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Re: Oddball microphone technique (OMT) - part 4
« Reply #225 on: April 07, 2026, 09:24:15 PM »
Oh my!  What a large MOVO you have.

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Re: Oddball microphone technique (OMT) - part 4
« Reply #226 on: April 08, 2026, 09:44:38 AM »
 ;)  Its all about how you use it!
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Re: Oddball microphone technique (OMT) - part 4
« Reply #227 on: Yesterday at 09:28:14 AM »
So first time running OMT-6 the other day.  I was in the balcony and confirmed that I probably need some supercards in the middle X/Y instead of just regular cards.  Any recommendations on some reasonably/mid priced ones (aka $1000 is not in that description)? 
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Re: Oddball microphone technique (OMT) - part 4
« Reply #228 on: Yesterday at 09:52:08 AM »
So first time running OMT-6 the other day.  I was in the balcony and confirmed that I probably need some supercards in the middle X/Y instead of just regular cards.  Any recommendations on some reasonably/mid priced ones (aka $1000 is not in that description)?

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Re: Oddball microphone technique (OMT) - part 4
« Reply #229 on: Yesterday at 12:09:23 PM »
So first time running OMT-6 the other day.  I was in the balcony and confirmed that I probably need some supercards in the middle X/Y instead of just regular cards.  Any recommendations on some reasonably/mid priced ones (aka $1000 is not in that description)?

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I have had success using hypers in the middle, especially when running the rear channel and running the hypers at 0' and 180'
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Re: Oddball microphone technique (OMT) - part 4
« Reply #230 on: Yesterday at 05:59:48 PM »
That's a good question.  And good to hear what others suggest and are using.

There are a few flavors of OMT6. Did the arrangement you used add a near-spaced L/R pair flanking the X/Y center pair, or a rear-facing pair?    Supercard directivity helps in those positions as well as in the center pair.  It then gets down to where they are most useful.

One advantage of higher channel count OMT setups is that the mics help cover each other's deficiencies.  A weak low frequency response in the supercards can be made up for by the presence of the omnis or other wide pattern mics.  Off-axis pattern response deficiencies which sound not so great when used alone or in a stereo pair can get smoothed over by the mics, especially those facing other directions.  In that way I was able to determine early on that I could get away with using good mics that were less than top-most quality and still achieve the results I wanted more consistently in taper situations, compared to what I was able to achieve using a single pair of top-quality mics on their own.  Yes more mics in total, but less costly ones than I otherwise needed to achieve the same level of satisfaction in the end.  Of course no problems using premium quality mics all the way around, use 'em if you got 'em.  It's just that I'm unable to afford or justify doing it that way myself.

Based partly on that I ended up using DPA 4098H supercards in place top quality MG supercards.  I think DPA 4098 run around $700 each new, ~500 used.  I was fortunate to find a set of 5 secondhand for a very attractive price years ago.  The are an odd format which I am happy with (I've posted plenty about them in these threads and elsewhere at TS) and use or have used them in all of the directional mic positions of my OMT6 and OMT8 setups, including the Mid channel of the center Mid/Side pair.  Not saying they are the right choice for you and I will note that I've never actually run them in X/Y since I use a Mid/Side pair in the center.  I swapped the M/S center that way using the 4098 out for an Audio Technica BP4098 stereo shotgun a few years back, partly to play around with an even more directional Mid, but mostly as an inexpensive way to upgrade the Side channel fig-8.  I picked up the AT stereo mic here on TS secondhand. I think they run around $800 new, a good deal considering its really two mics in one.. which simplifies things in only needing a single mic-clip and cable.  Its significantly longer though (see the "what a large Movo you have" comment above ;)). 
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For those reasons you might alternately consider a supercardoid X/Y stereo mic or a Mid/Side stereo mic with a sufficiently directional Mid for use in the center.

Of course a pair of super/hypers is nice to have for other reasons.  They can be used to advantage in other positions in the array, used in other non OMT setups, etc.
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Re: Oddball microphone technique (OMT) - part 4
« Reply #231 on: Yesterday at 06:28:43 PM »
At higher channel count OMT setups it helps to switch to more directional mics such as supercards which make for smaller divisions of the pie. When used in the near-spaced L/R pair position angled +/-45°, a supercard pair often provides the majority of the "upfront presence and clarity" in the mix, if that's what you are looking for.  For that reason I've been thinking about going back to using a supercardioid or cardioid Mid in the center pair along with making the near-spaced L/R pair as ultra-directional as possible. The other good use for them is a rear-facing pair where they achieve maximum rejection of sound arriving from the front.

My current daydream cost-no-object thought-experiment rig flips the supercard/shotgun directionality of my current L/C/R arrangement by using a pair of super-directional Schoeps Super CMIT shotguns in the near-spaced ~+/-45° L/R position (their DSP derived super-directionality may make it possible to angle them even tighter, closer to PAS) along with a Mid/Side mic that incorporates an interchangeable Mid pattern.  Expensive daydream.

Point is that I'm not entirely sure where the greatest directionality is best used in the array.  I currently have it in the shotgun center mic position (supercards elsewhere) and like it.  Better in the L/R pair?  All three positions? Dunno.  I was satisfied using supercards in all three, but there is always more..

A few thoughts about OMT6 and up:

The "most optional" mic in my OMT8 setup is the fig-8 channel of the Mid/Side pair.  Partly because I have a near-spaced L/R supercard pair flanking the coincident center, providing good imaging from the three-mic L/C/R arrangement.  Because of that, the Side channel which would otherwise be much more important, adds more of a touch of magic sauce, which I can mute (making OMT7) and remain happy.  Honestly the result with it muted is often more strictly accurate in terms of positional imaging across the front playback stage.  The next most optional mics are the rear-facing pair.  If those aren't active, using a coincident pair in the center instead of just a single center channel becomes more important.  In other words, I can live with a single channel in the center when I have rear facing mics, and can sometimes live without the rear-facing mics if I have that Side channel in the center.. but ideally use them all.
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Re: Oddball microphone technique (OMT) - part 4
« Reply #232 on: Today at 07:29:55 AM »
So my low-rent set up was: 

KM184s - center X/Y
CM4s - Split out 24", angled 45 degrees
OM1s - Split out 42", pointing straight

The Neumans did the best they could, I was just a little far away in the balcony and the venue doesn't have overly huge speaker stacks on the sides of the room.  This is where I think a set of supers/hypers would help to bring the vocals closer as you mention.  I have a ATR6550 shotgun I was thinking about playing around for the center.  What pleasantly surprises me is the CM4s really add mid-range to the mix but the OM1s don't seem to add a lot, possible they are doing much of the same work?
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