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Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« on: October 04, 2019, 01:35:28 PM »
Planning on taping a band at a fest and haven’t stealthEd anything I like ten years!

Any info is greatly appreciated.

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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2019, 01:43:17 PM »
Probably not, but it all depends on how they have things set up at the door.  You just have to try it and find out.

Remember that a lot of Kevin Mitnick's "hacking" wasn't done in front of a computer screen, it was done by talking to people.
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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2019, 02:00:52 PM »
I figured I’ll leave my keys and a bunch of change in my pockets and have a decent amount of stuff in my backpack as a distraction
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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2019, 03:32:46 PM »
I would say almost definitely yes
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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2019, 03:59:49 PM »
Until recently I was using that same Tascam recorder and similar sized mics, and I set off every single walk-through metal detector and at least 95% of the wands that I encountered in the past several years.

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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2019, 05:18:07 PM »
Until recently I was using that same Tascam recorder and similar sized mics, and I set off every single walk-through metal detector and at least 95% of the wands that I encountered in the past several years.
I was afraid of this. Especially the xlrs
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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2019, 05:19:20 PM »
I would guess the 2 things working against you are the XLR connectors and the batteries.

9V batteries in my stealth rig set them off.

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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2019, 05:56:18 PM »
Agreed about the batteries and the XLR connectors. My batteries typically did not go through the metal detectors -- minimize what stays on your person as much as possible and always be prepared in case you set them off anyway.

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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2019, 06:26:51 PM »
I have an aux battery that will be in my bag and wil most likely do this in two trips since will be camping and have in
And out access. Will take bats out of the recorder
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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2019, 09:31:47 PM »
Probably best to discuss privately.  Wouldn't put that through the metal detectors.  Other ways.

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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2019, 06:57:02 PM »
Over the past 20 years I have been busted taping as in kicked-out/caught/walked-out a total of three times. Never, have I been unable to get my gear in through the door. I've taped thousand/s of concerts. And I have brought a LOT of gear inside in my day. The most was a Tool show in 2007 where I pulled 7 sources but that's a different story. You figure out a method that works for you and you exert confidence that you are there to enjoy the concert, meaning, you are honest in your demeanor. Someone has a question? Already have a response in your mind. There are always people behind you in line.

 
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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2019, 11:16:59 AM »
Over the past 20 years I have been busted taping as in kicked-out/caught/walked-out a total of three times. Never, have I been unable to get my gear in through the door. I've taped thousand/s of concerts. And I have brought a LOT of gear inside in my day. The most was a Tool show in 2007 where I pulled 7 sources but that's a different story. You figure out a method that works for you and you exert confidence that you are there to enjoy the concert, meaning, you are honest in your demeanor. Someone has a question? Already have a response in your mind. There are always people behind you in line.

Sure. LOL. This is a different world we live in. A lot different than 2007. No offense, but your story and 50 cents wouldn't even buy you a cup of coffee these days. I've actually been taping longer than that and I have only been caught once and never caught while already inside. My comment above is more than accurate for today's social climate. The insurance and liability for concerts has increased to outrageous proportions and no club/venue wants to be the next on the evening news. That's why security is a LOT tighter these days. If you don't think so, that's cool ... but that just means you'll be caught soon.

Ooo a taper dick measuring contest!

I recently took 5 IEM packs + Zoom F8 + Battery Pack + Headphones + Cords through walk-thrus metal detectors and wands in Vegas. Two shows back to back! That's a nice girthy package.

But in all seriousness, I can vouch for Galen and he knows what he's doing.
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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2019, 07:46:52 PM »
Holding your keys in your hand with your gear was never, ever an idea that would work across all spheres of taping variables.

I agree that venue security is a bit more heightened what with mass shootings and whatnot, however PiedPiper, there are always people behind you. I'm sure you've pulled some sweet recordings with your Zoom F1 and SPSC but, uh, I'd dig seeing your list of accomplishments since you seem like you really know your stuff and come across as an exceptionally well-informed taper. If you relied on 'tricks' like leaving your keys in your hand then, well, of course you got busted at the door. All I'm saying is there are ways one can get into any venue with what you need. Myself, at minimum for two sources: 2 x M1 or D100 DAT, 2 x wires, 2 x headphones, 1 x scanner, 2 or 3 x boxes and maybe an extra hard disk to pull an easy AUD if I feel so inclined. That's a considerable amount of material. All that said, yeah, security is tougher now than it was, say, ~1999 but it also tightened up after the Dimebag Darrell shooting in the mid 2000's. And that was at a small club in Ohio.

There is a big difference between caught at the door and being caught inside. Caught at the door, you just walk away. Inside, if you do not know your rights, you could very well be caught up with security. I am not concerned about getting caught at the door but, again, never not been allowed inside even with crazy amounts of equipment on me.

Hoserama understands the longitude and latitude of taping. Dude is a Jedi.


Over the past 20 years I have been busted taping as in kicked-out/caught/walked-out a total of three times. Never, have I been unable to get my gear in through the door. I've taped thousand/s of concerts. And I have brought a LOT of gear inside in my day. The most was a Tool show in 2007 where I pulled 7 sources but that's a different story. You figure out a method that works for you and you exert confidence that you are there to enjoy the concert, meaning, you are honest in your demeanor. Someone has a question? Already have a response in your mind. There are always people behind you in line.

Sure. LOL. This is a different world we live in. A lot different than 2007. No offense, but your story and 50 cents wouldn't even buy you a cup of coffee these days. I've actually been taping longer than that and I have only been caught once and never caught while already inside. My comment above is more than accurate for today's social climate. The insurance and liability for concerts has increased to outrageous proportions and no club/venue wants to be the next on the evening news. That's why security is a LOT tighter these days. If you don't think so, that's cool ... but that just means you'll be caught soon.
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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2019, 10:36:37 PM »
Serious question, asking in such a way as to hopefully not risk revealing any Jedi secrets: Have other people here had security actually stop them from bringing in small recorders? Maybe it's the kind of shows I go to or I've just been lucky, but I have yet to run into any guards who care about any contraband that isn't weapons or alcohol.

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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2019, 10:45:14 AM »
... I'm sure you've pulled some sweet recordings with your Zoom F1 and SPSC but, uh, I'd dig seeing your list of accomplishments since you seem like you really know your stuff and come across as an exceptionally well-informed taper.

I catch your sarcasm.  If you think that the Zoom is the only recorder I have used for the last 30 years (especially since it's only been in production for a year or so) you're sadly mistaken. You also assume that I only use the one source, but I usually carry three sources and have for the majority of the last 15-20 years.  The point I was making (before you and your buddy tried to make this about "measuring dicks", to use his term) was that security is an issue more now than ever. It takes more than just simple tricks like "keys and loose change in your pockets" and stuff that the original poster was claiming he would do. I have my own methods and it's worked just fine for me. So you can put away your measuring stick.

You basically said Galen didn't know what he was talking about. He knows enough to do well for himself. As do most people on this thread. I think everybody is aware of the obvious point that security in 2019 is more of a challenge than 10+ years ago. Unfortunately I know too many tapers that are throwing in the towel because they're scared of the security challenge, which is their choice. So if you've got a method that works for you, great and godspeed.

Plus I already know my package is bigger than yours  :lol:
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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2019, 04:14:37 PM »
I'm not used to reading taper dick measuring contests on here without furburger being involved.   :lol:
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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2019, 06:14:47 PM »
Your reading and comprehension is way off. Not once did I say he didn't know what he was talking about, I did say it's not 2007 anymore. My comment about security was in DIRECT response to the original question posted in this thread concerning wands and security. Maybe you should stop thinking about dicks long enough to brush up on your reading?

If you say so...

Sure. LOL. This is a different world we live in. A lot different than 2007. No offense, but your story and 50 cents wouldn't even buy you a cup of coffee these days. I've actually been taping longer than that and I have only been caught once and never caught while already inside. My comment above is more than accurate for today's social climate.

I dunno, to me that sounds like you were commenting that Galen had no idea what he was talking about, and you, the long time expert that's been taping longer than 2007, knew far more.

But sure, maybe my reading comprehension is lacking and any perceived arrogance is total in my head.

And of course, the comments about measuring dicks surely is exactly what it appears, a serious comment about the length and girth of packages. Not a comment about ego.

Anyways, if you say you weren't going after Galen, I'll accept it and move on. I don't see this line of discussion going anywhere, and we've gotten pretty off-topic.

Maybe furburger can come in and set us all straight.
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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2019, 08:12:22 PM »
So, the OP PM'd me and we had a couple of exchanges, just to get this back on topic. There are methods. I mean, you could put stuff in your shoe, break it apart all across locations. Or, pretend you are a journalist. Or, sneak in through the gift shop.

Appreciate Hoserama sharing his perception of this particular exchange (a paradigm that I subscribe to as well). PiedPiper, yes, I was throwing in sarcasm but I also think it can be hard to convey truly one's true intent online at times. So, we are all friends and have much more in common than things apart. Let's roll with that.

Say what you will about furburger, obviously I see how folks may find him somewhat offensive at times but dude is a crazy good taper. He is, in some circles, a taping legend. Nice guy, in reality. That said, I have yet to see anyone on this thread's dick and I am ok with that.
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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2019, 08:23:09 PM »
Say what you will about furburger, obviously I see how folks may find him somewhat offensive at times but dude is a crazy good taper.

I might break with you on this one...I'll certainly agree with the crazy part of the sentence
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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2019, 10:36:56 PM »
I'm going to have to disagree with the comment that security measures at the door are much tighter now than they've ever been. Lately, the venues I go to have a walk-thru detector and when that goes off a wanding. That security procedure is easier to get my DPA4023s>Sony D-10 thru than any procedure involving a patdown would be. I'll answer any questions regarding this opinion over PMs because all this talk isn't supposed to be posted.

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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2019, 11:47:45 PM »
... I'm sure you've pulled some sweet recordings with your Zoom F1 and SPSC but, uh, I'd dig seeing your list of accomplishments since you seem like you really know your stuff and come across as an exceptionally well-informed taper.

I catch your sarcasm.  If you think that the Zoom is the only recorder I have used for the last 30 years (especially since it's only been in production for a year or so) you're sadly mistaken. You also assume that I only use the one source, but I usually carry three sources and have for the majority of the last 15-20 years.  The point I was making (before you and your buddy tried to make this about "measuring dicks", to use his term) was that security is an issue more now than ever. It takes more than just simple tricks like "keys and loose change in your pockets" and stuff that the original poster was claiming he would do. I have my own methods and it's worked just fine for me. So you can put away your measuring stick.

You basically said Galen didn't know what he was talking about. He knows enough to do well for himself. As do most people on this thread. I think everybody is aware of the obvious point that security in 2019 is more of a challenge than 10+ years ago. Unfortunately I know too many tapers that are throwing in the towel because they're scared of the security challenge, which is their choice. So if you've got a method that works for you, great and godspeed.

Plus I already know my package is bigger than yours  :lol:

i think you leave out one other issue on tapers who have been doing it for a long time and now face added security hoops.
after 41 years of only stealthing i am tired of new hoops to jump thru
i went to shows for decades and gave little thought to getting gear in i just knew i would
now i think about it and i don't want to have to think about it

i know i can get gear into any show any venue any artist but it involves work that i really have little to no interest in investing in at this point except on certain nights
walk thru and wands at clubs was a real shock to me as i understood and accepted large venues security
so i have left the gear home at some shows and find it surprising how little i miss it or the recording

i still record and seems i will till i die but i am tired of thinking about it as i walk to the door

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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2019, 01:42:30 AM »
Say what you will about furburger, obviously I see how folks may find him somewhat offensive at times but dude is a crazy good taper.

I might break with you on this one...I'll certainly agree with the crazy part of the sentence

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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2019, 11:38:37 AM »
OK so that was strange. That PiedPiper dude sent me this angry/thin-skinned PM but when I tried to reply it's like he's gone. He deleted all of his interactions here. Weird stuff.
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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2019, 12:31:30 PM »
That's one way to walk away.
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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2019, 04:23:55 PM »
OK so that was strange. That PiedPiper dude sent me this angry/thin-skinned PM but when I tried to reply it's like he's gone. He deleted all of his interactions here. Weird stuff.


Pretty sure that guy keeps deleting his profile when things don't go his way or someone challenges his statements on just about any level and comes back a few months later as someone else.
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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2019, 05:31:54 PM »
^ Yeah, he was "obsidian" before he was "ThePiedPiper". Who knows before that. He started several threads which he deleted when people posted things that weren't to his liking. He'll most likely be back with another screen name in the near future...

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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2019, 06:20:49 PM »
I'm going to have to disagree with the comment that security measures at the door are much tighter now than they've ever been. Lately, the venues I go to have a walk-thru detector and when that goes off a wanding. That security procedure is easier to get my DPA4023s>Sony D-10 thru than any procedure involving a patdown would be. I'll answer any questions regarding this opinion over PMs because all this talk isn't supposed to be posted.

Interesting point, pat downs sucked. I also am happy to answer 😈 questions via PM.
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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2019, 12:26:37 PM »
I had my first unexpected brush with detectors at a London venue recently.  There was an arch & wands.  The arch went off, then so did the wand.  But the 'security' said 'Oh, you're wearing a belt, right?and let me through.  I was going to the second night of the tour at the same venue, so thought up some possible excuses and also came up with what I thought was a clever way to hide the gear.  But when I got to the venue, I saw that there were five entrance doors, four of which had detectors, the fifth didn't so I walked through that.  'Do you have a bag?'. 'No'. 'OK'.  But I would appreciate a PM if someone would like to share some tips for me. Thanks

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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2019, 04:39:33 PM »
Oh! Obsidian? I remember that guy. Yeah, ok, matches the same modus of operandi. That PM he sent me - it was odd. Like, he was really really pissed and hurt and he attributed things to me that I never said or did and attempted to blame me for his own actions. People that do not accept responsibility for their own actions are always... interesting at best online. In real life, gotta cut them out.


^ Yeah, he was "obsidian" before he was "ThePiedPiper". Who knows before that. He started several threads which he deleted when people posted things that weren't to his liking. He'll most likely be back with another screen name in the near future...
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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2019, 04:15:49 PM »
I'm going to have to disagree with the comment that security measures at the door are much tighter now than they've ever been. Lately, the venues I go to have a walk-thru detector and when that goes off a wanding. That security procedure is easier to get my DPA4023s>Sony D-10 thru than any procedure involving a patdown would be. I'll answer any questions regarding this opinion over PMs because all this talk isn't supposed to be posted.

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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #30 on: October 11, 2019, 05:31:39 PM »
I'm going to have to disagree with the comment that security measures at the door are much tighter now than they've ever been. Lately, the venues I go to have a walk-thru detector and when that goes off a wanding. That security procedure is easier to get my DPA4023s>Sony D-10 thru than any procedure involving a patdown would be. I'll answer any questions regarding this opinion over PMs because all this talk isn't supposed to be posted.

Interesting point, pat downs sucked. I also am happy to answer 😈 questions via PM.

You're an old dude, Marc.  Might even have a replaced knee  >:D.

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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #31 on: October 11, 2019, 11:27:01 PM »
I just control tested the mics with clips.   Thru detector unsealed.  I put the recorder and battery box in the bin Andre phone and wallet...  easy.  Al

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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2019, 12:37:42 PM »
My current rig is much smaller and am about 50/50 with setting off walk-throughs and wands. I am always prepared for it to go off. Someone said it's about confidence. To me that is 90% of it. The other 10% is where it's located at on your body. I have also just put my pre-amp with my phone a couple times and said it's for amplification for my hard-of-hearing self.

They are looking for weapons almost always. Not a tiny recorder and mics.
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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #33 on: October 31, 2019, 06:48:06 PM »
My current rig is much smaller and am about 50/50 with setting off walk-throughs and wands. I am always prepared for it to go off. Someone said it's about confidence. To me that is 90% of it. The other 10% is where it's located at on your body. I have also just put my pre-amp with my phone a couple times and said it's for amplification for my hard-of-hearing self.

They are looking for weapons almost always. Not a tiny recorder and mics.

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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #34 on: November 01, 2019, 11:43:11 AM »
My current rig is much smaller and am about 50/50 with setting off walk-throughs and wands. I am always prepared for it to go off. Someone said it's about confidence. To me that is 90% of it. The other 10% is where it's located at on your body. I have also just put my pre-amp with my phone a couple times and said it's for amplification for my hard-of-hearing self.

They are looking for weapons almost always. Not a tiny recorder and mics.

If you couldn't get in that baby rig, then it's just time to give up taping!

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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #35 on: November 02, 2019, 10:23:07 AM »
Someone said it's about confidence. To me that is 90% of it. The other 10% is where it's located at on your body.

And also just your general appearance.  I have no doubt that security consciously or subconsciously profiles people as they come in.  So if you're a fairly clean cut looking, sober, middle-aged white guy -- chances are pretty slim that they are going to suspect you of anything.
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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #36 on: November 03, 2019, 10:41:09 AM »
Someone said it's about confidence. To me that is 90% of it. The other 10% is where it's located at on your body.

And also just your general appearance.  I have no doubt that security consciously or subconsciously profiles people as they come in.  So if you're a fairly clean cut looking, sober, middle-aged white guy -- chances are pretty slim that they are going to suspect you of anything.
That’s a big part, confidant and non-threatening, always polite and complimentary
And smile a lot. You will set it off. Last night I walked through the detectors at a
show completely rigged up, set it off, smiled and laughed! They waved me right in
without a wanding or pat down
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Re: Will these set off a wand/metal detector?
« Reply #37 on: November 03, 2019, 02:08:58 PM »
Someone said it's about confidence. To me that is 90% of it. The other 10% is where it's located at on your body.

And also just your general appearance.  I have no doubt that security consciously or subconsciously profiles people as they come in.  So if you're a fairly clean cut looking, sober, middle-aged white guy -- chances are pretty slim that they are going to suspect you of anything.
That’s a big part, confidant and non-threatening, always polite and complimentary
And smile a lot. You will set it off. Last night I walked through the detectors at a
show completely rigged up, set it off, smiled and laughed! They waved me right in
without a wanding or pat down

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