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Re: Zoom F3 Part 2
« Reply #225 on: May 30, 2025, 11:59:32 AM »
The menu is pretty simple on this, but is there a list posted of preferred settings? I've been wading thru the pages and can't seem to find one.

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Re: Zoom F3 Part 2
« Reply #226 on: May 30, 2025, 12:53:47 PM »
The menu is pretty simple on this, but is there a list posted of preferred settings? I've been wading thru the pages and can't seem to find one.

Any specific setting(s) that you are interested in?  Things like Mic/line and battery type are going to be specific to your environment. Sampling rate of 48kHz is good and going past 96kHz will be overkill. I think my waveform size is at +32 currently.  I turn prerecord on to give a little buffer in case I am slow on hitting record. I display elapsed recording time. Sound markers off since don't need to synch with another device.

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Re: Zoom F3 Part 2
« Reply #227 on: June 01, 2025, 12:40:22 PM »
The menu is pretty simple on this, but is there a list posted of preferred settings? I've been wading thru the pages and can't seem to find one.

Any specific setting(s) that you are interested in?  Things like Mic/line and battery type are going to be specific to your environment. Sampling rate of 48kHz is good and going past 96kHz will be overkill. I think my waveform size is at +32 currently.  I turn prerecord on to give a little buffer in case I am slow on hitting record. I display elapsed recording time. Sound markers off since don't need to synch with another device.

Probably just magnification setting. I'm using +64 for now. And as gotbucket discussed in great detail, I need to do some serious testing if I want to try Lithium AA recharegables again.

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Re: Zoom F3 Part 2
« Reply #228 on: June 02, 2025, 04:12:46 PM »
Ran a test with the Lithium rechargeable batts and ended up with 4 files. 3 at the 2 gig split and the 4th made it to 1.02 gigs but won't open and in property details it shows zero minutes. I'm guessing it didn't save properly on shutdown. Maybe a lithium quirk? So ended up with 4:30 some minutes not counting the corrupt file.

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Re: Zoom F3 Part 2
« Reply #229 on: June 02, 2025, 04:34:05 PM »
^Could be a consequence of the very rapid drop-off in supply voltage which occurs once the voltage regulator inside the battery can no longer draw sufficient current to do its job in maintaining the target output voltage.  If graphed, the voltage curve drop off for that battery probably looks more like a steep cliff at the end of a flat plateau, rather than a more gentle hill-shape which drops off over a longer time-period.

That fast drop off in voltage at the end of the battery's discharge cycle may not allow the F3 sufficient time to save the file and shut down gracefully once the battery voltage drops below the recorder's "uh oh, I gotta shutdown now" threshold.   .
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Re: Zoom F3 Part 2
« Reply #230 on: June 02, 2025, 07:18:37 PM »
^yes makes sense. I forgot to add, I also had the battery setting on nimh. The lithium setting , which I assumed was for throw aways, only got me about 2 hours.

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Re: Zoom F3 Part 2
« Reply #232 on: June 05, 2025, 11:24:18 PM »
I've been meaning to update on the removal of the metal protective "cage" of my F3 to make it more low-profile. I did this last fall after taking advantage of a $200 Zoom F3 BH Photo deal and having 2 F3's.

I used a dremel saw kit (similar to the link below) to make the cuts.

https://www.amazon.com/Blades-Cutting-Plastic-Aluminum-Screwdriver/dp/B0BLSM8Y6Y/ref=sr_1_3_sspa?crid=1A1G1RLJ3JZBN&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.u5Iwkp0qD9SdlmWog31fExVNmjXU1OdGnGE9Vv-81J1TaB8riA3fao9UJPRM7bpiw8LEOA1n2MRj8RB54idEudopuOloLIt23Mm663KpWLsWUyOLZJ6tljlJomPn88io15IoAAOIhhLNiZIwIrIpIUppoMjWTCGe_tHWJMWPr4eic58AFiNoXatl7bIjnUmbW37QD37xLb7e69_0gM7_seTpW2hLMJVEX7zSS-n_pHu88BV0_FYlLZ6i6QIpn5tAZk2JoEWBRSF5v78C_tc1G58zNpE2LUo6NUx6oS_0KR8.M2gCbZpcNZNGOr0m0QcqPBHZoMMMFC6WQ9-uhBL4YsA&dib_tag=se&keywords=dremel+saw+kit&qid=1749174908&sprefix=dremel+saw+kit%2Caps%2C173&sr=8-3-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1

I made my initial cuts as indicated with the red lines in the first pic below.

So the "gun-metal grey" part of the F3, where I made the cuts, is actually metal (I thought it was plastic). The black part of the F3 is plastic. I've used these little dremel saws before and knew that (depending on what you're cutting) it's not as straight forward and easy as you think: the saw teeth can catch and jerk around pretty easily. Holding the F3 with one hand and sawing with the other is doable but not ideal.

I ended up carefully clamping down the F3 using a clamp with rubber feet, BUT there's no great place to clamp the F3 down as I didn't want to put a bunch of force on the screen/buttons. So I settled on (akwardly) clamping down on the gun-metal grey parts I was cutting into and the screen itself, but as gently as possible. This allowed me to hold the dremel with 2 hands and secure it so it wasn't jerking around when the teeth catch while grinding into the metal.

I STARTED the cuts with the saw blade cutting into the metal the "smooth" way; in other words the sharp teeth of the blade were not directly biting into the metal, as it was catching too much when I did it the "sharp" way. This allowed me to get a decent groove/cut going, then I switched positions to make the majority of the cut the "sharp" way. Haha I hope this makes sense, please comment if this is confusing and I will attempt to clarify. I think a drill with faster speeds would probably allow less catching, but I only have a huge akward electric drill and I preferred the control of the smaller dremel.

You have to cut pretty deep to get the metal arms separated. I definitely cut down into the black plastic that's underneath the metal arms.  Once I made all the cuts, I was hoping the connected arms would just slide off downward pretty easily, but it took a little finagling and prying, fortunately it wasn't terribly difficult. It's possible you could make the cuts a little lower down (indicated by the YELLOW line in the first pic) and they'll slide off a little easier, BUT you'll be left with a little more bulk at the top. You could just sand it down tho, keep in mind it's metal and not plastic.

Then once I finagled the arms off (see pics of them below), I just used a dremel grinding wheel to smooth everything over. Doesn't look great up close, but it's much slimmer and it's always in a bag or my pocket anyway.

While performing this "operation", I was concerned about all the vibrations I was creating from cutting and grinding into the metal. You have to apply some force to make the cuts, and it certainly was rattling the unit. Clamping down on it (to hold it in place), partially on the screen (!) was also concerning and I was definitely holding my breath when I turned it on for the first time. But lo and behold, I have taped a good 30+ shows with this unit since, and no problems!

Sorry for the detailed descriptions, but I know many are interested in this mod for stealthing purposes and I wanted to document the process. Hopefully people can take this and perhaps improve the method even further. Thanks to eman for being the first (I think) to try this and posting here (I believe his posts and pics are somewhere in this thread).

After stealthing with these pre and post mod, I definitely feel like it was worth it. Please proceed with caution though, it was not as cut and dry as I thought it was going to be.

I also got a TINY shoulder strap bag from Walmart (like 6 x 8 inches, see pics below) that I use for open taping when I don't wanna lug a bunch of crap around. I've clamped to some great FOB spots, strapped this tiny bag to the clamp/post and made some killer recordings this way. The battery in the pics is Miady 5000mAh I got off Amazon. Great batts, I've gotten 10+ hours so far with room to go.
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Re: Zoom F3 Part 2
« Reply #233 on: June 05, 2025, 11:45:13 PM »
Dang, you said you were going to do that after my post. That's more stealthy than my mod.

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Re: Zoom F3 Part 2
« Reply #234 on: June 06, 2025, 12:42:56 PM »
Ah yes it looks like you took the bars off the bottom and sanded it down smooth. That still removes quite a bit of bulk and leaves some extra protection. It's also less intensive, so maybe people can start with that mod and see how it works.

Either way these F3's are getting cheaper, especially if you wait for a sale. I hate supporting Amazon, but I think their Prime days are coming up if you don't want to wait for Black Friday. Usually Sweetwater and BH all match each other when there's a sale so check their sites as well.

Getting a 2nd F3 is nice because you can always use it as a mono XLR soundboard recorder, I always stash it in the car with a 3ft. XLR cable in case something like that pops up.
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Re: Zoom F3 Part 2
« Reply #235 on: June 06, 2025, 03:42:06 PM »
Yeah I used a hacksaw and cut off flush with the bottom. I left the rails on since they came off anyway with the cut. The metal is quite hard.

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Re: Zoom F3 Part 2
« Reply #236 on: June 07, 2025, 11:00:52 PM »
The best way to do this is with a milling machine. I have been meaning to and never have time. Very nice work.

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Re: Zoom F3 Part 2
« Reply #237 on: June 08, 2025, 01:39:02 PM »


What I think when I read about you cutting up your decks.
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Re: Zoom F3 Part 2
« Reply #238 on: June 08, 2025, 10:15:16 PM »
haha it was definitely nerve wracking. but that's why I waited until I got the 2nd one. Eman actually completely dissasembled his, which is very very difficult to do, so props to him because that showed us where to make the cuts to get all the legs off.

Yes mepaca, that metal is very hard. I'm curious if it's steel or aluminum, although I'm guessing steel because the 2 leg/bracket things that I removed are actually quite heavy in the hand.

I wish I had access to a milling machine, as that's what my brother in law suggested. Please don't hesitate to update us on your findings if you ever try this. While I imagine we'll eventually get some more small stereo decks that surpass the F3, it is for now my go-to recorder in terms of sound and reliability and I'd love to keep a few around for different scenarios.
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Re: Zoom F3 Part 2
« Reply #239 on: June 09, 2025, 10:19:46 AM »
How many of you friends have the bluetooth adapter for the f3? Do you find it beneficial and to offer anything helpful?
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