Topic: EDIROL R-44 (PART IV)

[yltfan]

Sorry to be such a noob loser, but I have my R-44 debut tomorrow night, and want to check a couple things. I think I'm all set on power, sd card, level adjusting, but couldn't figure out the right setting for 2 x stereo (will be running two sets of mics). Also, I have not done much 24 bit recording. Is there a good reason to go 24/96? I'd rather do 44 or 48 to save some space, try to avoid the 2 gig limit. Thoughts? And thanks for helping this noob get it together.

[NOLAfishwater]

Sorry to be such a noob loser, but I have my R-44 debut tomorrow night, and want to check a couple things. I think I'm all set on power, sd card, level adjusting, but couldn't figure out the right setting for 2 x stereo (will be running two sets of mics). Also, I have not done much 24 bit recording. Is there a good reason to go 24/96? I'd rather do 44 or 48 to save some space, try to avoid the 2 gig limit. Thoughts? And thanks for helping this noob get it together.

under recorder settings change it to 2 x stereo. If you are recording analog in then select Analog. If you are running a preamp W/SPDIF, you will select Dig + Analog. Under this setting your SPDIF will use channels 1&2 and analog in will be under 3&4. I run 24/48 as there is no need to go to a higher sample rate for my needs. I watch my clock and when I get to 1:45 of a 2hr + long show, I start a new track in between songs. This allows for you not to have to deal with the 2GB split which can cause you problems in post if your editing program can only handle 2GB files.

[yltfan]

Wow--thanks for the quick reply!
I don't have the recorder here so I can't look, but the only 2 x stereo I could seem to find was dig + analog. Do I need to have stuff plugged in to be able to access the 2 x stereo analog, or are there two different settings: 2 x stereo, and dig/ana? Or I am just completely missing it?

And for the file splitting, do you need to start new tracks around :50 when running 4 tracks, or are the 2 files separate?

And last question, I swear: is it imperative that I do the firmware upgrade before tomorrow?

[skotdee]

Two different settings, both under recording setup

[sanaka]

And for the file splitting, do you need to start new tracks around :50 when running 4 tracks, or are the 2 files separate?

How I think of it all is, at 24bit x 48khz, you get almost exactly 2 hours per gigabyte per track per file. Since a stereo file has two tracks, you get 1 hour of stereo per gig. Running the R-44 at STEREOx2 indeed means it is making two separate stereo files, so you still get two hours before the file splits happen.

What I never thought of until just now is that if we record mono tracks (MONOx2 or 4) we should be able to record for four hours before file split! You'd have to restore stereo in post though, by panning the respective tracks to L & R.

Peace,
Sanaka

[yltfan]

Hey--thanks again for all the advice. The maiden voyage went pretty well--what a nice machine! It was fun to run two sets of mics into the same deck and then play back all the different combinations afterward. The only thing I messed up was not stopping the wind, which was blowing a little too hard for the stock screens on the AT's. Strangely, the wind noise was less audible on the shotguns with no screens.

[Ozpeter]

This morning's gig was full set of tuned percussion (marimaba, vibes, glockenspiel, etc etc), Steinway grand piano, and violin, playing contemporary classical music in the fine new recital hall here.  By force of circumstance I had to record it with a stereo pair (Sennheiser MKH MS) and a single spot mic (for the violin). Monitoring was via Naiant's excellent custom built four-channel monitor mixer to give me an immediate feel of the mix I can get in post-production.  I sat there with a silly grin on my face listening to excellent sound - lots of crisp sparkle, bottom end of the piano all there, silent between movements (the hall is about as quiet as any on this planet) and peaking to -3dB on the percussion transients.

One hell of a recorder - and all in a palm-size package.

[WiFiJeff]

One hell of a recorder - and all in a palm-size package.

Memo to self: remember not to shake hands with Ozpeter.

Jeff

[Gutbucket]

[WiFiJeff]

Just as I suspected.  As he needs an avatar, too, that will do nicely.

Jeff

[JNT]

I recently purchased an R44.  I played with the settings and did some test recordings at home but have not yet used it in the field.

I purchased this Transcend 16 GB Class 6 SDHC card.
http://www.amazon.com/Transcend-Memory-TS16GSDHC6E-Frustration-Free-Packaging/dp/B001ECQVTM/ref=pd_cp_e_3

In my brief testing the card seems to work fine but I have seen several posts recommending class 4 cards. 

Why would you want to use a class 4 card vs a class 6 card?  Are there know issues with the R44 and class 6 cards?

Sorry if this is explained someplace but I couldn't find it.

Joe

[Ozpeter]

Class 4 is usually cheaper, that's all.  As I recall it I did some early tests with a class 2 card and it actually worked fine.  But I use class 6 just to be sure.

Oh, and yes, perhaps 'Palm size' was an exaggeration - but the R-44 encourages wild enthusiasm!

[JNT]

Ok here is one post about the class 6 but it seems to apply to the 16gb card the smaller class 6 worked fine.

Joe

 


http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,97893.msg1304350.html#msg1304350


R-44 fresh out of the gate, original firmware
- While running Digital In (16/44.1) onto aTranscend 16gb type 6 sdhc card, I continually encountered the "SD SLOW ERROR".  This error surfaced when the card was 1/2 full as well as newly formatted. After switching the 16gb card with a Transcend 4gb type 6 card, I have not encountered the issue again.
- I've had issues with Transcend 16 gb cards as well.   Panasonic and Toshiba 16gb cards are the only ones that have been tested and proved to work
- I've been doing digital-in @ 24/44 with a 8GB Transcend class 6 card with no issues.
- 8gb Adata class6 sdhc cards are working great...4ch digi+analog @ 24/48 stereox2.

[sanaka]

Further caution about class 6 cards:

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,103270.15.html

Ozpeter, I thought the one you had trouble with was class 6 as well?

I returned some Transcend 16G class 6 in favor of some Kingston class 4 based on posts here (they've been flawless so far).


Peace,
Sanaka

[Ozpeter]

I had a Transcend 8GB die on me but the replacement (identical) has been fine - so far...  I think I was perhaps just unlucky.  Obviously if they had a really high failure rate, they'd be out of business - there are no secrets on the internet!