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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2020, 11:55:57 AM »
Is there a good list of default settings for the average concert recording with 2 mics and a board patch?

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2020, 01:31:15 PM »
I have recorded a show with only two ISO's. How can i listen back to this throught the headphone out. :shrug:
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2020, 01:54:33 PM »
I have recorded a show with only two ISO's. How can i listen back to this throught the headphone out. :shrug:

Solo those tracks.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2020, 02:18:56 PM »
I have recorded a show with only two ISO's. How can i listen back to this throught the headphone out. :shrug:

Solo those tracks.

Thanks, it is that simple  :D
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2020, 10:44:56 PM »
Does anyone know if SD plans to add 32bit float capability to Wave Agent?

I *can* manipulate these tracts in Reaper as is, but my workflow would be so simplified by this update to Wave Agent.

This, more than anything is preventing me from upgrading.

For R&R, I suspect not much would change for me.

But for a chamber music gig....
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2020, 12:28:31 AM »
not sure that this is helpful but i archive my polywave files by stitching the short files together in soundforge and then saving the polywave as a single .w64 file

resulting files at 32/96 are ~10GB but its quick and dirty
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2020, 10:57:37 AM »
As it stands, I can now load and split polywaves in reaper, but loading them one by one, splitting them, rendering each pair, then combining the files into a single file per set/show, then reloading into reaper to normalize, etc, is just so many steps,

especially when trying to beat Chris King on getting my upload up etree.....  :smash: :shrug:
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2020, 03:04:48 PM »
If all of your sources have the same starting point it’s fairly easy to track it once im cdwav, save the cue sheet, and apply the cue sheet to the subsequent versions of different source/sample rate/ bitrate. It saves both split points and any special filenames in the cue sheet
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2020, 08:47:19 PM »
Anker PowerCore 10000 PD on sale at Amazon for $28.79

My go to battery for running my MP-6. I get 6.1 hours recording 2-mk41's + sbd,  recharges in 9ish hours.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2020, 01:45:48 PM »
FYI, we added the SanDisk Extreme 150MB/s 64GB SD card to our approved media list. Cost effective and widely available.

https://www.sounddevices.com/mixpre-series-approved-media-list/

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2020, 08:46:11 PM »
Just updated to current 6.00 firmware from 2.21 anyone running the most current firmware without issue?  TIA
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2020, 09:18:29 PM »
Just updated to current 6.00 firmware from 2.21 anyone running the most current firmware without issue?  TIA
I was advised by a SD technician to use the most current firmware to avoid the problems I had with the SD branded cards using 2.21


I upgraded, but have not tested it.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2020, 11:29:06 PM »
I'm still on the original v4 that came with my II series. If it ain't broke...
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2020, 09:06:00 PM »
I upgraded, but have not tested it.

I still have not recorded with it, but I am presently using the Mixpre-6 with firmware V6.00 as a USB audio interface (output) for my computer.

Pretty interesting using the digital input on the SD, and also cool to have meters on my sound interface! My Saffire has none, the MotU 828 has them, but is too big to sit within my visual field, and besides it hums when it's powered up. (signal is clean but box is noisy)

Does anyone else use theirs as a USB sound interface? I would be glad to hear hot tips!

Like turn off the limiter, I think I like it without, since it's monitoring a digital source now.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2020, 10:36:10 PM »

Pretty interesting using the digital input on the SD, and also cool to have meters on my sound interface! My Saffire has none, the MotU 828 has them, but is too big to sit within my visual field, and besides it hums when it's powered up. (signal is clean but box is noisy)

Does anyone else use theirs as a USB sound interface? I would be glad to hear hot tips! [/font]


Can you feed a USB signal from a device like the SONOSAX SX M2D2 into the MixPre II now??  How, what settings?

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2020, 12:35:42 AM »
Can you feed a USB signal from a device like the SONOSAX SX M2D2 into the MixPre II now??  How, what settings?
Get a cable and plug it in!
I've got my inputs set so that I can record the USB input directly onto 5-6 by hitting the Record button, but I turned that off to see what's up, and it still played audio through the l-r outputs and headphones from the computer via USB.
*I think that's because I've got those set for it. I messed with it for a while to get it working the way I wanted.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2020, 01:23:18 AM »
Can you feed a USB signal from a device like the SONOSAX SX M2D2 into the MixPre II now??  How, what settings?

You can record pretty much any audio that is played on the computer or fed into it from another audio source. No matter how it is fed in, line, USB, Thunderbolt, Firewire et al.
As long as it's an identifiable Audio I/O or can make a sound some how.

If you want to route audio in more complex ways on macOS - like the outdated Sound Flower driver offered - I can recommend BlackHole as the most up to date virtual driver.

https://github.com/ExistentialAudio/BlackHole

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2020, 01:24:19 AM »
Does it jam to the USB digital signal, or resample?


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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2020, 02:05:23 AM »
Does it jam to the USB digital signal, or resample?

You can select bit and sample rate and which source to act the clock.
Depends on the Mac but I believe most does hardware rate conversion.

https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/audio-midi-setup/ams59f301fda/mac

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2020, 02:19:38 AM »
There is no "Mac" involved.  I want to go from a Sonosax SX M2D2 via its USB out, into a MixPre II 6.  I have configured channels 5 and 6 on the MixPre to receive this stereo input, and also want to input analog signal from mics into channels 1-4.  Will tracks 1-4 clock correctly to the Sonosax or will the MixPre resample the digital input?  My old Sonosax 8-track MiniR82 would clock the analog inputs to digital inputs 5-6 (but not digital inputs 7-8).   Any idea what happens here??

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2020, 04:04:45 AM »
There is no "Mac" involved.  I want to go from a Sonosax SX M2D2 via its USB out, into a MixPre II 6.  I have configured channels 5 and 6 on the MixPre to receive this stereo input, and also want to input analog signal from mics into channels 1-4.  Will tracks 1-4 clock correctly to the Sonosax or will the MixPre resample the digital input?  My old Sonosax 8-track MiniR82 would clock the analog inputs to digital inputs 5-6 (but not digital inputs 7-8).   Any idea what happens here??

The MixPre acts as a USB Device only.
Unless the Sonosax can act as a USB Host which I doubt, two USB Devices can not communicate with each other.

You need a USB Host to which you can connect both the Sonosax and the Mixpre over USB - then you would be able to route USB audio in/Out as you like.
Perhaps a RPi could manage this as long as everything is device compliant so you don't need to mess around with drivers.
But I've never done it that way.

I've ran my Mixpre as an audio I/O to my Macs and my iPhones.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2020, 09:53:09 AM »
You can record pretty much any audio that is played on the computer or fed into it from another audio source. No matter how it is fed in, line, USB, Thunderbolt, Firewire et al.


Could you run a DAT machine digital out into a Mac and archive your DAT tapes digitally into the MixPre 3-6-10?
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2020, 11:57:04 AM »
I want to go from a Sonosax SX M2D2 via its USB out, into a MixPre II 6.

You won't be able to do this.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2020, 12:35:09 PM »
You can record pretty much any audio that is played on the computer or fed into it from another audio source. No matter how it is fed in, line, USB, Thunderbolt, Firewire et al.


Could you run a DAT machine digital out into a Mac and archive your DAT tapes digitally into the MixPre 3-6-10?

If both the Mac and dat have optical/electrical spdif it should work.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2020, 01:58:19 PM »
You can record pretty much any audio that is played on the computer or fed into it from another audio source. No matter how it is fed in, line, USB, Thunderbolt, Firewire et al.


Could you run a DAT machine digital out into a Mac and archive your DAT tapes digitally into the MixPre 3-6-10?

If both the Mac and dat have optical/electrical spdif it should work.
My HHB Portadat is on vacation in the basement. If I get some time over I’ll do a test this weekend.

Thanks.

I have a DAT machine lazing about. I should give it a try as well.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2020, 03:28:24 PM »
Could you run a DAT machine digital out into a Mac and archive your DAT tapes digitally into the MixPre 3-6-10?
Yes, but why bother with the extra step/device, when you could capture the digital feed in digital audio workstation (DAW) software and save it directly to your drive?

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2020, 04:21:35 PM »
Could you run a DAT machine digital out into a Mac and archive your DAT tapes digitally into the MixPre 3-6-10?
Yes, but why bother with the extra step/device, when you could capture the digital feed in digital audio workstation (DAW) software and save it directly to your drive?


True enough. But in this scenario you end up with wav files on an SD card at the push of a record button which appeals to me over working in a DAW.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2020, 09:36:58 PM »
True enough. But in this scenario you end up with wav files on an SD card at the push of a record button which appeals to me over working in a DAW.
Oh! If that's the goal, then by all means, proceed! Sounds like a great way to go about it.

But the reason I'm really back on THIS thread is to ask MixPre users if they can help with this bit about using the device on USB:

I wish I could control Stereo Output gain with the scroller knob (headphone knob) while viewing levels. I'd use the headphone out but that is RIGHT next to the dang knob!
I'd settle for controlling a linked pair with a single front panel knob.
Just nice to have a physical volume control handy in case of insane dynamics or perhaps a phone call. I can always go turn down the stereo...

Edit- figured out how to do this!
MixPre3 or 6 with V6.00 firmware - directions to set up as a handy USB audio interface for a computer.
Plug in MixPre to computer via USB-C port on recorder. Plug other end of compatible cable into your host computer.
 *Note* If your host machine is not able to provide sufficient power via USB-C, you will not be able to use a remote keyboard on the mixpre, or run more than 2 channels of Kashmir preamp. The power indicator will be amber, not green. Other functions mostly work the same, in my brief experience.
Click Hamburger icon, page to P3 > System, set Mode to Advanced, set USB-C to Audio, set USB Audio to Normal (optional: on page 2, set up bluetooth, if you want remote monitoring for your fancy new sound interface!
Channel 1-2 - push the input knob, (touchscreen to page 2!) set Linking 1-2, Set input on those channels to USB 1 left, and USB 2 right.
Now set Outputs > Stereo Gain to 0, Stereo Out Left is set to Chan 1, Stereo Out Right is set to Chan 2


At this point, main output level for the mini jack is set to the output from Channels 1-2, which get their input from the USB 1-2.
Main level is set on Channel one, balance on channel two (set it to the middle for most things!)
[I suspect I could use the mix bus, but I might be doing so now. Still new at this)
Touch the meters in the bottom to make it toggle through displaying sample rate and bit depth, time and date, Headphone info
Touch the meters in the middle to make it toggle through displaying your L-R main bus & USB input, L-R main bus with large bars, L-R main bus & Active channels
move the knob for input 1, and the display top left will jump to its current level setting as you move it.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #30 on: March 23, 2020, 10:12:58 PM »
I hate to be the only one posting, but I just noticed a couple things about WINGMAN software on my phone.
You can swipe sideways and get totally different looking meters.
After you do that you can swipe up and change if you're monitoring input or output, I think is what I'm seeing.

Furthermore- the initial screen also lets you swipe up or down to change modes!
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #31 on: March 23, 2020, 10:28:28 PM »
Could you run a DAT machine digital out into a Mac and archive your DAT tapes digitally into the MixPre 3-6-10?
Yes, but why bother with the extra step/device, when you could capture the digital feed in digital audio workstation (DAW) software and save it directly to your drive?


True enough. But in this scenario you end up with wav files on an SD card at the push of a record button which appeals to me over working in a DAW.

how is that different than ending up with wav files on an HD? youre jsut using the wave editor app to record.

also unless you have a third party soundcard, mac onboard digital in resamples data, so that in and of itself is inferior to the numerous cheap 2-channel recorders with digital in
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2020, 12:05:25 AM »
also unless you have a third party soundcard, mac onboard digital in resamples data, so that in and of itself is inferior to the numerous cheap 2-channel recorders with digital in
That makes sense, I have to choose sample rate & bit depth from the Mac Audio MIDI setup program.
It doesn't let me choose a source to Lock on, and it doesn't switch when I play something at a different rate (for instance, if I choose 48K, and play a CD, the MixPre still says 48.)


Another thing I just found out about is that Mac OS now lets you make "Aggregate devices" and will sync several different sound interface options.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2020, 12:11:00 AM »
also unless you have a third party soundcard, mac onboard digital in resamples data, so that in and of itself is inferior to the numerous cheap 2-channel recorders with digital in
That makes sense, I have to choose sample rate & bit depth from the Mac Audio MIDI setup program.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2020, 07:09:42 AM »
Could you run a DAT machine digital out into a Mac and archive your DAT tapes digitally into the MixPre 3-6-10?
Yes, but why bother with the extra step/device, when you could capture the digital feed in digital audio workstation (DAW) software and save it directly to your drive?


True enough. But in this scenario you end up with wav files on an SD card at the push of a record button which appeals to me over working in a DAW.

how is that different than ending up with wav files on an HD? youre just using the wave editor app to record.

also unless you have a third party soundcard, mac onboard digital in resamples data, so that in and of itself is inferior to the numerous cheap 2-channel recorders with digital in

Yes, of course I would use a recorder with digital in — I have many — but you’re missing the context of my remarks which was an earlier discussion of being able to go digital in into the MixPre units (which don’t have dig I/O) through a computer. I remembered someone suggesting that a forum member not buy a MixPre until they had archived their DATs with the dig in of their 744T. So it now seems possible to do that digitally with a MixPre.

As for “just using the wave editor app to record”, that’s my point: I prefer a workflow of pushing transport buttons over clicking a mouse. That’s just me. It’s no big deal.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2020, 03:41:58 PM »
I know it's not the usual use here, but is anyone using one of these with the musician's plugin to multitrack. Just wondering how well it works--especially wondering about workflow for recording yourself. Is it easy or are you always having to fiddle around with the touchscreen and knobs to get to the next track etc.? I have a setup with an Apogee One, iPad, and Auria--but one device sounds attractive.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #36 on: April 29, 2020, 03:06:33 PM »
I am having trouble with routing channels 5&6 to headphones when doing onboard playback. For example, I can set up preset one as 5&6 only and there's no output, but when I "solo" those channels on their respective channel screens, they work. Any ideas?
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #37 on: April 29, 2020, 11:46:52 PM »
I am having trouble with routing channels 5&6 to headphones when doing onboard playback. For example, I can set up preset one as 5&6 only and there's no output, but when I "solo" those channels on their respective channel screens, they work. Any ideas?
Have not dug in lately on headphone mixing...  but are they "post fader" so you'd have to turn up the level on 5-6 (using the knob?) There is an option for pre or post.
(Pre fade shows green, post shows blue on the edit preset screen)

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2020, 11:07:09 AM »
New firmware (v. 7) has been released...
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2020, 11:18:09 AM »
Interesting: They are adding features from the high end series. It was Mix Assist, now Noise Assist (althought the latter only for the II Series, which seem to be a much more powerful processor).

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2020, 03:13:55 PM »
Interesting: They are adding features from the high end series. It was Mix Assist, now Noise Assist (althought the latter only for the II Series, which seem to be a much more powerful processor).
oh, joy, a $300 plugin.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #41 on: June 23, 2020, 07:52:50 AM »
Interesting: They are adding features from the high end series. It was Mix Assist, now Noise Assist (althought the latter only for the II Series, which seem to be a much more powerful processor).
oh, joy, a $300 plugin.
Thanks, I'll deal with it in post. Lucky for me I don't depend on my Mix Outs #ILoveISOs

$300 seems crazy expensive, but that is HALF THE COST of what I'm being charged for NoiseAssist for my 833

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #42 on: June 24, 2020, 03:34:18 PM »
$300 seems crazy expensive, but that is HALF THE COST of what I'm being charged for NoiseAssist for my 833
I'm sure it's fair for what it does, I just don't need that.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #43 on: July 19, 2020, 05:38:39 PM »
I joined the team and picked up a hardly used mp6. Read through all 6 previous threads and got this setup pretty easily. Upgraded to firmware 7 and ran a couple tests so far with different battery options. I found using two 8800mAh L-series batteries I was able to record just over 16 hours before they died. Kind of wish the sled was for a single battery facing backwards as it's kind of awkward to fit into a gear bag with two on the sled. Will probably pick up a usb c battery pack. Are there any differences between the Anker and RavPower power banks?

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #44 on: July 19, 2020, 05:53:37 PM »
Have it setup in custom mode, has anyone noticed that when you link two channels, the second control knob becomes a balance control? I am unsure where to really place it - or if it is even relevant if I am not recording to Mix L R.

yes, i love this feature.  used to have to turn one knob down with one hand and simultaneously turn a second knob up with my other hand to try and make it seamless. 

now that they're linked, the one balance knob is nice to have if you're in a strange spot and one channel is running more hot than the other. 

Although, with the II, in 32bit, i don't think it will matter much/at all.  i plan to pretty much just set up the mics and hit record in 32bit.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #45 on: July 21, 2020, 10:10:36 AM »
I leave balance on C "center" and fix in post if off a bit.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #46 on: July 21, 2020, 10:21:21 AM »
What am I missing staying on early firmware. Don't recall the version number, but it's just before the pre-roll feature.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #47 on: July 21, 2020, 01:34:54 PM »
What am I missing staying on early firmware. Don't recall the version number, but it's just before the pre-roll feature.
they may have fixed the bug where my machine crashed a couple times with 3.01?
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #48 on: July 21, 2020, 09:05:34 PM »
What am I missing staying on early firmware. Don't recall the version number, but it's just before the pre-roll feature.

I'm on 6.0 and preroll doesn't seem to work for me.  :shrug
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #49 on: July 22, 2020, 08:59:18 AM »
Try backing down a to the previous firmware! 

What am I missing staying on early firmware. Don't recall the version number, but it's just before the pre-roll feature.

I'm on 6.0 and preroll doesn't seem to work for me.  :shrug
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #50 on: July 22, 2020, 09:20:04 AM »
I leave balance on C "center" and fix in post if off a bit.

The balance affects only the mix tracks and not the ISO’s.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #51 on: July 22, 2020, 12:27:19 PM »
I leave balance on C "center" and fix in post if off a bit.

The balance affects only the mix tracks and not the ISO’s.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #52 on: July 22, 2020, 01:32:07 PM »
Not on my deck!

I leave balance on C "center" and fix in post if off a bit.

The balance affects only the mix tracks and not the ISO’s.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #53 on: July 22, 2020, 01:58:38 PM »
not on mine either running Custom Mode with Gain set to Basic

Not on my deck!

I leave balance on C "center" and fix in post if off a bit.

The balance affects only the mix tracks and not the ISO’s.


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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #54 on: July 22, 2020, 02:44:38 PM »
Same here. I turn the mix tracks off.
not on mine either running Custom Mode with Gain set to Basic

Not on my deck!

I leave balance on C "center" and fix in post if off a bit.

The balance affects only the mix tracks and not the ISO’s.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #55 on: July 23, 2020, 01:59:03 AM »
You guys are correct that it does alter the ISO tracks when paired.

I am in Custom Mode > Gain Basic

Tried also with Gain Advanced and really don't see a difference in knob function, but it does add a Gain level in the menu when you push on an input knob which you cannot put below 6 dB. Will need to play around and see what exactly it is adjusting.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #56 on: July 23, 2020, 12:09:57 PM »
^ With gain set to basic, both the pre-amp and digital gain are combined and controlled with the front panel knob. With advanced, the pre-amp gain is controlled by the menu/encoder knob and the front panel knob controls the digital gain applied to the mix.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #57 on: July 23, 2020, 11:39:10 PM »
^ With gain set to basic, both the pre-amp and digital gain are combined and controlled with the front panel knob. With advanced, the pre-amp gain is controlled by the menu/encoder knob and the front panel knob controls the digital gain applied to the mix.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #58 on: July 28, 2020, 12:27:35 PM »
Firmware 7.10 is out with front panels locks!

New

Introducing front panel locks. Press channel knobs 1, 2, and 3 to enter the new Front Panel menu. Lock transport controls, touchscreen, channel knobs, and/or the headphone knob to avoid accidental changes or when you are leaving your MixPre unattended.
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Holding down a key on a USB keyboard for >0.5s now repeats the command. This improves usability of keyboards for setting gain and other functions.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #59 on: July 28, 2020, 02:19:04 PM »
Firmware 7.10 is out with front panels locks!
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #60 on: July 28, 2020, 02:24:31 PM »
Firmware 7.10 is out with front panels locks!
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #61 on: July 28, 2020, 02:58:41 PM »
Updated my firmware and the front panel locks are a neat feature that I am sure I will use in the future.

Now only if there is a way to control the gain from the Wingman app...
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #62 on: July 28, 2020, 06:43:01 PM »
Updating from v7.0 only required a single reboot.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #63 on: July 30, 2020, 09:13:56 AM »
Updated my firmware and the front panel locks are a neat feature that I am sure I will use in the future.

Now only if there is a way to control the gain from the Wingman app...

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Gain is not yet controllable using the Wingman app but this is an interesting development nonetheless...

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #64 on: July 31, 2020, 05:50:23 PM »
Ran into my first glitch today on the new firmware. I am using the mp6 to transfer old minidiscs to my mac using usb C (no 3.5mm audio input on the mac). Took a minute to configure the 1 & 2 inputs to USB outs and that is working just fine. While doing the first transfer I figured I should save the settings to a preset on the SD card. I navigated to the preset menu, named it, and when I hit 'ok' to save, the mp6 went into this loud feedback loop that required me to turn off the unit to remedy. I reloaded the preset when power was back on and everything is working perfectly.

Worth noting, I am not recording to the mp6, just using it as a passthrough device. The only thing the device is doing is monitoring levels.

*I think what I did was save a preset with the same name and it did not like that. Forgot I had already saved one.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #65 on: August 07, 2020, 06:50:46 PM »
Just curious, did you reformat the SD card in the MixPre after upgrading the firmware before saving the preset to the card?
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #66 on: August 08, 2020, 07:11:13 AM »
Just curious, did you reformat the SD card in the MixPre after upgrading the firmware before saving the preset to the card?

I’m curious about this.

How do I save my settings to the SD card?

I assume the firmware update will reset my settings?

What’s the best way to update while retaining settings?
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #67 on: August 10, 2020, 09:26:18 AM »
updating firmware will not change the settings but it's a good idea to revert to default and reconfigure after an upgrade.  if you save presets on the mp (default) then they remain after loading factory defaults.  That is if restored to default via presets.  If they are saved to SD then simply copy somewhere before formatting.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #68 on: August 10, 2020, 11:19:13 AM »
From Paul Isaacs regarding an earlier update which likely applies to all updates moving forward...

"Guys - v3.00 has been in QA for many many weeks and passed intensive testing. It is highly recommended that after you update to new firmware, you load factory defaults, then reformat your SD card in the MixPre, then rebuild any presets. A machine can literally have millions of possible setting states. So starting from a clean factory default state/preset often clears up things after a major firmware update. If this doesn't help, then please contact our tech support who will help you resolve issue. Thx"

Edit to add info regarding a reset because it appears you can’t just delete old presets...

You can restore the whole unit to factory state by holding down the headphone encoder and CH1 fader while booting the unit. Note that this will reset everything.

On the next power up after doing the reset the recorder performed a reboot.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #69 on: August 10, 2020, 11:44:00 AM »
Wondering how SD resolve the issue of panel knobs getting out of sync with levels? Eg, set gain, lock front panel, know gets turned. What happens when unlocked?

If they've addressed this issue, then front panel lock brings us a step closer to wingman gain control.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #70 on: August 10, 2020, 12:18:42 PM »
Wondering how SD resolve the issue of panel knobs getting out of sync with levels? Eg, set gain, lock front panel, know gets turned. What happens when unlocked?
If they've addressed this issue, then front panel lock brings us a step closer to wingman gain control.
My guess is that you can only do it in a mode where the knobs don't control the levels directly.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #71 on: August 10, 2020, 12:35:04 PM »
Wondering how SD resolve the issue of panel knobs getting out of sync with levels? Eg, set gain, lock front panel, know gets turned. What happens when unlocked?
If they've addressed this issue, then front panel lock brings us a step closer to wingman gain control.
My guess is that you can only do it in a mode where the knobs don't control the levels directly.
*hell no I am not putting x.0 firmware on my working machine
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #72 on: August 10, 2020, 01:04:35 PM »
Sorry, I'm a fucking liar. I'm grudgingly running the 6.00 because I was advised to by SD service. It's working for my current use as USB interface.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #73 on: August 11, 2020, 04:25:53 PM »
Just curious, did you reformat the SD card in the MixPre after upgrading the firmware before saving the preset to the card?

I did do a reformat, I saved the presets to a folder on my desktop to move them over.

Noticed that if I change the preset while sound in being input, I will get a similar loud ringing while the preset loads.

Will probably wipe the unit again and just reload the presets from the deck itself and save fresh files. Everything has been working fine otherwise.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #74 on: August 11, 2020, 06:23:08 PM »
Just curious, did you reformat the SD card in the MixPre after upgrading the firmware before saving the preset to the card?

I did do a reformat, I saved the presets to a folder on my desktop to move them over.

Noticed that if I change the preset while sound in being input, I will get a similar loud ringing while the preset loads.

Will probably wipe the unit again and just reload the presets from the deck itself and save fresh files. Everything has been working fine otherwise.

While doing the first transfer I figured I should save the settings to a preset on the SD card. I navigated to the preset menu, named it, and when I hit 'ok' to save"

It looks like Sound Devices recommends we perform a reset then rebuild "not reload" presets after a firmware update and reformatting cards.

[From Reply #68 Above]

It is highly recommended that after you update to new firmware, you load factory defaults, then reformat your SD card in the MixPre, then rebuild any presets.

You can restore the whole unit to factory state by holding down the headphone encoder and CH1 fader while booting the unit. Note that this will reset everything.



How do I save my settings to the SD card?

I assume the firmware update will reset my settings?

Earlier "justink" had an inquiry about saving presets to SD Card, I took the attached photos to help illustrate how that's done...
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #75 on: August 12, 2020, 11:43:52 AM »
Thank you
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #76 on: August 22, 2020, 08:26:47 PM »
So, is it safe to update to 7.1?  I don’t want to rebuild my presets if I should wait for the next one. But I do want the front panel lock.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #77 on: August 23, 2020, 09:27:24 AM »
Updated my Mixpre-6!  The lock controls are nice, but I haven't done extensive testing to find bugs.  I assume by the next time I can see a concert that someone will ferret out any issues and they will probably have an updated firmware with fixes. Upon initial use everything seems to be working just fine.

So, is it safe to update to 7.1?  I don’t want to rebuild my presets if I should wait for the next one. But I do want the front panel lock.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #78 on: August 23, 2020, 02:14:04 PM »
I updated to 7.1, haven't really done any bug testing but haven't encountered any in use either.  Thanks to COVID have only been doing some stereo ambience nature recording and have shifted more into dialog/conversational recording along with utilizing the MixPre-6 as a computer streaming interface use for with Zoom meetings etc.  Picked up some DPA mics to better fit these current recording applications as it'll probably be a while before resuming live music recording.   
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #79 on: September 06, 2020, 05:15:36 PM »
can someone clarify something for me?

MixPre10 II:

If i'm taking a mixed/main out [XLR (left/right)] from a desk, would I be fine going XLR into the MixPre (phantom off, of course), or would I need to go into the MixPre with TRS?  Does it matter?

For example, I have channels 5 & 6 linked, Armed, Line In (not mic).  Am I good going XLR out from board - > XLR into deck?  Or should I go XLR out from board - > TRS into deck?  Does it matter?
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #80 on: September 06, 2020, 05:34:12 PM »
I always use xlr ins, prefer a locking connector. Never had an issue w line level desk feeds via this path.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #81 on: September 06, 2020, 08:10:32 PM »
With some decks, like the original Zoom F-8, you have to use TRS to get line level, but with the Mixpre-x you set line or microphone level via the menus and can use with XLR or TRS
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #82 on: September 06, 2020, 08:29:51 PM »
I always use xlr ins, prefer a locking connector. Never had an issue w line level desk feeds via this path.

With some decks, like the original Zoom F-8, you have to use TRS to get line level, but with the Mixpre-x you set line or microphone level via the menus and can use with XLR or TRS

Thank y'all.  That's what I thought but wanted verification. 
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #83 on: September 07, 2020, 08:19:20 AM »
I use XLR for mics channel 1 & 2, but I like right angle 1/4 cables for SBD feeds.  They are low profile and easy to situate in the bag at any position needed. 

Edit:  These have worked well for SBD feeds and are cheap.  We also use these with our Henry patchbox.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Audio2000s-E20112-12Ft-1-4-TRS-Right-Angle-to-XLR-3pin-Female-Microphone-Cable/221392638211?hash=item338c079103:g:rgwAAOxy0x1TUByF
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #84 on: September 14, 2020, 05:15:01 PM »
something weird just happened.

i put AA's in and powered on.

first screen said "new firmware detected - installing"

then it said "install successful, unit will restart now"

buuuuut i never put any new firmware on the SD card and it started and finished on 6.0.

so, whaaaaaat?
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DPA 4028 (Subcardioid)
DPA 4018V (Supercardioid)
Earthworks TC25 (Omni) 

Pres and A/D's:
Grace Design Lunatec V3 (Oade ACM)
Edirol UA-5 (bm2p+ Mod)

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 7
« Reply #85 on: September 15, 2020, 03:23:22 PM »
Pre-roll question:

I go into the record menu and have Pre-roll set for 10 seconds. 

But when I start a recording it always starts at zero on the timer.  My R-44 would start the timer 5 seconds (or whatever the pre-roll was).

Is the pre-roll even working?  Is it still saving 10 forward seconds even though the record timer starts at zero?  i'm confused.


ANSWER:

I ran a test.  Recorded exactly 10 seconds, then pressed play and it played for 20 seconds.  So, Pre-Roll works in the background without showing on the record counter.  Good to know.
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Mics:
DPA 4023 (Cardioid)
DPA 4028 (Subcardioid)
DPA 4018V (Supercardioid)
Earthworks TC25 (Omni) 

Pres and A/D's:
Grace Design Lunatec V3 (Oade ACM)
Edirol UA-5 (bm2p+ Mod)

Recorders:
Sound Devices MixPre10 II
Edirol R-44 (Oade CM)
Sony PCM‑M10

 

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