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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2020, 11:55:57 AM »
Is there a good list of default settings for the average concert recording with 2 mics and a board patch?

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2020, 01:31:15 PM »
I have recorded a show with only two ISO's. How can i listen back to this throught the headphone out. :shrug:
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2020, 01:54:33 PM »
I have recorded a show with only two ISO's. How can i listen back to this throught the headphone out. :shrug:

Solo those tracks.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2020, 02:18:56 PM »
I have recorded a show with only two ISO's. How can i listen back to this throught the headphone out. :shrug:

Solo those tracks.

Thanks, it is that simple  :D
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2020, 10:44:56 PM »
Does anyone know if SD plans to add 32bit float capability to Wave Agent?

I *can* manipulate these tracts in Reaper as is, but my workflow would be so simplified by this update to Wave Agent.

This, more than anything is preventing me from upgrading.

For R&R, I suspect not much would change for me.

But for a chamber music gig....
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2020, 12:28:31 AM »
not sure that this is helpful but i archive my polywave files by stitching the short files together in soundforge and then saving the polywave as a single .w64 file

resulting files at 32/96 are ~10GB but its quick and dirty
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2020, 10:57:37 AM »
As it stands, I can now load and split polywaves in reaper, but loading them one by one, splitting them, rendering each pair, then combining the files into a single file per set/show, then reloading into reaper to normalize, etc, is just so many steps,

especially when trying to beat Chris King on getting my upload up etree.....  :smash: :shrug:
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2020, 03:04:48 PM »
If all of your sources have the same starting point it’s fairly easy to track it once im cdwav, save the cue sheet, and apply the cue sheet to the subsequent versions of different source/sample rate/ bitrate. It saves both split points and any special filenames in the cue sheet
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2020, 08:47:19 PM »
Anker PowerCore 10000 PD on sale at Amazon for $28.79

My go to battery for running my MP-6. I get 6.1 hours recording 2-mk41's + sbd,  recharges in 9ish hours.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2020, 01:45:48 PM »
FYI, we added the SanDisk Extreme 150MB/s 64GB SD card to our approved media list. Cost effective and widely available.

https://www.sounddevices.com/mixpre-series-approved-media-list/

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2020, 08:46:11 PM »
Just updated to current 6.00 firmware from 2.21 anyone running the most current firmware without issue?  TIA
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2020, 09:18:29 PM »
Just updated to current 6.00 firmware from 2.21 anyone running the most current firmware without issue?  TIA
I was advised by a SD technician to use the most current firmware to avoid the problems I had with the SD branded cards using 2.21


I upgraded, but have not tested it.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2020, 11:29:06 PM »
I'm still on the original v4 that came with my II series. If it ain't broke...
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2020, 09:06:00 PM »
I upgraded, but have not tested it.

I still have not recorded with it, but I am presently using the Mixpre-6 with firmware V6.00 as a USB audio interface (output) for my computer.

Pretty interesting using the digital input on the SD, and also cool to have meters on my sound interface! My Saffire has none, the MotU 828 has them, but is too big to sit within my visual field, and besides it hums when it's powered up. (signal is clean but box is noisy)

Does anyone else use theirs as a USB sound interface? I would be glad to hear hot tips!

Like turn off the limiter, I think I like it without, since it's monitoring a digital source now.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2020, 10:36:10 PM »

Pretty interesting using the digital input on the SD, and also cool to have meters on my sound interface! My Saffire has none, the MotU 828 has them, but is too big to sit within my visual field, and besides it hums when it's powered up. (signal is clean but box is noisy)

Does anyone else use theirs as a USB sound interface? I would be glad to hear hot tips! [/font]


Can you feed a USB signal from a device like the SONOSAX SX M2D2 into the MixPre II now??  How, what settings?

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2020, 12:35:42 AM »
Can you feed a USB signal from a device like the SONOSAX SX M2D2 into the MixPre II now??  How, what settings?
Get a cable and plug it in!
I've got my inputs set so that I can record the USB input directly onto 5-6 by hitting the Record button, but I turned that off to see what's up, and it still played audio through the l-r outputs and headphones from the computer via USB.
*I think that's because I've got those set for it. I messed with it for a while to get it working the way I wanted.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2020, 01:23:18 AM »
Can you feed a USB signal from a device like the SONOSAX SX M2D2 into the MixPre II now??  How, what settings?

You can record pretty much any audio that is played on the computer or fed into it from another audio source. No matter how it is fed in, line, USB, Thunderbolt, Firewire et al.
As long as it's an identifiable Audio I/O or can make a sound some how.

If you want to route audio in more complex ways on macOS - like the outdated Sound Flower driver offered - I can recommend BlackHole as the most up to date virtual driver.

https://github.com/ExistentialAudio/BlackHole

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2020, 01:24:19 AM »
Does it jam to the USB digital signal, or resample?


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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2020, 02:05:23 AM »
Does it jam to the USB digital signal, or resample?

You can select bit and sample rate and which source to act the clock.
Depends on the Mac but I believe most does hardware rate conversion.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2020, 02:19:38 AM »
There is no "Mac" involved.  I want to go from a Sonosax SX M2D2 via its USB out, into a MixPre II 6.  I have configured channels 5 and 6 on the MixPre to receive this stereo input, and also want to input analog signal from mics into channels 1-4.  Will tracks 1-4 clock correctly to the Sonosax or will the MixPre resample the digital input?  My old Sonosax 8-track MiniR82 would clock the analog inputs to digital inputs 5-6 (but not digital inputs 7-8).   Any idea what happens here??

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2020, 04:04:45 AM »
There is no "Mac" involved.  I want to go from a Sonosax SX M2D2 via its USB out, into a MixPre II 6.  I have configured channels 5 and 6 on the MixPre to receive this stereo input, and also want to input analog signal from mics into channels 1-4.  Will tracks 1-4 clock correctly to the Sonosax or will the MixPre resample the digital input?  My old Sonosax 8-track MiniR82 would clock the analog inputs to digital inputs 5-6 (but not digital inputs 7-8).   Any idea what happens here??

The MixPre acts as a USB Device only.
Unless the Sonosax can act as a USB Host which I doubt, two USB Devices can not communicate with each other.

You need a USB Host to which you can connect both the Sonosax and the Mixpre over USB - then you would be able to route USB audio in/Out as you like.
Perhaps a RPi could manage this as long as everything is device compliant so you don't need to mess around with drivers.
But I've never done it that way.

I've ran my Mixpre as an audio I/O to my Macs and my iPhones.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2020, 09:53:09 AM »
You can record pretty much any audio that is played on the computer or fed into it from another audio source. No matter how it is fed in, line, USB, Thunderbolt, Firewire et al.


Could you run a DAT machine digital out into a Mac and archive your DAT tapes digitally into the MixPre 3-6-10?
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2020, 11:57:04 AM »
I want to go from a Sonosax SX M2D2 via its USB out, into a MixPre II 6.

You won't be able to do this.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2020, 12:35:09 PM »
You can record pretty much any audio that is played on the computer or fed into it from another audio source. No matter how it is fed in, line, USB, Thunderbolt, Firewire et al.


Could you run a DAT machine digital out into a Mac and archive your DAT tapes digitally into the MixPre 3-6-10?

If both the Mac and dat have optical/electrical spdif it should work.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2020, 01:58:19 PM »
You can record pretty much any audio that is played on the computer or fed into it from another audio source. No matter how it is fed in, line, USB, Thunderbolt, Firewire et al.


Could you run a DAT machine digital out into a Mac and archive your DAT tapes digitally into the MixPre 3-6-10?

If both the Mac and dat have optical/electrical spdif it should work.
My HHB Portadat is on vacation in the basement. If I get some time over I’ll do a test this weekend.

Thanks.

I have a DAT machine lazing about. I should give it a try as well.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2020, 03:28:24 PM »
Could you run a DAT machine digital out into a Mac and archive your DAT tapes digitally into the MixPre 3-6-10?
Yes, but why bother with the extra step/device, when you could capture the digital feed in digital audio workstation (DAW) software and save it directly to your drive?

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2020, 04:21:35 PM »
Could you run a DAT machine digital out into a Mac and archive your DAT tapes digitally into the MixPre 3-6-10?
Yes, but why bother with the extra step/device, when you could capture the digital feed in digital audio workstation (DAW) software and save it directly to your drive?


True enough. But in this scenario you end up with wav files on an SD card at the push of a record button which appeals to me over working in a DAW.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2020, 09:36:58 PM »
True enough. But in this scenario you end up with wav files on an SD card at the push of a record button which appeals to me over working in a DAW.
Oh! If that's the goal, then by all means, proceed! Sounds like a great way to go about it.

But the reason I'm really back on THIS thread is to ask MixPre users if they can help with this bit about using the device on USB:

I wish I could control Stereo Output gain with the scroller knob (headphone knob) while viewing levels. I'd use the headphone out but that is RIGHT next to the dang knob!
I'd settle for controlling a linked pair with a single front panel knob.
Just nice to have a physical volume control handy in case of insane dynamics or perhaps a phone call. I can always go turn down the stereo...

Edit- figured out how to do this!
MixPre3 or 6 with V6.00 firmware - directions to set up as a handy USB audio interface for a computer.
Plug in MixPre to computer via USB-C port on recorder. Plug other end of compatible cable into your host computer.
 *Note* If your host machine is not able to provide sufficient power via USB-C, you will not be able to use a remote keyboard on the mixpre, or run more than 2 channels of Kashmir preamp. The power indicator will be amber, not green. Other functions mostly work the same, in my brief experience.
Click Hamburger icon, page to P3 > System, set Mode to Advanced, set USB-C to Audio, set USB Audio to Normal (optional: on page 2, set up bluetooth, if you want remote monitoring for your fancy new sound interface!
Channel 1-2 - push the input knob, (touchscreen to page 2!) set Linking 1-2, Set input on those channels to USB 1 left, and USB 2 right.
Now set Outputs > Stereo Gain to 0, Stereo Out Left is set to Chan 1, Stereo Out Right is set to Chan 2


At this point, main output level for the mini jack is set to the output from Channels 1-2, which get their input from the USB 1-2.
Main level is set on Channel one, balance on channel two (set it to the middle for most things!)
[I suspect I could use the mix bus, but I might be doing so now. Still new at this)
Touch the meters in the bottom to make it toggle through displaying sample rate and bit depth, time and date, Headphone info
Touch the meters in the middle to make it toggle through displaying your L-R main bus & USB input, L-R main bus with large bars, L-R main bus & Active channels
move the knob for input 1, and the display top left will jump to its current level setting as you move it.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #30 on: March 23, 2020, 10:12:58 PM »
I hate to be the only one posting, but I just noticed a couple things about WINGMAN software on my phone.
You can swipe sideways and get totally different looking meters.
After you do that you can swipe up and change if you're monitoring input or output, I think is what I'm seeing.

Furthermore- the initial screen also lets you swipe up or down to change modes!
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #31 on: March 23, 2020, 10:28:28 PM »
Could you run a DAT machine digital out into a Mac and archive your DAT tapes digitally into the MixPre 3-6-10?
Yes, but why bother with the extra step/device, when you could capture the digital feed in digital audio workstation (DAW) software and save it directly to your drive?


True enough. But in this scenario you end up with wav files on an SD card at the push of a record button which appeals to me over working in a DAW.

how is that different than ending up with wav files on an HD? youre jsut using the wave editor app to record.

also unless you have a third party soundcard, mac onboard digital in resamples data, so that in and of itself is inferior to the numerous cheap 2-channel recorders with digital in
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2020, 12:05:25 AM »
also unless you have a third party soundcard, mac onboard digital in resamples data, so that in and of itself is inferior to the numerous cheap 2-channel recorders with digital in
That makes sense, I have to choose sample rate & bit depth from the Mac Audio MIDI setup program.
It doesn't let me choose a source to Lock on, and it doesn't switch when I play something at a different rate (for instance, if I choose 48K, and play a CD, the MixPre still says 48.)


Another thing I just found out about is that Mac OS now lets you make "Aggregate devices" and will sync several different sound interface options.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2020, 12:11:00 AM »
also unless you have a third party soundcard, mac onboard digital in resamples data, so that in and of itself is inferior to the numerous cheap 2-channel recorders with digital in
That makes sense, I have to choose sample rate & bit depth from the Mac Audio MIDI setup program.

easy to test

transfer a dat with a mac
transfer it with something else

data is different
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2020, 07:09:42 AM »
Could you run a DAT machine digital out into a Mac and archive your DAT tapes digitally into the MixPre 3-6-10?
Yes, but why bother with the extra step/device, when you could capture the digital feed in digital audio workstation (DAW) software and save it directly to your drive?


True enough. But in this scenario you end up with wav files on an SD card at the push of a record button which appeals to me over working in a DAW.

how is that different than ending up with wav files on an HD? youre just using the wave editor app to record.

also unless you have a third party soundcard, mac onboard digital in resamples data, so that in and of itself is inferior to the numerous cheap 2-channel recorders with digital in

Yes, of course I would use a recorder with digital in — I have many — but you’re missing the context of my remarks which was an earlier discussion of being able to go digital in into the MixPre units (which don’t have dig I/O) through a computer. I remembered someone suggesting that a forum member not buy a MixPre until they had archived their DATs with the dig in of their 744T. So it now seems possible to do that digitally with a MixPre.

As for “just using the wave editor app to record”, that’s my point: I prefer a workflow of pushing transport buttons over clicking a mouse. That’s just me. It’s no big deal.
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