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hey good ppl at the TS.

I made my first recording. Came out pretty good! But I think I had the recording levels a bit too low on the Sony PCM A10. I want to increase the gain/volume on the music, but also would like to decrease the audience applause, as that's pretty loud to my ears. Tried first to do this in audacity using Amplify and Normalize, didn't quite get the music loud enough. Then tried getting Izotope RX Standard, but don't see what tool to use to do that. Audacity and Isotope are both so fully featured that they are tough for me to just kind of figure out how to do this one thing to begin with, and the tutorials that I could find are more to like remove people talking in middle of track or something, not so much how to fix live audience recordings.

Here is a link to the FLAC for one of the tracks: https://we.tl/t-0CKfD1PLAv
and this is what the waveform looks like for that track: https://we.tl/t-zbpOHVTOR8

It seems to me that I want to cap the loudness at around -15 db to reduce the audience applause, and then amplify/add gain to bring the music up.

As I said, the recording actually sounds pretty good, I just have to turn it up much higher than other music when I go to listen to the files.

Any help for a noob would be greatly appreciated!

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Re: reducing loud audience sections using either audacity or izotope (newb)?
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2026, 08:46:41 PM »
You can select the portions of the audience applause and then reduce the gain on those, include some fade in fade out, and do the opposite for the musical portions.  Then when you've achieved the balance you desire, amplify the whole thing to your desire.

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Re: reducing loud audience sections using either audacity or izotope (newb)?
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2026, 08:46:56 PM »
You don't need iZotope for this — Audacity will do fine. Go to Effect > Volume and Compression > Compressor, set Threshold at whatever level most of the music peaks at, and Ratio to something relatively high (8 or 10). That will flatten everything above the Threshold point.

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Re: reducing loud audience sections using either audacity or izotope (newb)?
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2026, 10:17:34 PM »
A limiter is like a compressor with a very high ratio. If you don't care what the applause sounds like, then you can limit the music parts right up to "loud" and the clapping won't be much louder.
Mess with the threshold setting until you like the results.

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Re: reducing loud audience sections using either audacity or izotope (newb)?
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2026, 10:31:15 PM »
ok, awesome, thank you for the guidance all! will mess about and see what I can do. appreciate all the help!

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Re: reducing loud audience sections using either audacity or izotope (newb)?
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2026, 09:40:24 AM »
Good job on your first tape! Be forewarned: the desire to get out and roll can be addicting.  ;) First I'd like to give you some unsolicited information and advice about your recording that will hopefully be helpful to you.

It sounds like this was either an acoustic or otherwise low-amplitude show, so it wouldn't have mattered what level you set your recorder at for the type of imperfection you're trying to buff out, because the audience cheering and clapping is just going to be louder than the music coming from the stage and stacks in that kind of situation. Still, your intuition that you could've pushed it a little more is correct since you've got 15dB of headroom to work with in that sample, and that appears to be after you've already done some post-processing yourself given how noisy it is despite being 24-bit. Keeping the levels closer to but below 0dB in the field will generally help maximize your rig's signal-to-noise ratio and in turn keep the noise floor, which is that audible background hiss in your sample, lower in volume relative to the music. That's important, because while you can amplify the waveform in post, doing so amplifies everything including the noise floor itself, whereas increasing your recorder's input level will usually generate a higher amplitude waveform without appreciably increasing the noise floor.

The more you tape with your gear in a variety of situations will increase your skill in choosing a good level setting. For instance, with my AT943>PCM-A10 rig I usually have the input level somewhere around 6 as my starting point, whereas at a couple extremely loud metal shows I've been to within the past year I had the input level set all the way down to 1, and on the opposite side of things I had it set at level 10 in a large venue that sends out a relatively quiet feed through their stacks. With those settings I usually have around +/-10dB of headroom. Since you also have the Sony PCM-A10 you can take advantage of Sony's smartphone app to both monitor and control the levels via Bluetooth while it's on. It's called "REC Remote: Sony IC Recorder" in the Android app store, and I recommend that you try using it especially if you ever want to engage in stealth recording.

With that out of the way, even when you select an ideal input level on your recorder and end up with a recording that has ideal dynamic range, then still screams, cheers, claps, hoots, and hollers will be something of an annoyance. A couple of the suggestions here call for limiting and compression, both of which you can do in the free DAW Audacity. For a single-step solution I invite you to try compression first. Try selecting a section, like the one at the very start of your sample, and apply compression with quick attack and longer look-ahead and release times to minimize pumping. It'll make things quieter and the change in sound levels between compressed and non-compressed sections is smooth. Here's your sample with some compression (-33dB threshold, ratio 8.3, lookahead 450ms, attack 1ms, release 1s) and 11dB of amplification applied in Audacity. https://www.swisstransfer.com/d/ab1e8de8-dcdf-4d3b-be34-c14f13cd6dfe
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Re: reducing loud audience sections using either audacity or izotope (newb)?
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2026, 11:59:08 AM »
again, super helpful, thanks Skylarking!

this was recorded stealth, mics were in my hat. and it was indeed an acoustic show (mostly piano and saxophone, vocals). I did indeed check the app, but, as it was my first time, I was like way too conservative on the levels, and went with what I had seen people say that they used as a starting point on the PCMA10 rather than doing what looked right via the levels on the app. I think this was a relatively challenging first concert to record (it's Madison Cunningham) for the first time. And regardless of this post processing stuff, it has been awesome being able to listen to the show haha. Ken Pomeroy opened up, and she was also awesome. Taped that, having the same problems with the levels, but am figuring it out. and you are right about it being addicting and wanting to get out and tape more! have a bunch of shows coming up and can't wait to give it another go. Also the other tracks sound a bit better, this one was particularly quiet musically and particularly loud with the audience as it was the opening song (so I used this as my example here as it's the 'worst' track w/r/t audience noise vs. music level).

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Re: reducing loud audience sections using either audacity or izotope (newb)?
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2026, 01:00:51 PM »
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EHpg-QJ7dETZZzWOkT81kVbem-qEzDW9/view?usp=sharing

compressor, 20db input gain, hard limit at -3db

https://drive.google.com/file/d/14-USVR080kSjbcFQfV-rnU7n8Kw7yqH-/view?usp=sharing

compressor, 20db input gain, hard limit at -9db, 9db output gain

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Re: reducing loud audience sections using either audacity or izotope (newb)?
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2026, 02:39:54 PM »

this was recorded stealth, mics were in my hat. and it was indeed an acoustic show (mostly piano and saxophone, vocals). I did indeed check the app, but, as it was my first time, I was like way too conservative on the levels, and went with what I had seen people say that they used as a starting point on the PCMA10 rather than doing what looked right via the levels on the app.


You did a million times better than I did on my first recording. Well done, and here's to better and better results moving forward!

(The Rec Remote app truly is amazing, btw. Being able to monitor levels during a show without touching my recorder has taught me a ton about optimal gain settings for various situations.)

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Re: reducing loud audience sections using either audacity or izotope (newb)?
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2026, 05:31:10 PM »
I was expecting it to be unlistenable, just wanted to give it a shot! Am pretty happy with how it came out, was a fun start. Really appreciate everyone's help on this.

Spent some time cleaning up the recording of the opener, the excellent EXCELLENT Ken Pomeroy, y'all should check her out if she comes through your town. (She plays a singer songwriter named Pearl in the equally excellent show The Lowdown, if any of you are familiar with that show. Thought she was great).

Figured out how to compress using audacity using Skylarkings settings, didn't see a similar tool in Izotope, not sure what tool to use there (part of this is evaluating the software to figure out what works, and if izotope is better long-term than I feel like I probably want to use that from the get go). So, if anyone can share how they reduce loud audience sections in Izotope RX Standard, I'd appreciate it!

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Re: reducing loud audience sections using either audacity or izotope (newb)?
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2026, 05:46:33 PM »
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EHpg-QJ7dETZZzWOkT81kVbem-qEzDW9/view?usp=sharing

compressor, 20db input gain, hard limit at -3db

https://drive.google.com/file/d/14-USVR080kSjbcFQfV-rnU7n8Kw7yqH-/view?usp=sharing

compressor, 20db input gain, hard limit at -9db, 9db output gain

grawk, thank you for your help - question for you, again, newb question - did you use audacity to do this? if so, what was the Effect that you used? I think it would be Amplify by 20.0 DB, and then where/how do you set the hard limit and/or the output gain? (is the hard limit "peak amplitude?" "threshold"?

screenshots of what I see when I go to use those effects in Audacity: https://we.tl/t-QVKwq2ecrH

I am sure these seem like insanely rudimentary questions, I am just trying to grok the terminology haha.

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Re: reducing loud audience sections using either audacity or izotope (newb)?
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2026, 06:27:39 PM »
I used the compressor in ozone running Final Cut Pro, but I would think a compressing plug-in from any software should do it. The threshold is where you set the hard limit.
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Re: reducing loud audience sections using either audacity or izotope (newb)?
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2026, 01:01:17 PM »
The threshold is where you set the hard limit.

Can't forget ratio as well, unless you're using an actual limiter. If using a normal compressor you'll need an extreme ratio to achieve hard limiting at the threshold.

Definitely the way I go about it though. I'm way to lazy to manually compress like some people on here do.

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Re: reducing loud audience sections using either audacity or izotope (newb)?
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2026, 08:33:30 AM »
I tend to use a different, slightly more manual approach...

In Rx10...
  • I normalize the entire recording to pretty close to 0db
  • I mark the area with applause, use the De-click function (sensitivity around 6, multi band (random clicks)).
  • I mark the loudest yells or screams with the lasso, use the Spectral repair - attenuate function (strength 0.1 to 0.5, you can always run it again...)).

Example with your file: https://we.tl/t-2joJfY4Rgx

I also tried the spectral de-noise on a little portion there. This recording is so noisy that it will be a hard job to make it really nice...

Not saying my way is better than using a limiter, but it is the way I prefer, after a bit of trial and error through the years.
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Re: reducing loud audience sections using either audacity or izotope (newb)?
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2026, 09:01:50 AM »
  • I normalize the entire recording to pretty close to 0db
  • I mark the area with applause, use the De-click function (sensitivity around 6, multi band (random clicks)).
  • I mark the loudest yells or screams with the lasso, use the Spectral repair - attenuate function (strength 0.1 to 0.5, you can always run it again...)).


I use RX de-click as well (sensitivity 5, multiband random) to reduce applause before compressing, but on the OP's sample close claps didn't look like the main issue.

 

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