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Author Topic: Is system noise a thing of the past, which can usually just be ignored?  (Read 203 times)

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Offline Ozpeter

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Today, almost on an impulse when I found myself on a very still day in the deserted and quietest countryside park I know, I recorded about 5 minutes of birdsong using my humble Zoom H2essenial.  This isn't about that recorder so much as about any reasonable modern portable recorder these days - that's just the one I had in my bag.

The birdsong was actually more or less inaudible to my bare ears while the recording progressed.  I was a bit annoyed the birds were being unhelpful.  But when I used Audition to first play the recording unchanged, and then normalised (+30dB), I was staggered to hear that birds were actually singing all the time, and I could even hear the decay of the reverberation of their calls once the gain was raised that much.  Yes, I could hear a fair bit of background noise instead of the previous near-silence, but it sounded to me like environmental noise rather than system noise.  It sounded "out there" rather than "in there".

This was a good test showing how raising digital gain when recording in 32 bit float these days is pointless - all possible detail was actually in there on the almost flat waveform -  but also that it's hard to imagine the circumstances where system noise would actually be a real world problem.  Certainly not in the tapers section at a rock concert. This noisy world's environments are the problem, not the recorders!

I put my experiment together in a YouTube video on my unmonetised channel.  If anyone cares to check it out and tell me that I'm totally wrong, here's the link.

https://youtu.be/eHCQG3hBYrY

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Noise floor is definitely a real thing.  Don't discount it.

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That you heard noise with only 30db of gain says noise is still an issue. To know if it’s from the recorder or environment, using an analog preamp in front of the recorder and see if it gets louder. Recording silence in the quietest area you can find with varying levels of gain from -10 to 60db would be an interesting test.
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I recorded an acoustic show from the back of Het Concergebouw last November with mk22>riotbox (no gain added)>F3 and there was system noise in the recording. Now the show was VERY quiet (someone shuffling in their chair a few seats away was much louder than the quiet parts of the music) but I was actually surprised and wished I had brought my SD MixPre 6ii with me as my sense is the preamps are quieter on that. I could have also added gain at the riotbox but I'm unsure if that would have risked the audience noise, which was orders of magnitude louder than the quiet parts of the music, would have overloaded the mic pres if I did so...

I raise this extreme example because I've never thought of the F3 preamps as adding noise but, in this extremely quiet recording situation, it was there and I believe it was from the mic pres as opposed to the mics or the HVAC etc.

So I do think it's still an issue but I would suspect it's far less of an issue than it would have been 10 years ago...
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