Topic: A.I. audio stem software

[ballerusk]

Not exactly stem separation, but the new Ozone 12 (advanced) has a new feature called "stem EQ": https://www.izotope.com/en/products/ozone/features/new-stem-eq

"EQing the vocals, bass, drums, and instruments in parallel in your stereo bounce."

No idea if the stem separation is better than UVR, but maybe easier to work with when you only need to EQ and not remove whistles, talkers and other fixes usually done in RX.

[nulldogmas]

Not exactly stem separation, but the new Ozone 12 (advanced) has a new feature called "stem EQ": https://www.izotope.com/en/products/ozone/features/new-stem-eq

"EQing the vocals, bass, drums, and instruments in parallel in your stereo bounce."

No idea if the stem separation is better than UVR, but maybe easier to work with when you only need to EQ and not remove whistles, talkers and other fixes usually done in RX.

So you can adjust EQ and gain on the stems but not export them individually? That'll work, but it's a weird limitation.

[ballerusk]

Well, it saves you separating the stems and then EQ each track. Now you can import the stereo track and EQ the stems in one track. I guess exporting individually is more a RX feature.

[nulldogmas]

Well, it saves you separating the stems and then EQ each track. Now you can import the stereo track and EQ the stems in one track. I guess exporting individually is more a RX feature.

Right, you can do either of those currently in RX. So this looks to be a crippleware version of the RX stem feature, which, okay.

[lpmaskman]

New Ableton Live will feauture stem separation too: https://www.ableton.com/en/blog/live-12-3-is-coming/

[robgronotte]

Just wanted to mention another (free!) tool that I've been trying out for the last few days.  About a year ago someone mentioned MVSEP, but with no explanation and I had forgotten about it.

https://mvsep.com

This one isn't software to download and run on your own computer, but a website where you upload your file and then it gives you split files which you can download.  It seems like it would be slow, and with a free account you do have to wait in line, but it's been working for me in less than a minute.  This would particularly be beneficial for someone who doesn't like to have many programs on their computer or has a slow processor.

I haven't yet tried the models to split up instruments, but I have used the BS Roformer model to split vocals (and crowdnoise) from music , and the MVSep Crowd removal to remove crowd noise which is at the same time as singing.  Both worked very well, but not perfectly in some instances.  Even if you're happy with what you currently use, this would be another one to try when you're not getting the results you want from UVR5, SpectraLayers 11, etc.  Each different processor seems to work better than others in some instances but worse in some of them.

One advantage over UVR5 is that MVSEP can handle sample rates other than 44.1, although you have to be a paid member to use that feature.

[goodcooker]

I came back to this thread to report a win with UVR5.

I found a cassette tape of some studio demos I recorded with a band I was in around 1998. The plan was to get the drums during these sessions and scratch track guitars, bass and vocals to return later and overdub fresh tracks.
We did these sessions at a guys house - the drummer was in the living room and the other 3 of us were in a bedroom with crazy long headphone extensions.
The mix was not great but we were playing in earnest so even though the plan was to ditch everything but the drums it sounds like we always did live.

I used the demucs feature to separate all the stems and then loaded them back into Reaper for a remix. It's a night and day difference. 4 more songs to go and then I can share them with my old band mates from decades ago.

[phil_er_up]

I came back to this thread to report a win with UVR5.

I found a cassette tape of some studio demos I recorded with a band I was in around 1998. The plan was to get the drums during these sessions and scratch track guitars, bass and vocals to return later and overdub fresh tracks.
We did these sessions at a guys house - the drummer was in the living room and the other 3 of us were in a bedroom with crazy long headphone extensions.
The mix was not great but we were playing in earnest so even though the plan was to ditch everything but the drums it sounds like we always did live.

I used the demucs feature to separate all the stems and then loaded them back into Reaper for a remix. It's a night and day difference. 4 more songs to go and then I can share them with my old band mates from decades ago.

Good to hear. Thanks for sharing.

Used UVR tool yesterday to separate vocals out in a stem and add it back into the audience recording. Vocals are now a lot more upfront then sounding distant. Many ways to use the stems.

[beatkilla]

I came back to this thread to report a win with UVR5.

I found a cassette tape of some studio demos I recorded with a band I was in around 1998. The plan was to get the drums during these sessions and scratch track guitars, bass and vocals to return later and overdub fresh tracks.
We did these sessions at a guys house - the drummer was in the living room and the other 3 of us were in a bedroom with crazy long headphone extensions.
The mix was not great but we were playing in earnest so even though the plan was to ditch everything but the drums it sounds like we always did live.

I used the demucs feature to separate all the stems and then loaded them back into Reaper for a remix. It's a night and day difference. 4 more songs to go and then I can share them with my old band mates from decades ago.

I’ve tried the same with some of my old bands  24 track ADAT recordings that are mixed to dat and I’m never having any luck with the cymbals….they always sound like dial up or resent from mars.


Am I doing something wrong or do the cymbals all sound like dial up from 30 years ago?

[opsopcopolis]

Finally got around to trying the logic stem splitting tool and I gotta say it might be the best one I’ve used so far, at least for standard band stuff. Used it to pull super buried guitars out of a board tape I made last night. Gonna have to go back to some of the worse board tapes I’ve made over the years and see if they can be improved

[robgronotte]

Finally got around to trying the logic stem splitting tool and I gotta say it might be the best one I’ve used so far, at least for standard band stuff. Used it to pull super buried guitars out of a board tape I made last night. Gonna have to go back to some of the worse board tapes I’ve made over the years and see if they can be improved

What is "logic" here? A particular program?

[phil_er_up]

Finally got around to trying the logic stem splitting tool and I gotta say it might be the best one I’ve used so far, at least for standard band stuff. Used it to pull super buried guitars out of a board tape I made last night. Gonna have to go back to some of the worse board tapes I’ve made over the years and see if they can be improved

What is "logic" here? A particular program?

Believe he is referring to Logic audio software.

https://www.logitech.com/en-us/software

[AbbyTaper]

Finally got around to trying the logic stem splitting tool and I gotta say it might be the best one I’ve used so far, at least for standard band stuff. Used it to pull super buried guitars out of a board tape I made last night. Gonna have to go back to some of the worse board tapes I’ve made over the years and see if they can be improved

What is "logic" here? A particular program?

Believe he is referring to Logic audio software.

https://www.logitech.com/en-us/software

Actually it's this.  Mac only, though.  https://www.apple.com/logic-pro/

[goodcooker]

I’ve tried the same with some of my old bands  24 track ADAT recordings that are mixed to dat and I’m never having any luck with the cymbals….they always sound like dial up or resent from mars.

Am I doing something wrong or do the cymbals all sound like dial up from 30 years ago?

The results with Ultimate Vocals Remover 5 "demucs" routine is less than stellar. The drums were already a little "phasey" on the recording and after stem splitting it was even worse.

If I solo the individual tracks they don't sound great on their own but when I put all the tracks back into Reaper for some tweaks it's good enough. At least better than what I started with.

[opsopcopolis]

Finally got around to trying the logic stem splitting tool and I gotta say it might be the best one I’ve used so far, at least for standard band stuff. Used it to pull super buried guitars out of a board tape I made last night. Gonna have to go back to some of the worse board tapes I’ve made over the years and see if they can be improved

What is "logic" here? A particular program?

Believe he is referring to Logic audio software.

https://www.logitech.com/en-us/software

Actually it's this.  Mac only, though.  https://www.apple.com/logic-pro/

Sorry, guess I shoul've been more specific. Yes, Logic Pro