Author Topic: My First M/S Recording - Feedback? (Read 6923 times)

ford prefect · « **on:** March 11, 2007, 09:34:24 AM »

I borrowed JAson's LSD2 and ingsy's 660 last weekend and ran midside at the Paradise for Lotus. (~9 feet high and 6 feet from the stage). Spent some time playing around with the Waves S1 Plugin to mix it. I'd be interested what people think - and if I can do any more to improve it. Nematode is a good track.

http://www.archive.org/details/lotus2007-03-02.lsd2.flac16

The 660's level knobs take some getting used to. Please skip Comptroller as I spent the first half of that song trying to figure out what I was doing.

Thanks. The LSD2 might be my next mic purchase.

bluewingolive · « **Reply #1 on:** March 11, 2007, 09:47:50 AM »

Did a quick listen on Traval and Greet.....like it alot. My 4051s didn't capture Jesse's bass like that LSD2. Nice job.

ford prefect · « **Reply #2 on:** March 11, 2007, 09:52:00 AM »

Quote from: bluewingolive on March 11, 2007, 09:47:50 AM

Did a quick listen on Traval and Greet.....like it alot. My 4051s didn't capture Jesse's bass like that LSD2. Nice job.

Thanks, I'd be interested in hearing your recording Greg. Are you planning on sharing it? If not, can I send some blanks and postage? Shoot me a PM.

Shawn · « **Reply #3 on:** March 11, 2007, 10:21:53 AM »

sounds good brad. It has a nice stereo image, and it sounds like you captured everything. There was a really interesting discussion recently concerning M/S recording. one post in particular was very informative with regards to mixing...

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,80553.msg1075347.html#msg1075347

ford prefect · « **Reply #4 on:** March 11, 2007, 11:00:43 AM »

Wow. Still digesting David's comments. Thanks!

(also grabbed that harp/bagpipe recording)

shayne · « **Reply #5 on:** March 11, 2007, 11:16:43 AM »

I recently purchased a used LSD2 and my first 2 outings with it have been x/y cards, which worked really nice but I was wondering how I configure the caps for different techniques like m/s, and what pattern you are supposed to use in different situations, for example, fob, outside configs, etc. Sorry to hijack this post the recording sounds awsome! Thanks for any and all help!

ford prefect · « **Reply #6 on:** March 11, 2007, 11:50:06 AM »

Quote from: shayne on March 11, 2007, 11:16:43 AM

I was wondering how I configure the caps for different techniques like m/s

M/S (aka midside) is basically point one capsule directly forward at the center of the sound source (in my recording I used cardioid, although you can change this depending on the location and sound) this is the "Mid" source:

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... and the second capsule configured in a figure-8 pattern coordinated so it point's perpendicular to the other cap - basically pointing left/right, parallel to the front of the stage - this is the "Side" source.

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Once you transfer your recording to your computer, you decode and combine the 2 sources together to create an optimal mix according to what you like to hear.

Hope that helps. Lots more detail following Shawn's reference to another thread.

bluewingolive · « **Reply #7 on:** March 12, 2007, 10:29:57 AM »

Of course, I'll share it. Once I get it tracked (it's in a long line of stuff to track) it will probably end up on Archive. If not, I'll PM you for you addy. Jason put his up? I'd like to hear the Gefells.

edit for spelling.

ford prefect · « **Reply #8 on:** March 12, 2007, 01:57:19 PM »

Quote from: bluewingolive on March 12, 2007, 10:29:57 AM

Of course, I'll share it. Once I get it tracked (it's in a long line of stuff to track) it will probably end up on Archive. If not, I'll PM you for you addy. Jason put his up? I'd like to here the Gefells.

Nice! I sent Jason the split times so he can track his out really quickly (they are in my info file), so hopefully we'll see his up soon. I bet his recording is fantastic. Gefells... mmmm....

Jhurlbs81 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 13, 2007, 06:04:02 PM »

Cant wait to hear it Greg! Any chance your taping rane on Friday?

Jesse

bluewingolive · « **Reply #10 on:** March 14, 2007, 11:37:45 AM »

Sup Jesse. Actually doin' U-melt @ the Main Pub. I work nearby, so it's a convenient night out.

Brennan · « **Reply #11 on:** March 17, 2007, 06:04:25 AM »

Sounds like a really great mix Brad..I'm really liking the occasional 'WOO!!' from the crowd, adds a LOT to the atmosphere!

OT kinda: for the 'side' mic, how do you position it so it points both left & right at the same time? Seems impossible to me, but then again it's 3am here, haha..

EDIT: Just got my answer (it appears) from this pic

ford prefect · « **Reply #12 on:** March 19, 2007, 10:19:59 PM »

Quote from: Brennan on March 17, 2007, 06:04:25 AM

OT kinda: for the 'side' mic, how do you position it so it points both left & right at the same time? Seems impossible to me, but then again it's 3am here, haha..

EDIT: Just got my answer (it appears) from this pic

Thanks Brennan, glad you enjoyed it! Sounds like you were on the right track. One of the 2 capsules is configured in a figure 8 pattern like this:

The other one is configured as a cardioid, like this:

Brennan · « **Reply #13 on:** March 21, 2007, 12:36:19 AM »

Perfect! That's what I gathered from that mic pic I found

Thanks man!

BayTaynt3d · « **Reply #14 on:** March 21, 2007, 04:46:35 PM »

I was wondering if you'd be willing to upload a non-matrixed sample of this? I mean a 1-2 min. sample that is still M and S and not L and R. I ask because I'd like to play with mixing a MS myself sometime as I don't have much experience with it.

Kyle · « **Reply #15 on:** March 21, 2007, 06:08:06 PM »

Quote from: BayTaynt3d on March 21, 2007, 04:46:35 PM

I was wondering if you'd be willing to upload a non-matrixed sample of this? I mean a 1-2 min. sample that is still M and S and not L and R. I ask because I'd like to play with mixing a MS myself sometime as I don't have much experience with it.

I would really like that as well - I have no experience mixing m/s and no fig 8 capsule...

ford prefect · « **Reply #16 on:** March 21, 2007, 06:48:01 PM »

No problem, I'll post a link as soon as I can.

Kyle · « **Reply #17 on:** March 21, 2007, 06:50:23 PM »

Quote from: ford prefect on March 21, 2007, 06:48:01 PM

No problem, I'll post a link as soon as I can.

Thanks so much for sharing. Big +t to ya!

edit: ooops - that will be in 12

ford prefect · « **Reply #18 on:** March 22, 2007, 07:03:52 AM »

http://aftermidnight.dyndns.org/lotus/index.html

I've got 45KB/sec upload speed, so you may have to be patient. Figured I would give a whole song rather than just a snippet though.

Let us know what you learn after playing around. Have fun!

hummat · « **Reply #19 on:** March 22, 2007, 11:03:08 AM »

I'm new to all of this and have been reading up on M/S recording, as I 've got an LSD2 and it seems this mic is well suited for this type of recording. But I've got a question or 2:

1) Instead of setting one capsule to card to be the 'M', could I plug the SBD into that channel since it will be feeding me a mono signal?

My thinking is that since a good bit of mixing is done in post, the SBD would give me a very clean 'M' track to mix the fig 8 stuff into.

2) Or will screw up something will the power to the mic, since it's that funky split cable?

I'm a computer guy by trade and keep thinking back to SCSI termination problems.

midside · « **Reply #20 on:** March 22, 2007, 11:22:01 AM »

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ms+recording&btnG=Google+Search

ford prefect · « **Reply #21 on:** March 22, 2007, 01:08:46 PM »

Quote from: hummat on March 22, 2007, 11:03:08 AM

I'm new to all of this and have been reading up on M/S recording, as I 've got an LSD2 and it seems this mic is well suited for this type of recording. But I've got a question or 2:

1) Instead of setting one capsule to card to be the 'M', could I plug the SBD into that channel since it will be feeding me a mono signal?

My thinking is that since a good bit of mixing is done in post, the SBD would give me a very clean 'M' track to mix the fig 8 stuff into.

2) Or will screw up something will the power to the mic, since it's that funky split cable?

I'm a computer guy by trade and keep thinking back to SCSI termination problems.

Can you physically do this? Possibly - not sure what kind of impact phantom power will have on the board feed... or even the board itself.

Is it a mid/side recording? No. MS implies 2 microphones arranged as coincidentally as possible.

ford prefect · « **Reply #22 on:** March 22, 2007, 01:16:59 PM »

Quote from: raoulduke on March 22, 2007, 01:15:47 PM

NEVER feed a soundboard phantom power unless you have enough money to replace the channel you fry.

I guess that answers that question.

hummat · « **Reply #23 on:** March 22, 2007, 01:32:56 PM »

Quote from: raoulduke on March 22, 2007, 01:15:47 PM

NEVER feed a soundboard phantom power unless you have enough money to replace the channel you fry.

D'oh !! Didn't even think of that. That's why I come here and ask questions

ford prefect · « **Reply #24 on:** March 25, 2007, 11:27:48 AM »

Quote from: Kyle on March 21, 2007, 06:08:06 PM

Quote from: BayTaynt3d on March 21, 2007, 04:46:35 PM
I was wondering if you'd be willing to upload a non-matrixed sample of this? I mean a 1-2 min. sample that is still M and S and not L and R. I ask because I'd like to play with mixing a MS myself sometime as I don't have much experience with it.

I would really like that as well - I have no experience mixing m/s and no fig 8 capsule...

Were you guys able to download it? I just took a look at the logs, and it doesn't seem like anyone has downloaded that file... Let me know if something is wrong and I'll fix it, I tried it at work on Friday and it seemed to download fine for me.

Kyle · « **Reply #25 on:** March 26, 2007, 05:58:34 PM »

Quote from: ford prefect on March 25, 2007, 11:27:48 AM

Quote from: Kyle on March 21, 2007, 06:08:06 PM
Quote from: BayTaynt3d on March 21, 2007, 04:46:35 PM
I was wondering if you'd be willing to upload a non-matrixed sample of this? I mean a 1-2 min. sample that is still M and S and not L and R. I ask because I'd like to play with mixing a MS myself sometime as I don't have much experience with it.

I would really like that as well - I have no experience mixing m/s and no fig 8 capsule...

Were you guys able to download it? I just took a look at the logs, and it doesn't seem like anyone has downloaded that file... Let me know if something is wrong and I'll fix it, I tried it at work on Friday and it seemed to download fine for me.

d/l'ing slowly but surely - thanks again for sharing this m/s file

ford prefect · « **Reply #26 on:** March 26, 2007, 06:21:04 PM »

Quote from: Kyle on March 26, 2007, 05:58:34 PM

d/l'ing slowly but surely - thanks again for sharing this m/s file

Thanks for letting me know Kyle,

-Brad