any other tips?

I put into 4K 30P
Need to figure out best exposure setting and any other settings...

Concert tomorrow
Audio: Sound Professionals SP-CMC-10 (AT933s) or Church Audio CA-14 (Omni & Cards) Mics >
Sound Professionals Battery Box SP-SPSB-1, SP-SPSB-10 or Church Audio Preamp CA9200 >
Sony PCM-A10, Sony PCM-M10, Tascam DR-2d Recorders
Video: Panasonic DCM-ZS100 & GoPro 7 Black

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2019, 01:35:58 AM »
I just bought one (ZS100)...got that hack, but any other tips?

I put into 4K 30P
Need to figure out best exposure setting and any other settings...

Concert tomorrow

Below are a few of my settings.
Doing this allows you to set a custom function that has exposure control just below your right thumb...super easy quick access and you can adjust it while filming.
The other allows you to have ISO setting right below your thumb as well. All the control you need right there at your thumb tip....

Wrench/C Menu:

Screen 1: Silent mode > on
Screen 2: No Change
Screen 3: Direct focus area > on
Screen 4: Gridline > on
Screen 5: Highlight > on
     zebra pattern > on
Screen 6: No Change
Screen 7: FN Button Set >
     Settings in Record Mode >
     F1 Button (Exposure compensation: on screen #12)
     F2 Button  ISO (On Screen #5)
Screen 8: Eye sensor > LVF/Monitor switch > Monitor
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Cables: Nbob Actives V1
Recorders: Zoom H6 X 2 & Tascam DR-2d x 2
Panasonic ZS100 4K X 3
Sony AX100 4K | Sony NX80 4K | Sony AX700 Camcorders
Canon 5D MK III
Canon 300 2.8 IS II | Canon 70-200 2.8 IS II | Canon 24-70 2.8 II | Canon 16-35 4.0

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2019, 05:36:24 AM »
Interesting topic. Checking in to follow
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2019, 05:46:35 AM »
has exposure control just below your right thumb...super easy quick access and you can adjust it while filming.

Wow!  Never heard of being able to make changes on the fly with a point-and-shoot.  This is great news.
Mics: CA-11 (omnis and cards), AT853 cards, DPA 4060 omnis
Pre-amps: CA-UGLY II & CA-9100
Decks: Edirol R-07 & Edirol R-09HR

Video: Sony FDR AX100 (4K), Pany ZS100 (4K) & Sony DSC HX50V (HD)
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2019, 09:55:15 AM »
has exposure control just below your right thumb...super easy quick access and you can adjust it while filming.

Wow!  Never heard of being able to make changes on the fly with a point-and-shoot.  This is great news.

Yes, but only while in 4K mode.
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Panasonic ZS100 4K X 3
Sony AX100 4K | Sony NX80 4K | Sony AX700 Camcorders
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2019, 10:57:26 AM »
Set those for tonight.

Does it always give you the warning triangle when you turn it off?
Since the aperture changes as you zoom does that effect exposure?
No stabilizer at 4K? (True?)
How long should I expect ONE battery to last (No way to get a minutes left on battery on screen?)
Audio: Sound Professionals SP-CMC-10 (AT933s) or Church Audio CA-14 (Omni & Cards) Mics >
Sound Professionals Battery Box SP-SPSB-1, SP-SPSB-10 or Church Audio Preamp CA9200 >
Sony PCM-A10, Sony PCM-M10, Tascam DR-2d Recorders
Video: Panasonic DCM-ZS100 & GoPro 7 Black

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2019, 11:11:56 AM »
Set those for tonight.

Does it always give you the warning triangle when you turn it off?
Since the aperture changes as you zoom does that effect exposure?
No stabilizer at 4K? (True?)
How long should I expect ONE battery to last (No way to get a minutes left on battery on screen?)

Yes, you always get the triangle.
It  does effect  the exposure slightly. The exposure button under your thumb fixes that instantly if needed.
No stabilizer in 4K sadly.
90 min - maybe a bit more depending on zooming etc...
Schoeps MK41's
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Cables: Nbob Actives V1
Recorders: Zoom H6 X 2 & Tascam DR-2d x 2
Panasonic ZS100 4K X 3
Sony AX100 4K | Sony NX80 4K | Sony AX700 Camcorders
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2019, 11:15:30 AM »
Thanks! This may be the one to FINALLY replace my HX9V...lol

I am bummed about no stabilizer but we will see tonight.
Audio: Sound Professionals SP-CMC-10 (AT933s) or Church Audio CA-14 (Omni & Cards) Mics >
Sound Professionals Battery Box SP-SPSB-1, SP-SPSB-10 or Church Audio Preamp CA9200 >
Sony PCM-A10, Sony PCM-M10, Tascam DR-2d Recorders
Video: Panasonic DCM-ZS100 & GoPro 7 Black

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2019, 11:29:55 AM »
Put you mic setting on high wind...helps with cleaner audio for loud shows.
Here's my complete set up. Scroll through & pick & choose what you like.
If you have any other suggestion I might have missed in set up lmk!

ZS100 Camera Settings:


SET TOP DIAL ON CAMERA TO THE VIDEO CAMERA ICON/M mode:

Video Camera Icon Menu:

screen 1: Record format > MP4 for PC or Other for MAC
Screen 2: Record quality > 4k/30 p
     AF mode > facial recognition
Screen 3: AFF
     Continue AF > on
Screen 4: No change
Screen 5: Silent operation > on
     Wind noise canceller > high
   

Wrench/C Menu:

Screen 1: Silent mode > on
Screen 2: No Change
Screen 3: Direct focus area > on
Screen 4: Gridline > on
Screen 5: Highlight > on
     zebra pattern > on
Screen 6: No Change
Screen 7: FN Button Set >
     Settings in Record Mode >
     F1 Button (Exposure compensation: on screen #12)
     F2 Button  ISO (On Screen #5)
Screen 8: Eye sensor > LVF/Monitor switch > Monitor



PUT TOP DIAL ON CAMERA ON (M) MANUAL MODE:

Screen 1: Aspect ratio > 3.2
     Picture Size > L20
     Quality > RAW + .JPG SF
Screen 2: AF Mode > Facial Recognition
     AFF
Screen 3: No Change
Screen 4: No Change
Screen 5: No Change
Screen 6: ISO Increments > 1/3
Screen 7: No Change
Screen 8: Stabilizer > ON
Schoeps MK41's
Pre-Amps: Naiant Tinybox 2.2 o/t 
Cables: Nbob Actives V1
Recorders: Zoom H6 X 2 & Tascam DR-2d x 2
Panasonic ZS100 4K X 3
Sony AX100 4K | Sony NX80 4K | Sony AX700 Camcorders
Canon 5D MK III
Canon 300 2.8 IS II | Canon 70-200 2.8 IS II | Canon 24-70 2.8 II | Canon 16-35 4.0

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2019, 11:39:16 AM »
So for those Wrench C settings, the dial on top is on C?

I did that.
Audio: Sound Professionals SP-CMC-10 (AT933s) or Church Audio CA-14 (Omni & Cards) Mics >
Sound Professionals Battery Box SP-SPSB-1, SP-SPSB-10 or Church Audio Preamp CA9200 >
Sony PCM-A10, Sony PCM-M10, Tascam DR-2d Recorders
Video: Panasonic DCM-ZS100 & GoPro 7 Black

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2019, 11:44:49 AM »
So for those Wrench C settings, the dial on top is on C?

I did that.

When you hit the menu button the 5 icons on the left of the screen will each
lead to a setting.

1  - camera
2 - video
3 - Wrench-C
4- Wrench
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Schoeps MK41's
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Cables: Nbob Actives V1
Recorders: Zoom H6 X 2 & Tascam DR-2d x 2
Panasonic ZS100 4K X 3
Sony AX100 4K | Sony NX80 4K | Sony AX700 Camcorders
Canon 5D MK III
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2019, 11:50:11 AM »
So for those Wrench C settings, the dial on top is on C?

I did that.

Always put the top dial on the Video Camera/M icon to shoot 4K on the camera.
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Cables: Nbob Actives V1
Recorders: Zoom H6 X 2 & Tascam DR-2d x 2
Panasonic ZS100 4K X 3
Sony AX100 4K | Sony NX80 4K | Sony AX700 Camcorders
Canon 5D MK III
Canon 300 2.8 IS II | Canon 70-200 2.8 IS II | Canon 24-70 2.8 II | Canon 16-35 4.0

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2019, 12:26:25 PM »
So handheld at 370mm, no stabilizer...ummm. Does anyone use stabilizing in post? I have tried it in Vegas 13, and it helps, but wondering how much it effects the final quality.
Audio: Sound Professionals SP-CMC-10 (AT933s) or Church Audio CA-14 (Omni & Cards) Mics >
Sound Professionals Battery Box SP-SPSB-1, SP-SPSB-10 or Church Audio Preamp CA9200 >
Sony PCM-A10, Sony PCM-M10, Tascam DR-2d Recorders
Video: Panasonic DCM-ZS100 & GoPro 7 Black

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2019, 03:27:19 PM »
How long should I expect ONE battery to last (No way to get a minutes left on battery on screen?)

90 min - maybe a bit more depending on zooming etc...

Any difference in OEM battery life vs Wasabi Power batteries?
Mics: CA-11 (omnis and cards), AT853 cards, DPA 4060 omnis
Pre-amps: CA-UGLY II & CA-9100
Decks: Edirol R-07 & Edirol R-09HR

Video: Sony FDR AX100 (4K), Pany ZS100 (4K) & Sony DSC HX50V (HD)
Photo: Canon EOS 60D

A/V software: Sony Vegas Pro 13.0 (build 453) 64 bit / DVD Architect Pro 6.0 (build 237)

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2019, 03:35:53 PM »
So handheld at 370mm, no stabilizer...ummm. Does anyone use stabilizing in post? I have tried it in Vegas 13, and it helps, but wondering how much it effects the final quality.

I've tried a few of them over the years and never got a result that I thought was worth the trouble.  It always seemed like a double edged sword ... the stabilizer fixes one problem ... but creates another (equally or more) annoying problem.

How far from the stage will you be shooting?  I just bought it and haven't used it yet, but I plan on using the ZS100 when I'm somewhere other than the cheap seats.  If I'm in the cheap seats where security is much less of a concern, I will film with my camcorder (Sony AX100).
Mics: CA-11 (omnis and cards), AT853 cards, DPA 4060 omnis
Pre-amps: CA-UGLY II & CA-9100
Decks: Edirol R-07 & Edirol R-09HR

Video: Sony FDR AX100 (4K), Pany ZS100 (4K) & Sony DSC HX50V (HD)
Photo: Canon EOS 60D

A/V software: Sony Vegas Pro 13.0 (build 453) 64 bit / DVD Architect Pro 6.0 (build 237)

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2019, 07:33:55 PM »
How long should I expect ONE battery to last (No way to get a minutes left on battery on screen?)

90 min - maybe a bit more depending on zooming etc...

Any difference in OEM battery life vs Wasabi Power batteries?

I have only used OEM's as I learned years ago with my 35mm camera that the non OEM's usually
let me down at critical moments.
Schoeps MK41's
Pre-Amps: Naiant Tinybox 2.2 o/t 
Cables: Nbob Actives V1
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2019, 12:42:41 PM »
So I was pretty impressed. No stabilizer wasn't much of an issue, even zoomed all the way in. (Granted I had a rail) House of Blues had the stage majorly backlit, so I had it on ISO800 and about plus 2 exposure. The footage looks a little grainy but sharp. The grain goes away as soon as the stage is lit. I chose to change to manual focus and used the button to occasionally have it auto focus.

Is there a way to lock the aperture in video to 5.8 so it stays more constant? It was brighter when I zoom out, and I don't want to have to keep adjusting the exposure. And any tricks to reduce the grain or should I just worry about that in post (or chock it up to the poor performer lighting?) I will post a video shortly once it's rendered.

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2019, 01:45:08 PM »
Great thread, thanks for the tips shared in here. Might finally pick up a ZS100 at some point. For pics only the Sony HX90 does a pretty decent job in manual mode.

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2019, 03:34:04 PM »

Is there a way to lock the aperture in video to 5.8 so it stays more constant?

If you put it in Aperture Priority Mode (A on dial) you can set the aperture wherever you want and it will stay constant.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2019, 07:02:50 PM »
Here is my first attempt

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppKXQHuZ5iQ


This was 800iso, so I will try and get down to 400, and expose it up as much as I can. Again, super backlit too.

I use Vegas to output, any suggested bitrate to keep it from being massive uploads? (I am exporting at 4K 50,000,000 bit rate...)
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2019, 06:48:09 AM »
Nice, what's the audio source ?

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2019, 11:38:45 AM »
How long should I expect ONE battery to last (No way to get a minutes left on battery on screen?)

90 min - maybe a bit more depending on zooming etc...

Any difference in OEM battery life vs Wasabi Power batteries?

I have only used OEM's as I learned years ago with my 35mm camera that the non OEM's usually
let me down at critical moments.

I currently use a Wasabi with a Lumix GH3.
I can't tell any difference between it and OEM.
YMMV.

I've had other 3rd party batteries that were terrible.
I also prefer to stick with OEM batteries..  but the Wasabi came in a package deal and it's been solid.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2019, 04:47:08 PM »
I probably should have titled this post "Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS100" instead of "Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200."  :bigsmile:
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2019, 01:08:55 PM »
Ordered a ZS100 this week at Amazon.  FedEx left it at the door ... but it's no where to be found.  Fucking package thieves.  Amazon quickly provided a full refund though.  Ugg ...
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2019, 05:17:36 PM »
Nice, what's the audio source ?

That clip of mine is just the camera audio. Nice upgrade over the Sony I had as well. My videos labeled "HQ Audio" have dubbed audio from a separate source.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #35 on: April 03, 2019, 07:56:52 AM »
Just a couple of questions. 

Put you mic setting on high wind...helps with cleaner audio for loud shows.
Here's my complete set up. Scroll through & pick & choose what you like.
If you have any other suggestion I might have missed in set up lmk!

ZS100 Camera Settings:


SET TOP DIAL ON CAMERA TO THE VIDEO CAMERA ICON/M mode:

Video Camera Icon Menu:

screen 1: Record format > MP4 for PC or Other for MAC
Screen 2: Record quality > 4k/30 p
     AF mode > facial recognition
Screen 3: AFF
     Continue AF > on
Screen 4: No change
Screen 5: Silent operation > on
     Wind noise canceller > high
   

Wrench/C Menu:

Screen 1: Silent mode > on
Screen 2: No Change
Screen 3: Direct focus area > on
Screen 4: Gridline > on -- I see "guide line" but not "gridline"
Screen 5: Highlight > on
     zebra pattern > on -- there is zebra pattern 1 and zebra pattern 2 - does it make any difference which one you choose?
Screen 6: No Change
Screen 7: FN Button Set >
     Settings in Record Mode >
     F1 Button (Exposure compensation: on screen #12)
     F2 Button  ISO (On Screen #5)
Screen 8: Eye sensor > LVF/Monitor switch > Monitor



PUT TOP DIAL ON CAMERA ON (M) MANUAL MODE:

Screen 1: Aspect ratio > 3.2
     Picture Size > L20
     Quality > RAW + .JPG SF
Screen 2: AF Mode > Facial Recognition
     AFF
Screen 3: No Change
Screen 4: No Change
Screen 5: No Change
Screen 6: ISO Increments > 1/3
Screen 7: No Change
Screen 8: Stabilizer > ON -- I see two different stabilization options "up & down" and "vertical & horizontal" - which one should I choose?

Also I stumbled upon a potentially helpful feature:  if you tap the "DISP" button on the lower right four times while you are filming, the LED screen turns off, but the camera keeps recording.  One more tap and it turns back on.  Might come in handy if security is hassling you.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #36 on: April 03, 2019, 08:48:44 AM »
Screen 7: FN Button Set >
     Settings in Record Mode >
     F1 Button (Exposure compensation: on screen #12)
     F2 Button  ISO (On Screen #5)

Could you please explain ISO when shooting concerts vids with the ZS100?  I understand how exposure works, but I'm shaky on the ISO adjustments.  Thanks.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #37 on: April 03, 2019, 10:44:04 PM »
ISO is, in an extremely simplified way, helping raise or lower brightness in your image. Lower ISO values, lets say 100-400, are general used in situations where lighting is very good. Situations like direct sunlight, or other well-lit scenarios. Higher ISO values, 800-6400 (or higher depending on your camera), are normally used when lighting is low to poor. For example, dusk, indoor lightning, concerts. Lower ISO values have a cleaner image if used correctly with aperature and exposure. Higher ISO values will create "noise" in the image; that grainy, red speckled image that occurs when the sensor is working hard to process the image. Hope that helps explain it somewhat!
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2019, 08:20:54 AM »
One thing I've noticed about the ZS100 is that it doesn't have "grippy" contact points in the spots where your fingers typically come in contact with the camera while you're holding it.  I'm going to try a couple of things to remedy this:

https://www.amazon.com/dragon-Grips-Adhesive-Backed-Rubber/dp/B07GJV6HYC

I'll likely affix a small piece of grip tape for my left index finger above the viewfinder (being careful not to cover the left mic input) and maybe another piece on the bottom of the camera for my left thumb.  I'll also put a piece on the front of the camera where my right index and middle fingers typically grip the camera, and possibly another very small piece for my right thumb to the left of the Fn1 button and above the Fn2 button. 

Alternatively, I'm also thinking about getting a "Flipbac FBG3 Camera Grip" for the front of the camera:

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #39 on: April 05, 2019, 11:27:16 AM »
Got the grip tape in today's mail.  Definitely feels less slippery.  Here's how it looks with it applied:





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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #40 on: April 06, 2019, 10:13:03 AM »
In a pinch, gaff tape can work as "grip tape" too.  Makes a camera less slippery.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #41 on: April 06, 2019, 10:30:00 AM »
For the life of me, I can't remember how to get to manual focus while shooting 4K video.  I had it working once, but got to it while trying various combinations of buttons and can't remember how I got there.  Using the right index finger to turn the control ring is really easy and I think being able to shoot with manual focus during shows could really be beneficial at times.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #42 on: April 20, 2019, 05:25:48 AM »
Has anyone run into an issue with the electronic viewfinder of the ZS100 suddenly turning white. It's not affecting the video or photos being shot/recorded. It's just that suddenly a wash of white covers the EVF when use the zoom.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #43 on: May 06, 2019, 01:30:29 PM »
How long should I expect ONE battery to last (No way to get a minutes left on battery on screen?)

90 min - maybe a bit more depending on zooming etc...

Any difference in OEM battery life vs Wasabi Power batteries?

I have only used OEM's as I learned years ago with my 35mm camera that the non OEM's usually
let me down at critical moments.

I currently use a Wasabi with a Lumix GH3.
I can't tell any difference between it and OEM.
YMMV.

I've had other 3rd party batteries that were terrible.
I also prefer to stick with OEM batteries..  but the Wasabi came in a package deal and it's been solid.

Just a bit of a follow-up regarding batteries ...

I recorded a show the other night with a Wasabi battery and stopped after 1hr 39 mins of continuous recording in 4K, that included frequent zooms in/out.  The camera was still running fine but I knew the battery must be running low, so I decided to make the switch.  I followed that with another 1 hr 10 mins of recording.  I've recorded in 4K for ~3 hrs continuously (minus 30 sec battery change) several times now without any problems at all.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #44 on: May 31, 2019, 08:41:26 PM »
This footage is shot with 3 ZS100's

I see you're filming in 4K.  So what about the recording limit hack for the ZS100 - are all your ZS100 clips limited to 15 minutes, or were you able to hack the cams to film longer clips in 4K?
A super easy "push a few buttons" hack will give you until your card runs out or your battery dies for the ZS100 all in 4K - One big 70+ GB file.

This basically the hack. I can PM you the fine tuned version for the ZS100
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxmVDdU1xf0

does it work for the zs200 as well?
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #45 on: June 02, 2019, 02:20:46 PM »
How long should I expect ONE battery to last (No way to get a minutes left on battery on screen?)

90 min - maybe a bit more depending on zooming etc...

Any difference in OEM battery life vs Wasabi Power batteries?

I got 90 minutes, get maybe 5-8 minutes more on the Panny ones
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #46 on: June 04, 2019, 06:51:11 PM »
This footage is shot with 3 ZS100's

I see you're filming in 4K.  So what about the recording limit hack for the ZS100 - are all your ZS100 clips limited to 15 minutes, or were you able to hack the cams to film longer clips in 4K?
A super easy "push a few buttons" hack will give you until your card runs out or your battery dies for the ZS100 all in 4K - One big 70+ GB file.

This basically the hack. I can PM you the fine tuned version for the ZS100
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxmVDdU1xf0

does it work for the zs200 as well?

So far - no known hack for the ZS200.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #47 on: June 06, 2019, 04:55:47 PM »
Thanks for the reply! Maybe i'll go for a zs100 then
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #48 on: July 31, 2019, 05:26:18 PM »
Hey man, long time no see! (I think it was the Jeff Beck show in Cinci with Finatic a few years ago.)

I got the Lumix FZ300 and have been pretty happy with it so far, though I'm still on a learning curve to find the best settings for video.  Recording time limit is dependent on which format you're shooting in (AVCHD, MP4, 4K), but is generally 20-30 minutes, so it's easy enough to find a spot between songs in that time frame to stop and quickly re-start the recording.

Here's a video from the King's X show Finatic and I recorded a couple of weeks ago.  He was on the right side by Ty Tabor with a Canon G20 camcorder and I was using my Lumix on Doug's side.  Audio is from my Lumix with no external mic --not great, but not bad considering how loud the show was.  I think the picture quality of the Lumix is superior to the Canon, and I recorded out in the open with a monopod while Finatic had his camcorder concealed under a t-shirt.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTO7x9sDFFM

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #49 on: August 01, 2019, 07:52:42 AM »
Hey man, long time no see! (I think it was the Jeff Beck show in Cinci with Finatic a few years ago.)

Long time indeed!  I'm pretty sure that was the 2010 show at PNC Pavilion. 

I got the Lumix FZ300 ... Recording time limit is dependent on which format you're shooting in (AVCHD, MP4, 4K), but is generally 20-30 minutes, so it's easy enough to find a spot between songs in that time frame to stop and quickly re-start the recording.

I've become spoiled being able to shoot 90+ minute clips in 4K with the ZS100.  I doubt I'll ever go back to a camera with a time limit.

Here's a video from the King's X show ... I was using my Lumix on Doug's side.  I think the picture quality of the Lumix is superior to the Canon, and I recorded out in the open with a monopod

I agree that the picture quality of the Lumix is better.  I'm kind of surprised they let you use a monopod. 

Finatic had his camcorder concealed under a t-shirt.

It's almost silly that they still ban camcorders but allow you to have a point-and-shoot camera that can shoot amazing quality video in 4K.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #50 on: August 01, 2019, 10:16:04 PM »
Finatic had his camcorder concealed under a t-shirt.

It's almost silly that they still ban camcorders but allow you to have a point-and-shoot camera that can shoot amazing quality video in 4K.
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...and they let people stand there recording the whole show with their phones... but they see someone with a camcorder and lose their minds.  Makes no sense at all.

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #51 on: August 03, 2019, 04:18:18 AM »
Finatic had his camcorder concealed under a t-shirt.

It's almost silly that they still ban camcorders but allow you to have a point-and-shoot camera that can shoot amazing quality video in 4K.

...and they let people stand there recording the whole show with their phones... but they see someone with a camcorder and lose their minds.  Makes no sense at all.
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I agree. I've had this happen at a show in Glasgow, Scotland.

Brought in my camcorder (12 times zoom) and photocam (30 times zoom, better quality). I started with my camcorder (I like filming with it better than with a photocam), got caught.
Asked the security guy if filming with the photocam was OK. He said: "sure no problem. Camcorders are not allowed, photocams are OK"

Crazy.

Taped the whole show with great results.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #52 on: August 07, 2019, 05:10:28 PM »
Just bought a Panasonic tz100. How storage do I need for filming 2 hours in 4K?

I'm using 64GB cards now- for HD-  but I think 128GB is better, right?
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #53 on: August 07, 2019, 11:46:58 PM »
Just bought a Panasonic tz100. How storage do I need for filming 2 hours in 4K?

I just recorded some video tonight with my TS100.  One clip ran 1 hr 4 mins and is 42GB.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #54 on: August 08, 2019, 06:24:02 PM »
Just bought a Panasonic tz100. How storage do I need for filming 2 hours in 4K?

I just recorded some video tonight with my TS100.  One clip ran 1 hr 4 mins and is 42GB.

And a quick note about this 1 hr 4 minute clip.  I recorded it with a freshly charged battery - that died after an hour and four minutes.  I get much better battery life from OEM and Wasabi Power batteries.  This is the one that only lasted an hour and four minutes:

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #55 on: August 18, 2019, 10:16:21 AM »
Another must have setting for the ZS100 that I forgot to add is you can do 1/3 increments instead of full stops on ISO while shooting.

To set this put the top camera dial in P mode.
Select the top Icon of the Camera (not video camera) go to screen 6 (of 8) and select ISO Increments.
This setting will carry over to shooting video as well.

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #56 on: August 18, 2019, 12:42:22 PM »
Another must have setting for the ZS100 that I forgot to add is you can do 1/3 increments instead of full stops on ISO while shooting.

To set this put the top camera dial in P mode.
Select the top Icon of the Camera (not video camera) go to screen 6 (of 8) and select ISO Increments.
This setting will carry over to shooting video as well.

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Is the 1/3 increments the default setting?  My camera is already set at 1/3 increments, but I don't remember ever changing it.

One other question - I have got my camera set on manual focus (which I generally prefer).  For the life of me, I can't figure out how to get back to auto-focus.  Do you know how get the camera back on auto-focus without having to reset all the settings?
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #57 on: August 21, 2019, 11:09:00 AM »
Has anyone tryed a battery hack? It should be child's play to open a battery and make a dummy
to run off external usb power. I think me and Nicky C can make these and sell them if there is enough interest.
I get max 100 minutes on my best batteries. I hate having to take a camera down from a mounted position to change out the battery.
Lets get this project going!
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #58 on: August 21, 2019, 01:43:19 PM »
Check online.  I found an aftermarket battery dummy/adapter for my Panasonic FZ2500.  It was cheap and works great.

Has anyone tryed a battery hack? It should be child's play to open a battery and make a dummy
to run off external usb power. I think me and Nicky C can make these and sell them if there is enough interest.
I get max 100 minutes on my best batteries. I hate having to take a camera down from a mounted position to change out the battery.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #59 on: August 21, 2019, 07:08:44 PM »
Has anyone tryed a battery hack? It should be child's play to open a battery and make a dummy
to run off external usb power. I think me and Nicky C can make these and sell them if there is enough interest.
I get max 100 minutes on my best batteries. I hate having to take a camera down from a mounted position to change out the battery.
Lets get this project going!

I just bought the battery>2xUSB cable and can run the camera off a massive external battery pack.

This
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0781DGN6F/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Plus this
https://www.amazon.com/Anker-PowerCore-Ultra-Portable-VoltageBoost-Technology/dp/B07HBWF1K8/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=anker+13000&qid=1566428880&s=gateway&sr=8-3

(Or any 2 USB Battery pack)
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #60 on: August 21, 2019, 08:18:07 PM »
Has anyone tryed a battery hack? It should be child's play to open a battery and make a dummy
to run off external usb power. I think me and Nicky C can make these and sell them if there is enough interest.
I get max 100 minutes on my best batteries. I hate having to take a camera down from a mounted position to change out the battery.
Lets get this project going!

I just bought the battery>2xUSB cable and can run the camera off a massive external battery pack.

Nice tip Chris - I just ordered the coupler USB power kit with the dummy battery.  I really hate lugging even more gear around than I already am, but that is just too good to pass up.  Especially when I'm filming open and using the ZS100 as B roll cam.  Put a 256GB card in it, hook it up to a couple of power packs and let it run for the next 4-5 hours filming in 4K.  Can't beat that with a stick.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #61 on: August 22, 2019, 09:29:38 AM »
Has anyone tryed a battery hack? It should be child's play to open a battery and make a dummy
to run off external usb power. I think me and Nicky C can make these and sell them if there is enough interest.
I get max 100 minutes on my best batteries. I hate having to take a camera down from a mounted position to change out the battery.
Lets get this project going!

I just bought the battery>2xUSB cable and can run the camera off a massive external battery pack.

This
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0781DGN6F/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Plus this
https://www.amazon.com/Anker-PowerCore-Ultra-Portable-VoltageBoost-Technology/dp/B07HBWF1K8/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=anker+13000&qid=1566428880&s=gateway&sr=8-3

(Or any 2 USB Battery pack)

Thanks, just bought two.
It works with zs 100 right?
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #62 on: August 26, 2019, 08:18:25 PM »
Has anyone tryed a battery hack? It should be child's play to open a battery and make a dummy
to run off external usb power. I think me and Nicky C can make these and sell them if there is enough interest.
I get max 100 minutes on my best batteries. I hate having to take a camera down from a mounted position to change out the battery.
Lets get this project going!

I just bought the battery>2xUSB cable and can run the camera off a massive external battery pack.

This
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0781DGN6F/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Plus this
https://www.amazon.com/Anker-PowerCore-Ultra-Portable-VoltageBoost-Technology/dp/B07HBWF1K8/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=anker+13000&qid=1566428880&s=gateway&sr=8-3

(Or any 2 USB Battery pack)

Thanks, just bought two.
It works with zs 100 right?

Just got mine, works perfect, just have to grind out a little space for cable, thanks for the info
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #63 on: August 27, 2019, 09:08:46 AM »
Just got mine, works perfect, just have to grind out a little space for cable, thanks for the info

Ed - did you cut a little slot into the camera body into which you can insert the wire and close the battery compartment?  Seems like a good idea since it doesn't take much pressure on the internal latch (for the battery itself) to unhinge.

If this is what you did, please post a pic.  Thx.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #64 on: August 27, 2019, 08:43:31 PM »
I didn't need to grind anything. It fit through the hole in the door.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #65 on: August 28, 2019, 08:22:33 AM »
I didn't need to grind anything. It fit through the hole in the door.

So yesterday I'm looking for this hole ... and thinking "WTF ... ain't no hole."

Got up this morning, had my morning cup of coffee ... and I'll be damned ... now there's a hole!

Kind of funny, but I never looked closely enough at the battery/SD card compartment door to notice that it has a (what I now know from a little bit of research) reserved power cable outlet.

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #66 on: August 28, 2019, 04:04:30 PM »
Just got mine, works perfect, just have to grind out a little space for cable, thanks for the info

Ed - did you cut a little slot into the camera body into which you can insert the wire and close the battery compartment?  Seems like a good idea since it doesn't take much pressure on the internal latch (for the battery itself) to unhinge.

If this is what you did, please post a pic.  Thx.

Yep and Nick C modded the cable to run on external
9 volt power instead of dual usb
https://imgur.com/a/5U3BfOJ
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #67 on: August 28, 2019, 07:30:10 PM »
Just got mine, works perfect, just have to grind out a little space for cable, thanks for the info

Ed - did you cut a little slot into the camera body into which you can insert the wire and close the battery compartment?  Seems like a good idea since it doesn't take much pressure on the internal latch (for the battery itself) to unhinge.

If this is what you did, please post a pic.  Thx.

Yep and Nick C modded the cable to run on external
9 volt power instead of dual usb
https://imgur.com/a/5U3BfOJ

I need my camera to sit on shelf’s and seats
the wire sticking straight out of the bottom doesn’t
work for me, my notch does. Actually Nicky cut the notch
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #68 on: August 30, 2019, 08:05:54 PM »
If you did a little carving and drilled a hole through a block of wood you could screw that to the camera and notch the wood for the dummy battery . might save one from grinding on ones nice new camera.

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #69 on: August 31, 2019, 08:13:50 PM »
All you fine people mod your gear as
you see fit!
Here’s one I was able to do without
taking my cam down from the mounted
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #70 on: November 07, 2019, 05:01:09 AM »
Nice recording (how was the original audio ?) but wouldn't it be better to stick to 1080p and keep stabilization ?

After years of trying to make do with my trusty Sony HX90v, mostly for pictures, I jumped on an Amazon Warehouse deal on a TZ100 and will try it next week at a show. Thanks for all the tips in this thread !

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #71 on: November 07, 2019, 05:16:35 AM »
has exposure control just below your right thumb...super easy quick access and you can adjust it while filming.

Wow!  Never heard of being able to make changes on the fly with a point-and-shoot.  This is great news.

Yes, but only while in 4K mode.

Any reason this can't be done in 1080p ?

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #72 on: November 07, 2019, 09:40:20 AM »
wouldn't it be better to stick to 1080p and keep stabilization ?

I suppose it depends on how steady you're able to hold the camera when you're filming in hand-held mode.  I have a very steady hand, so it's not a problem for me.  And also, to my eyes at least, 4K is just so much nicer looking than 1080.

Edit to add:  I am pretty sure that the 4K recording limit hack only changes the recording limit while filming in 4K, so you'll still only be able to record clips up to 29 mins 59 secs long in 1080.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #73 on: November 07, 2019, 03:08:43 PM »
Too bad the hack (and settings shared in this topic ?) only work in 4K mode.
30 minutes isn't too bad, it was 15' on my TZ7 and others here mentioned it was 15' for them too, maybe it depends on the area, 15' for Europe and 30' for the US ?

BTW there seems to be a new version of the "battery pack hack" that only requires one USB input now : https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FQP6J7P/

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #74 on: November 08, 2019, 03:15:26 PM »
So the TZ100 came in from Amazon Refurb and other than the box being a bit beat it looks like new, maybe it is an actual refurb...
Anyway I proceeded to do the YT hack to switch it from PAL to NSTC and all went well but I'm still seeing a limit, 29'59" that is, actually it's 29'59" in 4K and 720p but NOT in 1080p for some reason, it's 27'09" in 30FPS/20mbps and 20'20" in 60FPS/28mbps, strange. Ah no I get it, it's the 4GB FAT32 File limit, but why not in 4K mode ?
Are there instructions specific to the TZ100 to get unlimited recording ? Thanks !

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #75 on: November 09, 2019, 09:30:15 AM »
Are there instructions specific to the TZ100 to get unlimited recording ? Thanks !

I made this short presentation for a friend - and he said it was easy to follow and worked out great for him:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1JDEBby1zOT1FIkVMN321RLPNlICRcZJ2zXaMVaJqGNw/edit?usp=sharing
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #76 on: November 09, 2019, 07:17:16 PM »
Thanks, so same steps as in the hack posted on Page 1 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxmVDdU1xf0
It seems that this enables unlimited recording on the ZS100 and ZS110 models but on the TZ100 models it only bumps it up from 15' to 30'. Probably because they have built in more limitations on the Euro version and use different PCBs according to the Service Manual I found in the meantime, here it is : https://www.apotelyt.com/doc-pdf/panasonic-tz100-service-manual.pdf see page 10 specifically.

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #77 on: November 21, 2019, 02:37:54 PM »
Are there instructions specific to the TZ100 to get unlimited recording ? Thanks !

I made this short presentation for a friend - and he said it was easy to follow and worked out great for him:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1JDEBby1zOT1FIkVMN321RLPNlICRcZJ2zXaMVaJqGNw/edit?usp=sharing

Thanks, this worked for me. Does anyone else's show the yellow caution triangle when turning off the camera now?
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #78 on: November 21, 2019, 02:47:04 PM »
Thanks, this worked for me. Does anyone else's show the yellow caution triangle when turning off the camera now?

Yes.  Not sure, but it might be because of the hack.  It's nothing to worry about though.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #79 on: November 22, 2019, 04:27:00 AM »
Yes it's the "hack", actually the "hack" puts them in a "test mode" as explained in the service manual I linked to above. Note that on the TZ100 unlimited recording is NOT available, that' only works on the ZS100.

So I took my TZ-100 to its first show last Saturday and I'll say one thing, there's a steep learning curve ! I've been using digital cameras since the first ones came out around 1999 (a Kodak I believe at the time) and I've had pretty much all generations since (a good 10 or 15 including DSLRs) and this is one tough cookie to master ! Anyway I'm pretty happy with the pictures and audio but video was a bit of a letdown in the sense that the tweaks mentioned here to adjust ISO on the fly with the custom setup and shortcuts on FN1 and FN2 did not work for me. They did work in picture mode so I'm confident they were "programmed" ok. Maybe I'm missing something obvious (I did double/triple check I was in 4K although I'm not sure why that would make a difference) but when filming the FN buttons were not active. Anyone see what could be happening ?

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200
« Reply #80 on: November 23, 2019, 02:25:29 PM »
How long should I expect ONE battery to last (No way to get a minutes left on battery on screen?)

90 min - maybe a bit more depending on zooming etc...

Any difference in OEM battery life vs Wasabi Power batteries?

I got 90 minutes, get maybe 5-8 minutes more on the Panny ones

I shot a show last night and got 1 hr 50 mins 20 secs with the OEM Panny battery.  This shot included regularly zooming in and out.  It would have ran a bit longer, but the low battery light was flashing and it was in between songs, so I shut it off to change batteries.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #81 on: November 26, 2019, 08:26:29 AM »
Would the ZS-100 be a good choice for a all around camera ? Looking to get a camera for my wife for Christmas and a bonus good quality video camera would be great for shows.  B&H has them for $397 which seems to be a fair price for such a camera.

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #82 on: November 26, 2019, 09:33:28 AM »
Absolutely, it's extremely versatile both thanks to its 1" sensor, zoom reach, best in class microphones, but also its easy/advanced modes. It's slightly on the larger side (the Sony RX-100s are more compact) and it lacks a flippable LCD but other than that it's the bee's knees ;-)

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #83 on: November 26, 2019, 09:46:15 AM »
Would the ZS-100 be a good choice for a all around camera? Looking to get a camera for my wife for Christmas and a bonus good quality video camera would be great for shows.

Hmm ... all around camera?  It shoots OK photos, but still suffers from the typical problems most point-n-shoot cameras have when it comes to still photos.  They just can't ever begin to measure up to a DSLR camera (even a cheap one) with a decent flash.

But for a point-n-shoot camera to shoot 4K concert videos -- it's the best IMHO.

So if your wife is going to be relying on it a lot for photos of the kids and family events, etc.; and it's only going to be an occasional thing for you to use at shows ... I personally wouldn't go with the ZS-100.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #84 on: November 26, 2019, 09:16:28 PM »
What are you guys using for SD cards? I need to get a 256 gb card for 4k
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #85 on: November 27, 2019, 08:28:06 AM »
What are you guys using for SD cards? I need to get a 256 gb card for 4k

I've been using this 256GB card - and it has worked just fine for me.

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #86 on: December 27, 2019, 12:08:38 PM »
I just bought a second ZS100.  Got it as an "open box" deal for $315.  Looking forward to using it for some 2-cam shots.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #87 on: January 01, 2020, 11:06:25 AM »
Yes it's the "hack", actually the "hack" puts them in a "test mode" as explained in the service manual I linked to above. Note that on the TZ100 unlimited recording is NOT available, that' only works on the ZS100.

So I took my TZ-100 to its first show last Saturday and I'll say one thing, there's a steep learning curve ! I've been using digital cameras since the first ones came out around 1999 (a Kodak I believe at the time) and I've had pretty much all generations since (a good 10 or 15 including DSLRs) and this is one tough cookie to master ! Anyway I'm pretty happy with the pictures and audio but video was a bit of a letdown in the sense that the tweaks mentioned here to adjust ISO on the fly with the custom setup and shortcuts on FN1 and FN2 did not work for me. They did work in picture mode so I'm confident they were "programmed" ok. Maybe I'm missing something obvious (I did double/triple check I was in 4K although I'm not sure why that would make a difference) but when filming the FN buttons were not active. Anyone see what could be happening ?

So is adjusting ISO while filming possible or not?

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #88 on: January 01, 2020, 12:29:44 PM »
Yes it's the "hack", actually the "hack" puts them in a "test mode" as explained in the service manual I linked to above. Note that on the TZ100 unlimited recording is NOT available, that' only works on the ZS100.

So I took my TZ-100 to its first show last Saturday and I'll say one thing, there's a steep learning curve ! I've been using digital cameras since the first ones came out around 1999 (a Kodak I believe at the time) and I've had pretty much all generations since (a good 10 or 15 including DSLRs) and this is one tough cookie to master ! Anyway I'm pretty happy with the pictures and audio but video was a bit of a letdown in the sense that the tweaks mentioned here to adjust ISO on the fly with the custom setup and shortcuts on FN1 and FN2 did not work for me. They did work in picture mode so I'm confident they were "programmed" ok. Maybe I'm missing something obvious (I did double/triple check I was in 4K although I'm not sure why that would make a difference) but when filming the FN buttons were not active. Anyone see what could be happening ?

So is adjusting ISO while filming possible or not?

Yes! You can even use custom functions and assign buttons right under your thumb to change ISO and or exposure while recording!
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #89 on: January 08, 2020, 05:31:55 PM »
My ZS100 arrived.I did the hack no problems.I see that also in AVCHD the time limit is removed.I hate these menu cameras though.

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #90 on: January 10, 2020, 09:23:43 AM »
I see that also in AVCHD the time limit is removed.

I tried finding the AVCHD setting, but couldn't.  The manual wasn't much help either.  I have non-concert related projects that I could really use the AVCHD setting without the time limit.  Please help a brother out.

I hate these menu cameras though.

But once you get your menus all set, you pretty much don't have to mess with them again except for maybe formatting an SD card.  At least, that's how it's been for me.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #91 on: January 10, 2020, 10:36:06 AM »
2 different sections in the motion picture menu. One has you pick between mp4 and avchd it’s before where you choose the 4K or 1080 modes.

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #92 on: January 10, 2020, 11:45:18 AM »
2 different sections in the motion picture menu. One has you pick between mp4 and avchd it’s before where you choose the 4K or 1080 modes.

Got it - thanks!
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #93 on: January 10, 2020, 12:18:37 PM »
Also I have the lcd set to monochrome, way easier to manually focus with peaking.

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #94 on: January 16, 2020, 02:03:46 PM »
Does anyone record in 4k and upload in 1080? The file sizes are staggering - my connection times out before I can upload these shows in 4k
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #95 on: January 17, 2020, 06:36:42 AM »
Does anyone record in 4k and upload in 1080? The file sizes are staggering - my connection times out before I can upload these shows in 4k

What is your upload speed?

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #96 on: January 17, 2020, 04:47:12 PM »
Does anyone record in 4k and upload in 1080? The file sizes are staggering - my connection times out before I can upload these shows in 4k

I mux 4K vids with 24 bit audio and upload to Youtube all the time.  So ... 60-70GB files.  Down-converting to 1080 would be really time consuming -- and would seriously cut into time I spend doing other video projects on my computer.

I'm really lucky that the podunk town I live in decided to do something about the shit internet service offered by Comcast and it started its own fibernet service.  So I get really fast upload speeds (over 10MBs/sec most of the time) and I only pay $40/mth flat fee.  On top of that, they don't care how much bandwidth you use; they don't even monitor it.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #97 on: January 25, 2020, 12:36:02 PM »
Is it possible to have Auto ISO in video mode?I don't see it.

How to get Auto focus in video mode? I'm stuck in manual focus.


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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #98 on: January 25, 2020, 01:59:34 PM »
Is it possible to have Auto ISO in video mode?I don't see it.

How to get Auto focus in video mode? I'm stuck in manual focus.

OK i seen Auto ISO is not available in Manual mode(unlike the Canon DSLRs that i'm used to)But is available in Shutter Priority,Aperture Priority.

Still wondering about AF and MF though.

I can set the AF ON AE LOCK button to auto focus while pressing it in while im in MF mode but what about being in auto focus mode without pressing the button and grabbing MF when needed while filming.I can't find any way to do this.

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #99 on: January 25, 2020, 03:10:02 PM »

How to get Auto focus in video mode? I'm stuck in manual focus.

I asked this several months ago and no one ever responded.  I have since bought a second ZS100 and have not tried to do anything that would take it out of auto-focus mode.  My first ZS100 is still in manual focus mode.  I like it for certain situations - like when there is a lot of flashing lights (strobes), for example.  But I also get a fair amount of video that is slightly out of focus when shooting in manual focus mode because it appears to be in focus in the LED, and I don't actually see that it's out of focus until I get home and see it on my computer.

I considered the 'nuclear bomb' option of resetting the camera to default settings (which would bring back auto-focus) and go back through with the other various recommended settings that Datfly listed, along with the recording time hack.  That would only take five minutes or so.  But now that I have a second camera, I decided not to do that.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #100 on: January 26, 2020, 10:53:37 AM »
I just noticed a strange occurence.

I recorded 2 clips in AVCHD 1920 x 1080 30p

When i copy them to computer the specs of the clips are 720 x480 and windows media player plays them as 720 x 480.

I bring those clips into Vegas and they are 1920 x1080?

guitard can you test on your system please.

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« Reply #101 on: January 26, 2020, 01:14:56 PM »
I recently recorded a clip in AVCHD mode with the second (from the top) option for "FHD 17M 60i" in the "Recording Quality" section in the camera menu.

I copied the file to my computer.  Here are the file specs shown by MediaInfo (https://mediaarea.net/en/MediaInfo) on top, and Windows Explorer on the bottom):

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #102 on: January 26, 2020, 02:28:44 PM »

How to get Auto focus in video mode? I'm stuck in manual focus.

I asked this several months ago and no one ever responded.  I have since bought a second ZS100 and have not tried to do anything that would take it out of auto-focus mode.  My first ZS100 is still in manual focus mode.  I like it for certain situations - like when there is a lot of flashing lights (strobes), for example.  But I also get a fair amount of video that is slightly out of focus when shooting in manual focus mode because it appears to be in focus in the LED, and I don't actually see that it's out of focus until I get home and see it on my computer.

I considered the 'nuclear bomb' option of resetting the camera to default settings (which would bring back auto-focus) and go back through with the other various recommended settings that Datfly listed, along with the recording time hack.  That would only take five minutes or so.  But now that I have a second camera, I decided not to do that.


I figured it out.

On the back of the camera to the left of the center Menu button is the MF button.
If when you press this the yellow focus square pops up(such was the case for me)You need to go into the Menu>Custom Wrench screen>Page 3 DIRECT FOCUS AREA -OFF-.
Now when you press the MF button on back of camera you get your choices of AF.MF

Also most useful for how we are filming is to change the AF/AE Lock button so when you press it in you get AF only while pressing in.So you can be in full Manual Focus and grab AF when pressing and holding the AF/AE Lock button(AKA back button AF) press it in and get AF.let go and back in Manual focus.

To set this up go to Custom Wrench Menu>Page 1 AF/AE Lock>SELECT >AF-ON :coolguy:

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #103 on: January 26, 2020, 03:27:39 PM »

How to get Auto focus in video mode? I'm stuck in manual focus.

I asked this several months ago and no one ever responded.  I have since bought a second ZS100 and have not tried to do anything that would take it out of auto-focus mode.  My first ZS100 is still in manual focus mode.  I like it for certain situations - like when there is a lot of flashing lights (strobes), for example.  But I also get a fair amount of video that is slightly out of focus when shooting in manual focus mode because it appears to be in focus in the LED, and I don't actually see that it's out of focus until I get home and see it on my computer.

I considered the 'nuclear bomb' option of resetting the camera to default settings (which would bring back auto-focus) and go back through with the other various recommended settings that Datfly listed, along with the recording time hack.  That would only take five minutes or so.  But now that I have a second camera, I decided not to do that.


I figured it out.

On the back of the camera to the left of the center Menu button is the MF button.
If when you press this the yellow focus square pops up(such was the case for me)You need to go into the Menu>Custom Wrench screen>Page 3 DIRECT FOCUS AREA -OFF-.
Now when you press the MF button on back of camera you get your choices of AF.MF

Also most useful for how we are filming is to change the AF/AE Lock button so when you press it in you get AF only while pressing in.So you can be in full Manual Focus and grab AF when pressing and holding the AF/AE Lock button(AKA back button AF) press it in and get AF.let go and back in Manual focus.

To set this up go to Custom Wrench Menu>Page 1 AF/AE Lock>SELECT >AF-ON :coolguy:

I was :banging head: for a long time about this until I finally gave up.  Thanks for figuring this out.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #104 on: February 08, 2020, 03:16:24 PM »

How to get Auto focus in video mode? I'm stuck in manual focus.

I asked this several months ago and no one ever responded.  I have since bought a second ZS100 and have not tried to do anything that would take it out of auto-focus mode.  My first ZS100 is still in manual focus mode.  I like it for certain situations - like when there is a lot of flashing lights (strobes), for example.  But I also get a fair amount of video that is slightly out of focus when shooting in manual focus mode because it appears to be in focus in the LED, and I don't actually see that it's out of focus until I get home and see it on my computer.

I considered the 'nuclear bomb' option of resetting the camera to default settings (which would bring back auto-focus) and go back through with the other various recommended settings that Datfly listed, along with the recording time hack.  That would only take five minutes or so.  But now that I have a second camera, I decided not to do that.


I figured it out.

On the back of the camera to the left of the center Menu button is the MF button.
If when you press this the yellow focus square pops up(such was the case for me)You need to go into the Menu>Custom Wrench screen>Page 3 DIRECT FOCUS AREA -OFF-.
Now when you press the MF button on back of camera you get your choices of AF.MF

Also most useful for how we are filming is to change the AF/AE Lock button so when you press it in you get AF only while pressing in.So you can be in full Manual Focus and grab AF when pressing and holding the AF/AE Lock button(AKA back button AF) press it in and get AF.let go and back in Manual focus.

To set this up go to Custom Wrench Menu>Page 1 AF/AE Lock>SELECT >AF-ON :coolguy:

Thanks for this. I'm trying it out tonight. My last video has periods of lost focus, which was disappointing.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #105 on: February 10, 2020, 11:32:05 AM »
Does anyone record in 4k and upload in 1080? The file sizes are staggering - my connection times out before I can upload these shows in 4k

I mux 4K vids with 24 bit audio and upload to Youtube all the time.  So ... 60-70GB files.  Down-converting to 1080 would be really time consuming -- and would seriously cut into time I spend doing other video projects on my computer.

I'm really lucky that the podunk town I live in decided to do something about the shit internet service offered by Comcast and it started its own fibernet service.  So I get really fast upload speeds (over 10MBs/sec most of the time) and I only pay $40/mth flat fee.  On top of that, they don't care how much bandwidth you use; they don't even monitor it.

In what program are you doing this?


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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #106 on: February 10, 2020, 03:26:04 PM »
Does anyone record in 4k and upload in 1080? The file sizes are staggering - my connection times out before I can upload these shows in 4k

I mux 4K vids with 24 bit audio and upload to Youtube all the time.  So ... 60-70GB files.  Down-converting to 1080 would be really time consuming -- and would seriously cut into time I spend doing other video projects on my computer.

I'm really lucky that the podunk town I live in decided to do something about the shit internet service offered by Comcast and it started its own fibernet service.  So I get really fast upload speeds (over 10MBs/sec most of the time) and I only pay $40/mth flat fee.  On top of that, they don't care how much bandwidth you use; they don't even monitor it.

In what program are you doing this?

XMedia Recode

https://www.xmedia-recode.de/en/download.php

It can be kind of clunky, but it's completely free and once you get it all figured out, it works well.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #107 on: February 10, 2020, 03:36:45 PM »
Does anyone record in 4k and upload in 1080? The file sizes are staggering - my connection times out before I can upload these shows in 4k

I mux 4K vids with 24 bit audio and upload to Youtube all the time.  So ... 60-70GB files.  Down-converting to 1080 would be really time consuming -- and would seriously cut into time I spend doing other video projects on my computer.

I'm really lucky that the podunk town I live in decided to do something about the shit internet service offered by Comcast and it started its own fibernet service.  So I get really fast upload speeds (over 10MBs/sec most of the time) and I only pay $40/mth flat fee.  On top of that, they don't care how much bandwidth you use; they don't even monitor it.

In what program are you doing this?

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #108 on: February 11, 2020, 12:13:15 AM »
I use Davinci Resolve. It's free and fairly easy to use after a YouTube tutorial. I just made this with it https://youtu.be/Z7gDjOLtQYs

I think you need to increase the video bitrate when you export your video. The YouTube video gets very blocky when there is a lot of movement on the screen (I watched the 720p60 version on YouTube).


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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #109 on: February 11, 2020, 02:53:10 AM »
I use Davinci Resolve. It's free and fairly easy to use after a YouTube tutorial. I just made this with it https://youtu.be/Z7gDjOLtQYs

I think you need to increase the video bitrate when you export your video. The YouTube video gets very blocky when there is a lot of movement on the screen (I watched the 720p60 version on YouTube).

Thanks. Would you mind going into a bit more detail? I'm new to video.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #110 on: February 11, 2020, 01:38:54 PM »
I use Davinci Resolve. It's free and fairly easy to use after a YouTube tutorial. I just made this with it https://youtu.be/Z7gDjOLtQYs

I think you need to increase the video bitrate when you export your video. The YouTube video gets very blocky when there is a lot of movement on the screen (I watched the 720p60 version on YouTube).

Thanks. Would you mind going into a bit more detail? I'm new to video.

Have you considered not re-encoding your videos; and instead keeping them as 4K?

Creating a new lossless 4K video file that is exactly the same as the raw video you started with (except it is muxed together with new audio) is as good as it can get in terms of picture quality IMHO.

Here's an example of a 4K video that I muxed with separate audio.  There was no re-encoding involved in making this. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKyryZW1Nys
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #111 on: February 11, 2020, 01:42:02 PM »
I use Davinci Resolve. It's free and fairly easy to use after a YouTube tutorial. I just made this with it https://youtu.be/Z7gDjOLtQYs

I think you need to increase the video bitrate when you export your video. The YouTube video gets very blocky when there is a lot of movement on the screen (I watched the 720p60 version on YouTube).

Thanks. Would you mind going into a bit more detail? I'm new to video.

Have you considered not re-encoding your videos; and instead keeping them as 4K?

Creating a new lossless 4K video file that is exactly the same as the raw video you started with (except it is muxed together with new audio) is as good as it can get in terms of picture quality IMHO.

Here's an example of a 4K video that I muxed with separate audio.  There was no re-encoding involved in making this. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKyryZW1Nys

Correct but You Tube stills re encodes compresses all uploaded video right?

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #112 on: February 11, 2020, 03:13:45 PM »
I use Davinci Resolve. It's free and fairly easy to use after a YouTube tutorial. I just made this with it https://youtu.be/Z7gDjOLtQYs

I think you need to increase the video bitrate when you export your video. The YouTube video gets very blocky when there is a lot of movement on the screen (I watched the 720p60 version on YouTube).

Thanks. Would you mind going into a bit more detail? I'm new to video.

Have you considered not re-encoding your videos; and instead keeping them as 4K?

Creating a new lossless 4K video file that is exactly the same as the raw video you started with (except it is muxed together with new audio) is as good as it can get in terms of picture quality IMHO.

Here's an example of a 4K video that I muxed with separate audio.  There was no re-encoding involved in making this. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKyryZW1Nys

Correct but You Tube stills re encodes compresses all uploaded video right?

Of course, we all know Youtube re-encodes.  I wasn't trying to suggest that Youtube video didn't get re-encoded; only that I uploaded it as a lossless re-muxed 4K video and I think the quality (even after re-encoding by Youtube) is very nice.

The real point I was trying to make is that you can losslessly re-mux your raw video and audio files and get the highest quality possible outcome.  I watch these re-muxed 4K video files on my 4K tv and they look and sound great.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #113 on: February 11, 2020, 04:35:09 PM »
Nice to hear you can do this No Re Encoding to the 4k files.Similar thing i would do with blurays i made in DVD architect .The footage from the 1920 x 1080 .mts files were already compliant so you could just match your good audio in Vegas >Render the audio>Replace camcorder audio in Dvd architect and the video was unaltered.Unless you were doing a multicam edit of course.


Also the biggest benefit to this Panasonic zs100 is the ability to change the picture profile settings.Unlike any consumer camcorder we had in the past.

The default is set at STANDARD which is not good for video as the blacks are completely crushed.And there is digital sharpening added.

I am using this picture profile settings.

MOTION PICTURE MENU item 1

PICTURE PROFILE >NATURAL
Change CONTRAST to   -5 (Blacks are not crushed anymore)
Change SHARPNESS to -5 (Doesn't make footage soft is still sharp without digital edges)
Change NOISE REDUCTION to -2 (Reduces smoothing)
SATURATION remains at 0

Press SET to save these changes.


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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #114 on: February 15, 2020, 08:42:38 PM »
I use Davinci Resolve. It's free and fairly easy to use after a YouTube tutorial. I just made this with it https://youtu.be/Z7gDjOLtQYs

I think you need to increase the video bitrate when you export your video. The YouTube video gets very blocky when there is a lot of movement on the screen (I watched the 720p60 version on YouTube).

Thanks. Would you mind going into a bit more detail? I'm new to video.

When you render your video (i.e. export it from your Video Editor), you are presented with a dialog where you can specify the video and audio bitrate. The higher the bitrate you choose the better quality the video will be but the larger (in megabytes/gigabytes) the video will be.

If the video bitrate is too low for a particular portion of video, you will get compression artifacts such as macroblocking. You can see an example of this in my links below. The first image there is not much movement on stage it is easy for the encoder to process. In the second image the bitrate is not sufficient for the motion so it degenerates.

Here are a couple of screen shots I took from your YouTube video.

Good - https://i.imgur.com/sdyEbbn.jpg
Bad - https://i.imgur.com/csITLxl.jpg

What settings do you use when you export your project?

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #115 on: February 26, 2020, 07:20:05 PM »
Nice to hear you can do this No Re Encoding to the 4k files.Similar thing i would do with blurays i made in DVD architect .The footage from the 1920 x 1080 .mts files were already compliant so you could just match your good audio in Vegas >Render the audio>Replace camcorder audio in Dvd architect and the video was unaltered.Unless you were doing a multicam edit of course.


Also the biggest benefit to this Panasonic zs100 is the ability to change the picture profile settings.Unlike any consumer camcorder we had in the past.

The default is set at STANDARD which is not good for video as the blacks are completely crushed.And there is digital sharpening added.

I am using this picture profile settings.

MOTION PICTURE MENU item 1

PICTURE PROFILE >NATURAL
Change CONTRAST to   -5 (Blacks are not crushed anymore)
Change SHARPNESS to -5 (Doesn't make footage soft is still sharp without digital edges)
Change NOISE REDUCTION to -2 (Reduces smoothing)
SATURATION remains at 0

Press SET to save these changes.

Trying these changes out tonight, thanks. I'll report back.

I use Davinci Resolve. It's free and fairly easy to use after a YouTube tutorial. I just made this with it https://youtu.be/Z7gDjOLtQYs

I think you need to increase the video bitrate when you export your video. The YouTube video gets very blocky when there is a lot of movement on the screen (I watched the 720p60 version on YouTube).

Thanks. Would you mind going into a bit more detail? I'm new to video.

When you render your video (i.e. export it from your Video Editor), you are presented with a dialog where you can specify the video and audio bitrate. The higher the bitrate you choose the better quality the video will be but the larger (in megabytes/gigabytes) the video will be.

If the video bitrate is too low for a particular portion of video, you will get compression artifacts such as macroblocking. You can see an example of this in my links below. The first image there is not much movement on stage it is easy for the encoder to process. In the second image the bitrate is not sufficient for the motion so it degenerates.

Here are a couple of screen shots I took from your YouTube video.

Good - https://i.imgur.com/sdyEbbn.jpg
Bad - https://i.imgur.com/csITLxl.jpg

What settings do you use when you export your project?

I'm not 100%, I just started playing around with Davinci and video in general. I'll post when I do my next video but I'm pretty sure the bitrate was not as high as it should have been.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #116 on: March 01, 2020, 02:12:51 AM »
Much better results this time after changing the settings to beatkilla's natural recommendation. Also, my export settings were 4k at a max of 30,000 kbps. I'll post a link here when it's done uploading to YT.

Here's the video: https://youtu.be/n0W76gmzfO0
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #117 on: March 01, 2020, 10:53:17 AM »
For the first year or so that I had the ZS100, I always shot in manual focus mode and would tap the AF icon on the LED screen once I zoomed in to focus the picture.  The problem with this is that during the 2-3 seconds it takes to fully zoom in, as well as for a second or two after you've zoomed in, the picture is out of focus until you can tap the AF icon on the LED screen - but that disappears while the camera is zooming and doesn't reappear until a second or two after you stop zooming in/out.  So a few months ago, I made the switch over to shooting in auto focus mode.  I generally prefer this to manual focus; especially in situations where the musicians are different distances away from my camera (i.e., I am near the front left side of the stage, so the guitarist in front of me is 8 feet away, the lead singer in the middle of the stage is 15 feet away, and the bass player on the other side of the stage is 25 feet away, etc.).  Shooting in manual focus mode in this scenario, I would have to refocus for all three of the musicians (four if you include the drummer).

A big drawback with auto focus mode is that I tend to have trouble staying in focus when there is a lot of dark parts in the picture.  For example, I zoom in on someone playing a black piano and you can only see their head and the rest of the picture is dark.  In this situation, the auto-focus just drifts in and out of focus and really drives me crazy.  Also, when there are a lot of flashing lights or strobe lights - the auto focus has a hard time handling that.

As far as I can tell, you can't change the AF <--> MF setting while shooting on the fly (by pushing the MF button next to the "Menu Set" button).  Of course, stopping the video in the middle of a show to change this setting is not practical.

I have read quite a bit about the AF/AE button on the back of the ZS100, but can't seem to figure out how to lock the focus when shooting in auto focus mode.  If I could lock the focus, I could zoom in on that guy playing the piano and once I got a properly focused picture -- I could lock it in and not have to worry about the camera drifting in and out of focus.  But I just can't figure this out.  Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #118 on: March 01, 2020, 12:52:32 PM »
For the first year or so that I had the ZS100, I always shot in manual focus mode and would tap the AF icon on the LED screen once I zoomed in to focus the picture.  The problem with this is that during the 2-3 seconds it takes to fully zoom in, as well as for a second or two after you've zoomed in, the picture is out of focus until you can tap the AF icon on the LED screen - but that disappears while the camera is zooming and doesn't reappear until a second or two after you stop zooming in/out.  So a few months ago, I made the switch over to shooting in auto focus mode.  I generally prefer this to manual focus; especially in situations where the musicians are different distances away from my camera (i.e., I am near the front left side of the stage, so the guitarist in front of me is 8 feet away, the lead singer in the middle of the stage is 15 feet away, and the bass player on the other side of the stage is 25 feet away, etc.).  Shooting in manual focus mode in this scenario, I would have to refocus for all three of the musicians (four if you include the drummer).

A big drawback with auto focus mode is that I tend to have trouble staying in focus when there is a lot of dark parts in the picture.  For example, I zoom in on someone playing a black piano and you can only see their head and the rest of the picture is dark.  In this situation, the auto-focus just drifts in and out of focus and really drives me crazy.  Also, when there are a lot of flashing lights or strobe lights - the auto focus has a hard time handling that.

As far as I can tell, you can't change the AF <--> MF setting while shooting on the fly (by pushing the MF button next to the "Menu Set" button).  Of course, stopping the video in the middle of a show to change this setting is not practical.

I have read quite a bit about the AF/AE button on the back of the ZS100, but can't seem to figure out how to lock the focus when shooting in auto focus mode.  If I could lock the focus, I could zoom in on that guy playing the piano and once I got a properly focused picture -- I could lock it in and not have to worry about the camera drifting in and out of focus.  But I just can't figure this out.  Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.



The AF/AE lock button has 4 different possibilities.

Scroll to WRENCH C screen>AF/AE lock (drop down menu)--->AE LOCK(only exposure is locked)
                                                                                          ---> AF LOCK(only focus is locked)
                                                                                          ---> AF/AE lock(both focus and exposure are locked)
                                                                                          ---> AF-ON(Auto focus starts)

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #119 on: March 02, 2020, 07:22:04 AM »
Thanks for all the advice and ideas for the camera ts members.

Ever since I updated the camera with the hack I can not get the camera to transfer files to the PC. The PC will not recognize the camera. I have to pull the SD card to transfer the files.
Anyone else have this problem?

Any fixes?

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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #120 on: March 03, 2020, 03:35:55 PM »
For the first year or so that I had the ZS100, I always shot in manual focus mode and would tap the AF icon on the LED screen once I zoomed in to focus the picture.  The problem with this is that during the 2-3 seconds it takes to fully zoom in, as well as for a second or two after you've zoomed in, the picture is out of focus until you can tap the AF icon on the LED screen - but that disappears while the camera is zooming and doesn't reappear until a second or two after you stop zooming in/out.  So a few months ago, I made the switch over to shooting in auto focus mode.  I generally prefer this to manual focus; especially in situations where the musicians are different distances away from my camera (i.e., I am near the front left side of the stage, so the guitarist in front of me is 8 feet away, the lead singer in the middle of the stage is 15 feet away, and the bass player on the other side of the stage is 25 feet away, etc.).  Shooting in manual focus mode in this scenario, I would have to refocus for all three of the musicians (four if you include the drummer).

A big drawback with auto focus mode is that I tend to have trouble staying in focus when there is a lot of dark parts in the picture.  For example, I zoom in on someone playing a black piano and you can only see their head and the rest of the picture is dark.  In this situation, the auto-focus just drifts in and out of focus and really drives me crazy.  Also, when there are a lot of flashing lights or strobe lights - the auto focus has a hard time handling that.

As far as I can tell, you can't change the AF <--> MF setting while shooting on the fly (by pushing the MF button next to the "Menu Set" button).  Of course, stopping the video in the middle of a show to change this setting is not practical.

I have read quite a bit about the AF/AE button on the back of the ZS100, but can't seem to figure out how to lock the focus when shooting in auto focus mode.  If I could lock the focus, I could zoom in on that guy playing the piano and once I got a properly focused picture -- I could lock it in and not have to worry about the camera drifting in and out of focus.  But I just can't figure this out.  Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.



The AF/AE lock button has 4 different possibilities.

Scroll to WRENCH C screen>AF/AE lock (drop down menu)--->AE LOCK(only exposure is locked)
                                                                                          ---> AF LOCK(only focus is locked)
                                                                                          ---> AF/AE lock(both focus and exposure are locked)
                                                                                          ---> AF-ON(Auto focus starts)


The AF/AE lock button has 4 different possibilities.



Scroll to WRENCH C screen>AF/AE lock (drop down menu)--->AE LOCK(only exposure is locked)
                                                                                          ---> AF LOCK(only focus is locked)
                                                                                          ---> AF/AE lock(both focus and exposure are locked)
                                                                                          ---> AF-ON(Auto focus starts)

If you choose any of the 3 settings above except AF-ON(Auto focus starts) You get another selection below the AF/AE lock selection.The next selection below that is AF/AE LOCK ON or OFF.

With LOCK OFF you press and hold the AF/AE button on back of camera to use what you have selected as your choice and when you let go it stops using that selection.

So for instance your filming and zoom in to your piano player -->You have selected the settings of AF LOCK(only focus is locked)and also chosen LOCK OFF.Once you had zoomed into piano man you would press and hold the AF/AE button to lock(really this is switching to Manual focus the focus has just stopped where you told it to)

OR with AF/AE LOCK ON/OFF setting set to LOCK ON.

Same scenario you don't need to PRESS and HOLD the back button of camera(AF/AE) You push it once and the focus is held and push it once again to start autofocus working again.

Now if you want to choose AF-ON(auto focus starts)the LOCK ON/OFF is greyed out unfortunately because this would give you Manual and Autofocus whenever you wanted it.
BUT you still can have MANUAL focus AND Auto focus while filming.

Choose AF-ON(autofocus starts)for the AF/AE back button.

Set your camera to Manual focus.

Now while filming in Manual focus you can PRESS and HOLD the AF/AE back button to use Auto focus whenever you want/need it.

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« Reply #121 on: March 06, 2020, 10:18:55 AM »
For the first year or so that I had the ZS100, I always shot in manual focus mode and would tap the AF icon on the LED screen once I zoomed in to focus the picture.  The problem with this is that during the 2-3 seconds it takes to fully zoom in, as well as for a second or two after you've zoomed in, the picture is out of focus until you can tap the AF icon on the LED screen - but that disappears while the camera is zooming and doesn't reappear until a second or two after you stop zooming in/out.  So a few months ago, I made the switch over to shooting in auto focus mode.  I generally prefer this to manual focus; especially in situations where the musicians are different distances away from my camera (i.e., I am near the front left side of the stage, so the guitarist in front of me is 8 feet away, the lead singer in the middle of the stage is 15 feet away, and the bass player on the other side of the stage is 25 feet away, etc.).  Shooting in manual focus mode in this scenario, I would have to refocus for all three of the musicians (four if you include the drummer).

A big drawback with auto focus mode is that I tend to have trouble staying in focus when there is a lot of dark parts in the picture.  For example, I zoom in on someone playing a black piano and you can only see their head and the rest of the picture is dark.  In this situation, the auto-focus just drifts in and out of focus and really drives me crazy.  Also, when there are a lot of flashing lights or strobe lights - the auto focus has a hard time handling that.

As far as I can tell, you can't change the AF <--> MF setting while shooting on the fly (by pushing the MF button next to the "Menu Set" button).  Of course, stopping the video in the middle of a show to change this setting is not practical.

I have read quite a bit about the AF/AE button on the back of the ZS100, but can't seem to figure out how to lock the focus when shooting in auto focus mode.  If I could lock the focus, I could zoom in on that guy playing the piano and once I got a properly focused picture -- I could lock it in and not have to worry about the camera drifting in and out of focus.  But I just can't figure this out.  Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.



The AF/AE lock button has 4 different possibilities.

Scroll to WRENCH C screen>AF/AE lock (drop down menu)--->AE LOCK(only exposure is locked)
                                                                                          ---> AF LOCK(only focus is locked)
                                                                                          ---> AF/AE lock(both focus and exposure are locked)
                                                                                          ---> AF-ON(Auto focus starts)


The AF/AE lock button has 4 different possibilities.



Scroll to WRENCH C screen>AF/AE lock (drop down menu)--->AE LOCK(only exposure is locked)
                                                                                          ---> AF LOCK(only focus is locked)
                                                                                          ---> AF/AE lock(both focus and exposure are locked)
                                                                                          ---> AF-ON(Auto focus starts)

If you choose any of the 3 settings above except AF-ON(Auto focus starts) You get another selection below the AF/AE lock selection.The next selection below that is AF/AE LOCK ON or OFF.

With LOCK OFF you press and hold the AF/AE button on back of camera to use what you have selected as your choice and when you let go it stops using that selection.

So for instance your filming and zoom in to your piano player -->You have selected the settings of AF LOCK(only focus is locked)and also chosen LOCK OFF.Once you had zoomed into piano man you would press and hold the AF/AE button to lock(really this is switching to Manual focus the focus has just stopped where you told it to)

OR with AF/AE LOCK ON/OFF setting set to LOCK ON.

Same scenario you don't need to PRESS and HOLD the back button of camera(AF/AE) You push it once and the focus is held and push it once again to start autofocus working again.

Now if you want to choose AF-ON(auto focus starts)the LOCK ON/OFF is greyed out unfortunately because this would give you Manual and Autofocus whenever you wanted it.

Thanks for doing all of that research.

It seems like the best option for me, based on how I film and the problem I am trying to overcome, is to go with AF/AE LOCK --> AF LOCK, and AF/AE Lock Hold --> OFF.  And it does work -- I zoom in and press the AF/AE LOCK button and it locks in the focus.  The problem is that when I release the button and move to a different focal point, it takes several seconds before it will start auto focusing again.  So basically, this fixes one problem -- but creates another problem. 

I have come to the conclusion that their isn't a perfect solution to the fairly unique problems that come up when filming concerts with a small camera like this.  You just have to work with the limitations that come with each of the two basic options (auto focus or manual focus) and try to overcome them as best you can.

BUT you still can have MANUAL focus AND Auto focus while filming.

Choose AF-ON(autofocus starts)for the AF/AE back button.

Set your camera to Manual focus.

Now while filming in Manual focus you can PRESS and HOLD the AF/AE back button to use Auto focus whenever you want/need it.

A better option IMO is to use the "AF" button on the LED screen (see picture below) when shooting in manual focus mode.  It only requires a light touch with the right thumb, so there is pretty much no chance you'll have any camera shake or unwanted movement.

BUT ... as I said earlier ... there isn't a perfect solution.  About half the time I tap that AF button, the focus goes into a "hunting" mode for a few seconds -- so the camera goes from only being slightly out of focus, to completely out of focus for a few seconds, and then back into perfect focus.  It's really annoying.



I think for the time being, I am just going to stick with auto focus for most shows.  At shows when I am filming from somewhat of a distance from out in front of the stage and all of the performers are relatively equidistant from the camera, I will choose manual focus.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #122 on: March 09, 2020, 01:58:45 PM »
My most recent effort:
Set 1: https://youtu.be/n0W76gmzfO0
Set 2: https://youtu.be/FH4epL05h9I

I used a 30k kb/s bitrate render and it looks much better. I found how to sync audio by waveform in Davinci, so it took about five minutes to make the second video after processing the audio. Great free program.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #123 on: March 13, 2020, 10:29:53 AM »
I used a 30k kb/s bitrate render and it looks much better.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, you can use a program like XMedia Recode to synch audio (remux) and produce a lossless 4K video file that is exactly the same as the raw video you started with (except it now includes the alternate audio).  Unless there is a compelling reason to re-encode the video (for example, if you have to correct the color), I don't think you can beat the quality of the ZS100's original 4K video.

https://www.xmedia-recode.de/en/download.php

Here are my instructions on how to use XMedia Recode to produce a lossless 4K video.  Note:  you have to synch the audio in another program prior to muxing it in XMedia Recode.  I do that in Vegas Video; but that can be done in pretty much any video/audio editing program.

1.  Click the Open File icon at the top of the GUI page and select the video and audio files you want to mux.

2.  Format tab (this tab is selected by default when you open the program) - choose your desired format.  I usually choose mkv as it allows 24 bit audio.  And in "Output Stream Type" choose "Video and Audio" (default).

3.  Video tab - choose your video file from the two files in the queue above (by clicking on it) and for "mode" choose "copy" (will be "convert" by default - which you don't want).

4.  Audio tab - the audio in the video file you just chose will automatically be parsed into the output box.  For "mode" choose "copy."  Click the "import" button and choose the audio you want to mux with the video.  Right click the audio that shows in the output box (the audio in the video file) and choose to delete it.  In the source box, click the audio you want to mux with the video and then click on the arrow button between the source and output boxes to move it over to the output side.

5.  At the bottom of the GUI, click the "output" link and then click "Save to folder" to choose the destination for the new file.

6.  Click on the "add to queue" button (blue plus sign) at the top of the page.  Double check to make sure the video and audio in the "Output" box that pops up shows that they are both listed as "copy."

7.  Click encode button at the top of the page to get the muxing started.

*A five minute 4K video will usually take around two minutes to mux.
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #124 on: March 15, 2020, 01:16:48 AM »
I used a 30k kb/s bitrate render and it looks much better.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, you can use a program like XMedia Recode to synch audio (remux) and produce a lossless 4K video file that is exactly the same as the raw video you started with (except it now includes the alternate audio).  Unless there is a compelling reason to re-encode the video (for example, if you have to correct the color), I don't think you can beat the quality of the ZS100's original 4K video.

https://www.xmedia-recode.de/en/download.php

Here are my instructions on how to use XMedia Recode to produce a lossless 4K video.  Note:  you have to synch the audio in another program prior to muxing it in XMedia Recode.  I do that in Vegas Video; but that can be done in pretty much any video/audio editing program.

1.  Click the Open File icon at the top of the GUI page and select the video and audio files you want to mux.

2.  Format tab (this tab is selected by default when you open the program) - choose your desired format.  I usually choose mkv as it allows 24 bit audio.  And in "Output Stream Type" choose "Video and Audio" (default).

3.  Video tab - choose your video file from the two files in the queue above (by clicking on it) and for "mode" choose "copy" (will be "convert" by default - which you don't want).

4.  Audio tab - the audio in the video file you just chose will automatically be parsed into the output box.  For "mode" choose "copy."  Click the "import" button and choose the audio you want to mux with the video.  Right click the audio that shows in the output box (the audio in the video file) and choose to delete it.  In the source box, click the audio you want to mux with the video and then click on the arrow button between the source and output boxes to move it over to the output side.

5.  At the bottom of the GUI, click the "output" link and then click "Save to folder" to choose the destination for the new file.

6.  Click on the "add to queue" button (blue plus sign) at the top of the page.  Double check to make sure the video and audio in the "Output" box that pops up shows that they are both listed as "copy."

7.  Click encode button at the top of the page to get the muxing started.

*A five minute 4K video will usually take around two minutes to mux.

Thanks for the suggestion. It doesn't look like this program works for mac though. Is there a quality issue with the way I did the last videos or is it more of a time saver to do it the way you are suggesting?
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Re: Panasonic Lumix DC-ZS200 (edit: mostly about ZS100 though)
« Reply #125 on: March 15, 2020, 10:10:58 AM »
Is there a quality issue with the way I did the last videos or is it more of a time saver to do it the way you are suggesting?

The bottom line is that re-encoding will never improve the quality of the video; it will only degrade it.  So if you can preserve the raw video, it's best to do so.

Your videos look fine on Youtube, but that's not really a fair test (especially since Youtube also re-encodes the video).  To me, the true test is watching the video on a big screen tv.  I take the mkv file I make with XMedia Recode that contains the original video muxed with 24 bit audio and watch those on a 65" tv. 

Regarding saving time -- in my experience with my PC-based video work station, encoding video does take a lot more time than muxing with XMedia Recode.
Mics: CA-11 (omnis and cards), AT853 cards, DPA 4060 omnis
Pre-amps: CA-UGLY II & CA-9100
Decks: Edirol R-07 & Edirol R-09HR

Video: Sony FDR AX100 (4K), Pany ZS100 (4K) & Sony DSC HX50V (HD)
Photo: Canon EOS 60D

A/V software: Sony Vegas Pro 13.0 (build 453) 64 bit / DVD Architect Pro 6.0 (build 237)

 

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