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Re: Tapers Section World Scoop (LOL) - Marantz PMD620
« Reply #150 on: January 01, 2008, 06:27:00 AM »
Happy New Year 1 more time to you all,

here on this short mpeg4-vid, you can see the levelmeters on the PMD620.
ALL-LEDs set to OFF for discrete stealth-taping ;).
http://www.file-upload.net/download-586632/CIMG1426.AVI.MP4.html
« Last Edit: January 01, 2008, 06:34:53 AM by Arni99 »
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Re: Tapers Section World Scoop (LOL) - Marantz PMD620
« Reply #151 on: January 01, 2008, 09:00:44 AM »
Interesting! Danke schoen.

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« Reply #152 on: January 01, 2008, 01:03:22 PM »
Did you hear it OR find it with your audio software? ;)

I heard a light click there when I turned the sound up loud. Later I inspected it with Adobe Audition. The 'seam' sounds more like missing samples than a button-click to me.

Still, pretty damn good!

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Re: Tapers Section World Scoop (LOL) - Marantz PMD620
« Reply #153 on: January 01, 2008, 01:12:11 PM »
Did you hear it OR find it with your audio software? ;)

I heard a light click there when I turned the sound up loud. Later I inspected it with Adobe Audition. The 'seam' sounds more like missing samples than a button-click to me.

Still, pretty damn good!

Roel

Check the 2nd sample made with external mics(dpa4061) and let me know if you can hear anything.
I can´t hear anything and I assume nobody else would just by listening to this song on a home or carstereo or with headphones.

The REC-button doesn´t click, it´s kind of big soft-touch-button with no click-feeling.
The level +/- buttons are "click"_buttons.
« Last Edit: January 01, 2008, 01:19:13 PM by Arni99 »
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Re: Tapers Section World Scoop (LOL) - Marantz PMD620
« Reply #154 on: January 01, 2008, 03:30:00 PM »
Check the 2nd sample made with external mics(dpa4061) and let me know if you can hear anything.
I can´t hear anything and I assume nobody else would just by listening to this song on a home or carstereo or with headphones.

I really can't find the split. Where is it?

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Re: Tapers Section World Scoop (LOL) - Marantz PMD620
« Reply #155 on: January 01, 2008, 03:47:50 PM »
Check the 2nd sample made with external mics(dpa4061) and let me know if you can hear anything.
I can´t hear anything and I assume nobody else would just by listening to this song on a home or carstereo or with headphones.

I really can't find the split. Where is it?

Roel

The 2nd track starts 24seconds before the track´s ending. ;)
2 merged tracks make: 51,380 seconds
track 2 makes the last 23,790 seconds

By the way:
step 1: the LEVEL-LED flashes green when the peak, set in the preset-menue, has been topped by the levelmeters(-6db is max setting and my setting for taping - available settings for LEVEL-LED are: -54dB, -38dB, -20dB, -12dB and my setting -6dB).
When levels are between -6db(my setting) and 0db the green light flashes.
step 2: the OVER-LED flashes red as soon as clipping occurs...of course;)..... AND stops flashing as soon as no clipping occurs.

As said before these 2 LEDs and the red REC-button LED can be disabled in the preset-menue for stealthing ;).
Some of you might use the LEDs for blind-level-checking...set the LEVEL-LED to -12dB(green) and put the pmd620 into your front-pocket where you can have an eye on the LEVEL-LED and OVER-LED. ;)
The same goes for "distant-level-checking": just make sure you can see the pmd620 when hitting the kick-drum as musician or whatelse ;).
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Re: Tapers Section World Scoop (LOL) - Marantz PMD620
« Reply #156 on: January 01, 2008, 04:21:57 PM »
The 2nd track starts 24seconds before the track´s ending. ;)
track1: 51,380seconds
so track 2 starts at 51,380

The sample you uploaded is 51,380s long, so I think you uploaded only track 1, and not the merged two? Or..? ???

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Re: Tapers Section World Scoop (LOL) - Marantz PMD620
« Reply #157 on: January 01, 2008, 04:35:52 PM »
The 2nd track starts 24seconds before the track´s ending. ;)
track1: 51,380seconds
so track 2 starts at 51,380

The sample you uploaded is 51,380s long, so I think you uploaded only track 1, and not the merged two? Or..? ???

Roel



sorry, the complete merged track is 51,380 long and the 2nd track makes the last 23,790 seconds.
so you actually downloaded the correct sample.
The 2nd track begins at 27,590.
« Last Edit: January 01, 2008, 04:42:01 PM by Arni99 »
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Re: Tapers Section World Scoop (LOL) - Marantz PMD620
« Reply #158 on: January 02, 2008, 01:18:09 AM »
sorry, the complete merged track is 51,380 long and the 2nd track makes the last 23,790 seconds.
so you actually downloaded the correct sample.
The 2nd track begins at 27,590.

Excellent! Even a close inspection of the waveform at that point doesn't show anything.. :D

Thanks for testing!

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Re: Tapers Section World Scoop (LOL) - Marantz PMD620
« Reply #159 on: January 02, 2008, 03:03:47 AM »
sorry, the complete merged track is 51,380 long and the 2nd track makes the last 23,790 seconds.
so you actually downloaded the correct sample.
The 2nd track begins at 27,590.

Excellent! Even a close inspection of the waveform at that point doesn't show anything.. :D

Thanks for testing!

Roel
Marantz does NOT guarantee a "seamless" split in its manual. It always depends on the recording mode and the card being used and the sample rate and resolution. I´m sure some samples will be dropped but as long as it´s nOT audible it should be perfect for tapers. ;)
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Re: Tapers Section World Scoop (LOL) - Marantz PMD620
« Reply #160 on: January 02, 2008, 08:02:04 AM »
Here a short MPEG4 vid of my PMD620 showing the green LEVEL-LED, the red OVER-LED and the red-REC-button-ring:
LEVEL-LED peak was set to -6dB here, as described some posts above the green light flashes as soon as -6dB are shown on the levelmeter IF set to -6dB.
Then I turned up thge volume on my homestereo to run into clipping => which sets the OVER-LED to red as long as clipping occurs.
Then I turned down the volume and both LEDs(LEVEL+OVER) stop blinking.

http://www.file-upload.net/download-588655/CIMG1431.AVI.MP4.html

For recording, LEVEL-LED set to -12db seems smart to me ;) in case you need "distant-level-checking" from several meters sitting on the drums or whatever.
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Re: Tapers Section World Scoop (LOL) - Marantz PMD620
« Reply #161 on: January 02, 2008, 10:53:25 AM »
sorry, the complete merged track is 51,380 long and the 2nd track makes the last 23,790 seconds.
so you actually downloaded the correct sample.
The 2nd track begins at 27,590.

Excellent! Even a close inspection of the waveform at that point doesn't show anything.. :D

Thanks for testing!

Roel
Marantz does NOT guarantee a "seamless" split in its manual. It always depends on the recording mode and the card being used and the sample rate and resolution. I´m sure some samples will be dropped but as long as it´s nOT audible it should be perfect for tapers. ;)


It also depends on the file size, apparently ("The continuity of sound is not guaranteed and depends on the speed of a card or the file size")...But, in my case, it doesn't matter too much if the split is truly seamless, audibly seamless, or contains a gap.  I have rarely, if ever, seen a set that hit the four hour mark (about 4GB at 24 bit), but I have seen quite a number that exceeded two hours (around 2GB at 24 bit).  I guess what I am saying is that, with 4GB files, I will never need to split files (seamless-ly or otherwise) during a set (in contrast to 2GB).

That being said, I can envision circumstances, as per Will_S's post, where it may be useful to run longer than the 4GB limit, so I am curious what happens when you split after recording a long file.  Did you try this already Arni?  If not, I 'll try to take a look tonight when I get home...Like I said, I might never encounter these situations but nice to know nonetheless...
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Re: Tapers Section World Scoop (LOL) - Marantz PMD620
« Reply #162 on: January 03, 2008, 06:53:30 AM »
Here I created a track by pressing REC after about 60min recording with internals at 16/44.1:-1st track 21.120(I deleted the rest of the recording..about 60min and only the 21.120 seconds remained in the end of the track where the trackmark was done manually)
-2nd track 10.340

The 2 tracks were merged with "Foobar".
http://www.file-upload.net/download-590399/joined_21s120_10s340.wav.html
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Re: Tapers Section World Scoop (LOL) - Marantz PMD620
« Reply #163 on: January 03, 2008, 09:42:59 AM »
 ???
My question is how hot does the PDM620 get under stealth recording conditions and can it take the slight movement asssociated with stealth recording?

I know the Korg gets hot while recording and was wondering about the PDM.  I've got to the point where I am paranoid to use my 2nd Edirol R-09 because of the input jack problems and am looking for a replacement that is small and more reliable.

Don

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Re: Tapers Section World Scoop (LOL) - Marantz PMD620
« Reply #164 on: January 03, 2008, 11:20:34 AM »
???
My question is how hot does the PDM620 get under stealth recording conditions and can it take the slight movement asssociated with stealth recording?

I know the Korg gets hot while recording and was wondering about the PDM.  I've got to the point where I am paranoid to use my 2nd Edirol R-09 because of the input jack problems and am looking for a replacement that is small and more reliable.

Don
Where were you hiding you Korg? In your trousers?
I will do my 1st stealth-recording with the PMD620 on January 18th, but I will use the belt-clip which comes with the PMD620 after I set the proper levels. SO there won´t be any issues with temperature.
Never heard of any temperature issue with recorders or movement-issues.
Ok, I never jump or dance around - I´m there to pull a great tape and not for dancing.
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