Topic: archiving 4k concert videos

[beroti_music]

I've been rendering 4k videos (full shows) lately. The end product (mkv) is about 65 GB long.

For all the videotapers out there: how do you archive files like this?
Right now I'm using 2 different hard discs. My audio goes in the cloud as well. But for video the only archiving I do right now is 2 hard discs.
Not the safest option.

Anyone uses M-discs? Or other optical media like bd-r 100 GB dics for example? Been looking at those but the cost per disc is outrageous.

Maybe the best solution for now is to buy a third hard disc drive and store it somewhere else.

Let me know what you think and how you archive your 4k videos

[jefflester]

I archive to hard drives, I've got about 50 of 'em.

[Fatah Ruark (aka MIKE B)]

I have a 4 bay Synology NAS with 4 12TB drives set up SHR (Synology Hybrid Raid). That yields about 32TB of space with 1 drive that can fail and not lose any data.

That all gets backed up to four 18TB external drives (2 swapped out every few months, with 2 offsite drives at my office, and 2 connected to the NAS that backup the NAS nightly).

Edited video goes to YouTube as a separate extra backup.

Since I think you have more data than me, I would go with a 5 bay NAS. It's pricey when you first do it, but the peace of mind of (hopefully) not losing any data is worth it IMO.  I believe with the 5 bay NAS you can start with 4 drives and either use the 5th bay to expand later, or you could also use that as a hot spare so if one drive dies it automatically re-builds to the spare.

EDIT: Recently started working for a company that does robotic tape backups (LTO). Hoping I can bring the NAS into work one day and backup everything to tape for even more security. 18TB tape costs $85, and is much more reliable than spinning discs.

[grawk]

As someone who works with large data for a living current high capacity tapes are absolutely less reliable than hard drives. Never have anything saved on less than 2 tapes.

[firemt66]

What video program plays MKV files?

[grawk]

What video program plays MKV files?

vlc, mpv

[firemt66]

I just had a Brandi Carlile video from Glastonbury and one of miss lauper in that format and VLC would not showtye video just a black screen with live in the corner and the audio that was it

[Dan33185]

Probably wouldn't work for your purposes, but just throwing it out there. If you aren't worried about losing a bit of quality, something like Compress can save you a lot of HD space without sacrificing a lot of quality. I use this for my videos...I upload the original to YouTube, and then compress for archiving. I know I'm losing some quality, but I just don't have the ability to buy a bulk amount of hard drives to save these on, so it's a good compromise.

https://compress.ohzi.io/

[beroti_music]

Thanks! Looks interesting!

Hard drives getting cheaper and faster every year.
For now I managed to archive all files as filmed, no quality loss.

[roffels]

As long as you're ok with some compression, I'm pretty sure you can also backup to Google Photos so if something were to ever happen to your harddrives, you'd at least have a copy in slightly lesser quality.

[jbou]

As someone who works with large data for a living current high capacity tapes are absolutely less reliable than hard drives. Never have anything saved on less than 2 tapes.

Appreciate the insight here. Not doubting you at all, just interesting because this goes against pretty much all the "common wisdom" you read online.

[grawk]

As someone who works with large data for a living current high capacity tapes are absolutely less reliable than hard drives. Never have anything saved on less than 2 tapes.

Appreciate the insight here. Not doubting you at all, just interesting because this goes against pretty much all the "common wisdom" you read online.

Until recently tape was absolutely more reliable.  But as densities went up, tape reliability went way down

[RyanJ]

Yeah, I have a NAS system with 11 bays. All loaded up with 20TB drives. With backup. Works really well for me and I love that I can edit and use everything on my home network. Whether I am on my desktop or laptop. Especially now that my whole house is hard wired.

After the whole fiasco earlier this year in Albuquerque, I am looking to make an offsite NAS system at my parents house for even more redundancy. But that will probably take some time to set up lol.

[beroti_music]

11 times 20 tb plus backup?
Damn. Thats A LOT.

[cleantone]

Depends. I most often just keep the final transcode. Which these days is typically h265. Sometimes I keep the ProRes422HQ renders. Even though they can be between 200-500GB. Sometimes I keep the original media, which is also in that ballpark. I have not been burning optical backups for quite a long time. I have 100TB NAS and who knows how many large external drives.