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Re: Zoom H1 XLR 32bit recorder to be announced on Aug. 8 2024
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2024, 09:48:53 AM »
https://zoomcorp.com/en/us/handheld-recorders/handheld-recorders/h1-xlr/

Thrre are a few introductory videos on YouTube if you search for the name in quotes.

Runs for 4 hours with phantom power on, so you'd probably need to use a powerbank.  EIN -122 so not amazing on the noise front, as might be expected anyway.

Overall it seems to me to be a reasonable quality well-featured all-round two track device that might suit a wide range of uses and will sell like hot cakes. 
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Re: Zoom H1 XLR 32bit recorder to be announced on Aug. 8 2024
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2024, 10:56:58 AM »
https://zoomcorp.com/en/us/handheld-recorders/handheld-recorders/h1-xlr/

EIN -122 so not amazing on the noise front, as might be expected anyway.

Would anyone care to explain to someone dumb like me: What is the significance of the difference of the noise data published by Zoom:
EIN -122 of the new H1 XLR Handy Recorder
versus
EIN -127 of the F3 recorder?
I don't really know how to understand this difference of 5.

I have the original H1 but can't find official Zoom EIN data as a reference.
I do know that my R-07 was an audible improvement over the H1. Yet, I have no idea by how much in objective numbers.

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Re: Zoom H1 XLR 32bit Handy Recorder announced on Aug. 8 2024
« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2024, 11:58:40 AM »
I'm not the best person to answer that question directly, but I notice that the EIN of this new recorder is marginally better than the Zoom H4essential, (-122 vs -120) which Curtis Judd reviewed on YouTube using a very low noise mic with good output, and he seemed to be happy with that combination in respect of noise.  With low output dynamic mics needing a lot of gain added when editing, he felt the noise was more noticable.  Overall I would say that if the quoted noise figure of the H1 XLR is correct, it is probably as good as you would get at the price.  But perhaps others will disagree...

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I don't get it -- looks like a bigger clunkier F3 with noisier preamps?  It it designed to hit lower pricepoint or why would anyone want this?

At HALF THE PRICE of a Zoom F3 it's easy to understand why many more casual users (lower tier videographers / "content creators" / hobbyists / indie filmmakers / musicians) could be interested in getting instead the Zoom H1XLR.

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Re: Zoom H1 XLR 32bit recorder to be announced on Aug. 8 2024
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2024, 02:20:11 AM »
https://zoomcorp.com/en/us/handheld-recorders/handheld-recorders/h1-xlr/

EIN -122 so not amazing on the noise front, as might be expected anyway.

Would anyone care to explain to someone dumb like me: What is the significance of the difference of the noise data published by Zoom:
EIN -122 of the new H1 XLR Handy Recorder
versus
EIN -127 of the F3 recorder?
I don't really know how to understand this difference of 5.

I have the original H1 but can't find official Zoom EIN data as a reference.
I do know that my R-07 was an audible improvement over the H1. Yet, I have no idea by how much in objective numbers.

dB is logarithmic, thus a 6dB difference is going to be twice as quiet.

So the F3 is  not quite twice as good. (and funnily enough....  the F3 also costs twice as much)

I'm not the best person to answer that question directly, but I notice that the EIN of this new recorder is marginally better than the Zoom H4essential, (-122 vs -120) which Curtis Judd reviewed on YouTube using a very low noise mic with good output, and he seemed to be happy with that combination in respect of noise.  With low output dynamic mics needing a lot of gain added when editing, he felt the noise was more noticable.  Overall I would say that if the quoted noise figure of the H1 XLR is correct, it is probably as good as you would get at the price.  But perhaps others will disagree...

Yes, for the price the the Zoom H1XLR is quite good. Certainly there are many that are better, but at a cost $$$

Tricky to think of anything that's better at a comparable price point?? Don't think the Tascam DR60Dmk2 is? Although that is usually my favorite recommendation at this price point.

Of course if you go secondhand and get a Fostex FR2LE, that would be quieter at an even lower price point.
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Re: Zoom H1 XLR 32bit Handy Recorder announced on Aug. 8 2024
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2024, 02:54:01 AM »
Cheap
Small
Balanced features
32-bit float

You get quite a lot for the money.
The choice of going with full sized XLRs do seems disproportionate but going mini-XLR would cause a lot of hassle to the targeted user.
Low profile XLRs and angled 3,5mm connectors do make it much better handling and size wise.

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Re: Zoom H1 XLR 32bit Handy Recorder announced on Aug. 8 2024
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2024, 01:17:02 PM »
There are two features in particular that I don't see in the F3 that caught my eye on this recorder. The mic/line hardware switch on each XLR input, and the ability to adjust the gain per channel (they call it a mixer) are both features I value greatly in a concert recorder. The F3, like most modern recorders, use software to change the gain structure to accomodate a line-in signal, but the signal still
follows the same path through the mic preamp. Like the old Marantz PMD decks I use, a hardware switch changes the circuit path, bypassing the preamp. There is zero reason to put a physical switch where a menu driven control will suffice, should there be any doubters to the benefit of that feature. Also, while "set and forget" is the ethos with 32bit float, the lack of ability to adjust the gain between channels while recording is hard to live with. I can't look at a display with severely out of balance levels during a show and tell myself I can fix it in post.
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Re: Zoom H1 XLR 32bit Handy Recorder announced on Aug. 8 2024
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2024, 06:14:50 PM »
Also it has a built in normalise feature which can be handy.  On the M2 Mictrak there is also a normalise on playback feature but I don't know if that is also on the H1 XLR device.

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Re: Zoom H1 XLR 32bit Handy Recorder announced on Aug. 8 2024
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2024, 07:02:51 PM »
EIN -122 so not amazing on the noise front, as might be expected anyway.

When taping loud, amplified music (as most people here do), -122 dBu is plenty. I'm happily using a Sony A10, which has an EIN of -116 dBu. When recording quiet bird sounds that require a lot of gain, things might be different. However, many mics are still way noisier than -122 dBu (Schopes MK4 capsules have a signal-to-noise ratio of 80 dB, for example), so this all doesn't matter anyways.

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Re: Zoom H1 XLR 32bit Handy Recorder announced on Aug. 8 2024
« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2024, 05:48:15 PM »
I just wish this thing had bluetooth monitoring that worked with Android. Sometimes it's nice to see that I am getting any signal at all -- even if I don't have to adjust levels, there are times it's valuable to see that I am getting levels period (taping up close or from the stage lip but capturing SBD as well).

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Re: Zoom H1 XLR 32bit Handy Recorder announced on Aug. 8 2024
« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2024, 12:45:11 PM »
Looking at grabbing one of these, they are $149 on Sweetwater...anyone use this recorder yet or have an opinion on it? I'm deciding between this and the Zoom H4essential at $199, not sure if there is much of a difference between the two for my purposes (external mics or SBD recording).
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Re: Zoom H1 XLR 32bit Handy Recorder announced on Aug. 8 2024
« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2024, 12:55:39 PM »
This could be just what I'm looking for as a taper of loud concerts with 2 channel gear. Could anyone confirm if the mixer function allows to attenuate the input signal rather than the output signal?

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Re: Zoom H1 XLR 32bit Handy Recorder announced on Aug. 8 2024
« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2024, 02:20:13 PM »
I'm deciding between this and the Zoom H4essential at $199, not sure if there is much of a difference between the two for my purposes (external mics or SBD recording).
The H4e has 4 channels 2xXLR + either Stereo 3.5mm TRS or decent built-in mics that can withstand an SPL of 130 if I remember correctly.
If size doesn’t matter, then the H4e offers quite a bit more for $50 extra IMO.
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Re: Zoom H1 XLR 32bit Handy Recorder announced on Aug. 8 2024
« Reply #29 on: August 20, 2024, 09:51:05 AM »
Last time I looked the H1 XLR was only available for pre-order and there were no independent reviews on YouTube or elsewhere.  In other words, nobody knows... there is a ten minute official video on YT describing its operation which might answer some questions.  But the video seems aimed at beginners.  If I had to summarise it in one sentence I would say that it is aimed at people wanting a very flexible two channel recorder with 32 bit float and slightly quieter preamps than the 'Essential' devices, who would be embarrassed at being seen using a recorder with attached mics, and who can't afford anything more expensive eg F3

 

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