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Re: Is the new Rode Wireless Micro high SPL stereo device stealthworthy? Yes!
« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2025, 01:56:12 AM »
Has anyone tested these in a live concert setting? Curious to see the quality of capture.
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Sadly I've not been able to record with them in a concert setting.  But I sure will if I get a chance.  Meanwhile, in the setting which is the complete opposite to where most Taperssection members record, I used the Rode Wireless Micro kit to make another ambient recording in a park which I had not visited before.  While I was there I thought, this is a complete waste of time as there's no sound here!  But when I cranked up the gain when editing I heard reams of stuff, particularly high pitched bird calls, which I had not been able to hear at the time.  That boosted gain does introduce the (commendably low frequency) distant sound of traffic around the perimeter of the outer suburban park, but what I don't hear is any significant system noise, even though I had the gain set too low in the earlier shots (expecting to hear more sounds!). Sure there's noise, but I am convinced it is ambience because you can localise where it comes from and the placement changes as I turn my head.  Anyway, here's the upload.  The recording device was a DJI Pocket 3 camera into which the tiny receiver was plugged direct.  Yay, no dangling wires.

https://youtu.be/BFmZURAq-zI

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Quite the peaceful visit to Riverband park on a sunny afternoon; thanks for taking us there.
These mics certainly have their appeal to be cable free and relatively inexpensive. In fact, the usb-c set is ~$10 less than the lightening version.

The wind muffs do seem to help, but I noticed a low rumble of wind in some parts of the video; no big deal, though.

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In response to some requests I have now made some quick comparisons between the Rode Wireless Micro and the Roland CS-10EM, (suburban traffic noise) and between the Micro and the Sennheiser Ambeo (music on the hifi).  I think the Rode acquits itself pretty well, certainly in terms of stereo image, and it's no disaster in terms of frequency response.  Yes, I should have compared all three in the same video but time did not allow...

https://youtu.be/cOwL_p0-CGM

https://youtu.be/2N_ogzX7enc

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This post has been two weeks in the making. To begin, I returned the Rode Wireless Micros because they simply are not made for what most of us on this forum do, rock concert taping. I didn't just conclude this,  it was painfully clear after trying them out mounted to the ends of my regular mic stereo bar when I recorded moe at the Jefferson Theater in Charlottesville, VA on March 5th.

It's just like ALC, reacting immediately and extremely to transient peaks, as well as quiet interludes, up and down. What a shame...

So for the last 2 weeks I have been doing a deep dive in the world of video content creators and that entire branch of the market that seems to have exploded in the past few years. Not wanting to make the same mistake again, I researched extensively the current crop of wireless lav microphones designed to feed cameras, and/or smartphones and   here is what I learned.

1. There are two classes of wireless lav microphone capsules, traditional small electret condensers, and MEMS, a newer technology with mics so small they can be mounted directly on a device's main circuit board. Micro condensers typically top out at 120db max SPL, but MEMS mics are able to take 130db or more before distortion, and with full 20hz to 20khz frequency response, and an SNR at or exceeding 70db.

2. There are three types of wireless transmission, old school UHF, 2.4ghz wifi, and Bluetooth 5 and higher. True lossless transmission of high resolution pcm is not possible by Bluetooth, 16/48 already maxes the bandwidth and bitrate. So called "lossless compression" methods like Aptx are used to send HD audio to headsets/earbuds and bluetooth speakers, but that's not true lossless. That leaves the option of 2.4ghz wifi frequency. As with UHF, 2.4ghz wifi requires a receiver between the mic/transmitters, and the recording device. These are used for sending analog audio to a camera or recorder and fairly recent developments with USB audio now allow these types of mics to be plugged into an ios or Android device to record on whatever app is installed for audio/video capture.

3. There are two types of recording methods. Capturing the audio from the receiver on a phone/camera, and onboard recording in the transmitters themselves, some 24bit and some 32bit float.

Ok, with all that in mind, here is the outcome of my deep dive investigating several systems.

I first looked at the Rode Wireless Pro since I was moving from their micro, reading reviews, watching video reviews, and studying the user manual. I did this same process with each mic I looked into.

The Rode Wireless Pro can take 123.5 db of pressure which is decent, but they are too big and the internal recordings in the mics are auto-split at 1 hour and these splits are not bit perfect. To capture full length files on your phone, the receiver will bring in the audio at 24/48 and send it to the phone to be recorded there. Rode is not a contender, bottom line.

Next I investgated the top line Sennheiser, Hollyland, DJI, Shure, and Sarmonic wireless systems and found they all fell short for concert taping in some way. Ignoring the issues raised by reviewers for this model's bad plugs, or that brand's counter-intuitive work flow, etc, I first eliminated all the ones with a max SPL below 130db, which left the Shure MoveMic 2 and the Saramonic Ultra Pro. The Shure uses Bluetooth direct to phone, so the only way to record to a phone is to go to the full kit with receiver unit, and there is no onboard recording in the trasmitters. The Sarmonic was the only one left. The deal breaker here, same issue as the Shure requiring receiver attached to phone to record uncompressed 24bit. They have onboard recording, even 32bit float, but make an imperfect file split every 30 min. Booooooo

So, what did I get? Stay tuned, I will follow up with that story later, it's a tale worth telling all by itself.......

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What a comprehensive analysis.  You may have seen that I posted some comparisons of devices deployed (briefly) in front of PA speakers playing loud music at a local festival, and that I was suspicious of the result from the Rode Wireless Micro, which didn't look right, although the result to my (elderly) ears was passable.  Maybe I was suspicious more of the sound source.  On some reviews I have seen, there was pumping even from the presenter's voice, and in others, no problem.  I suspect this may be related to output level affecting the limiter, and I keep mine set to low, unless recording ambient silence.  I must get around to doing some tests using a tone increasing in loudness, with the output set to low, medium and high, and see whether the resulting waveforms differ.

Generally I have always assumed that wireless mics would be good for close voice and not much else, but the Rode does impress me with frequency response, sensitivity and self noise, at the price.

Anyway I look forward to your revealing next post!

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Meanwhile I had an unplanned chance to use the Micro binaural rig at a roller skating venue.  In this short video you can hear the (bored??) spectators talking over my shoulder and from time to time, very loud whistles from the referees.  These don't seem to me to cause a significant limiting problem (which would result in the sound of the spectators dipping briefly) but you may disagree... The whistles were so loud and shrill that some in the crowd actually winced! 

https://youtu.be/yD5DdKO1kPE?si=FdDnACCzA5bzpoEW

The stereo image is very surrounding on headphones.  Nobody seemed to notice that I was recording - the mics really are pretty inconspicuous under a baseball cap.  I used "Field Recorder" Android app in my phone and synced it to the video when editing.
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And another test, this time with the Rode binaural rig connected to an antique DJI Action 2 camera.  I'm very pleased with the result.  More related to field recording than live music recording but it does show how the device can capture subtle, and loud (dog barks!) sound very capably, with an excellent surround image.

https://youtu.be/yTuU-04BNF8

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Hi Peter,

I just got an update on my version of rode capture that allows the app to connect to the micro via bluetooth. The rode capture app is a video recording app with some neat features. You may want to take a look it and see how the audio sounds via bluetooth vs the receiver connected.

https://rode.com/en-us/apps/rode-capture

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Hi Peter,

I just got an update on my version of rode capture that allows the app to connect to the micro via bluetooth. The rode capture app is a video recording app with some neat features. You may want to take a look it and see how the audio sounds via bluetooth vs the receiver connected.

https://rode.com/en-us/apps/rode-capture

Thanks, but - it's iPhone only at the moment.  And I'm Android.  Still, I noticed in Android there's now an option to turn on 3 levels of noise reduction which I will try, but I suspect (based on other wireless mics) that the outcome will be deeply unpleasant...

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Today I was watching a review of the Hollyland Lark A1 wireless mic kit and thinking that it was also very small like the Rode kit, and then wondered whether it worked in stereo and might be a competitor for the Rode Wireless Micro.  The reviewer didn't cover mono vs stereo, but reading the manual online, yes it does do stereo, and in the review the sound quality seemed at least passable.  So I checked the price, and it's less than half the cost of the Rode.  So, needless to say, I promptly ordered it simply to test it against the Rode for low profile binaural recording.  It arrives tomorrow and I should be able to upload a review in a day or so.

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[Faced with the choice of retitling the original discussion about the Rode Wireless Micro, or starting a new discussion about the Hollyland Lark A1, it seemed best to change the title and just have one discussion for both, and any others which may appear.  I hope that's ok.]

I really should wait until I have had a chance to test the Hollyland Lark A1 set properly, but my initial tests are so impressive that I can't help posting something at once. 

Firstly, they are half the size of the Rode Wireless Micro transmitters, which I thought were really tiny when I first saw them.  I've been trying them on my baseball cap, actually inside it rather than outside, and all that shows is the very small black magnets that are on the outside of the cap.  I can't imagine anything more stealthy (but I have no knowledge of metal detectors and suchlike - I'm just going by what can be seen).

Then, the sound quality seems just fine.  Plenty of bottom and top, no noise that my elderly ears can hear, and mounted the way I've described the stereo image is very persuasive.  When I first played back my initial test which simply used a mono radio, I actually paused the playback as it sounded as if that radio was playing.  I later tested with a wide frequency range audio source into rather modest speakers, and I had no immediate adverse comment at all.  The device does have a limiter which can't be switched off, but when I tried to clip the recording to see if there was any pumping, I couldn't hear anything amiss.

Lastly, for now, these devices are stupidly cheap.  They sell a version with two mics, one USB-C receiver, and a charging holder (which does NOT have built in batteries, it simply charges the mics via a USB socket) for $34.90 US.  Almost a throwaway price for anyone wanting to try them with real live music (120dBA max).  Then there are other versions all the way up to the most comprehensive which has a proper charging case, two mics, and two receivers (USB-C & Lightning).

Anyway, tomorrow I hope to really test them against the Rode Wireless Micro and get something up on YouTube for others to hear.

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Peter- Thanks for testing and reporting on all these new options.  Seems we've reached a brave new word of wireless microphone recording options these days.

: )  And.. looking forward to working this phrase into conversation sometime- "I had no immediate adverse comment".  Just yesterday while working on a big yacht that has some of our equipment installed in it I was asked "Ozzy or Aussie?" after throwing out a "No Worries" and told them, "Neither, I'm a local, its just such a useful phrase that I took it up up long ago".
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Is the Rode worth three times the Hollyland?  Well, the results are in and... starve the lizards!!

https://youtu.be/MQGYkAVHUmo

The Hollyland is stupidly good and it's cheap enough to simply have one in the cupboard, or even better in the pocket, just in case.  In my stereo music test the Rode definitely has more bottom end but I have a sneaking suspicion it's actually too much.  The Hollyland sounds perhaps more balanced between high and low frequencies. 

When cap mounted, the Hollyland is fine for pseudo binaural stereo - pseudo because it's not actually in the ears - and it really is tiny.  Its small size is almost a problem - you have to be very careful not to lose the mic or its attachment magnet - don't handle them anywhere near a drain! 

I can't hear anything wrong on the noise front, not glaringly anyway, and the app enables quite a few tweaks.  It seems to work with anything that would accept a USB-C mic.  Phone, some cameras, probably laptops etc. 

If anything isn't clear, let me know.  My video ended up not quite the way I wanted as having shot all the stuff, I then discovered my camera had been set to mono sound, so I had to redo some clips and simply bin others.  Hey ho, that's audio recording for you.

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When I went for a walk round the corner tonight to get a chicken takeaway, I couldn't resist documenting it with the Lark A1 set.  Results were very good imho, except for a patch with some tiny dropouts.  Could be the phone, could be the app, could be the connection from the mics (unlikely as they were by my ears and the phone was in my pocket).  Soundscape seems very good to me, and frequency response is fine.  There was some background music in the restaurant which sounded fine, though I guess that's not a full test of the suitability of the mics for rock concerts!  So far I have not noticed any undesirable level compression - the limiter may well have been triggered at a couple of points which went to zero on the app's excellent meters, but the limiter time must be very fast.

https://youtu.be/DA3Kmmp7RJ0?si=r80BgyPmMlX8JpS5
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