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Gear / Technical Help => Microphones & Setup => Topic started by: lordbelial on September 06, 2005, 04:29:51 PM
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I have been keeping a conversation with Chris from "Soundprofessionals", and he has told me that in a brief leadtime, Audio Technica is about to lauch the Omnidirectional caps for the AT835.
I guess this is a very good new.
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AT835 is the shotgun mic. Do you mean AT831?
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Or he could mean the AT853? Wait a min, there are already omni caps for 853s already, I think. :P
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thats going to be one odd sounding shotgun ;)
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wellthe 853 omni caps are discontinued
so perhaps there is a new version
though i don't see why they are re-inventing the wheel.
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There are white omni caps floating around with dealers from what I heard. I also understand, from talking to a AT rep, that the old AT853RX caps will fit on the new AT853R Unipoint. The new AT853R has been improved to deal with radiowave interference. They also tweaked the new Unipoint caps to 11mv sensitivity. The old caps are 7 mv, but still rock IMHO.
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wellthe 853 omni caps are discontinued
so perhaps there is a new version
though i don't see why they are re-inventing the wheel.
AT is changing the line to "U853" models. They have slightly different specs. The freq response curves don't look quite as good, but the SNR is better (70dB instead of 67dB). I guess time will tell how good they are.
So, does anyone know if the capsules/bodies are compatable? Alot of us have got a significant investment (???) in AT853 gear. Myself I've got something like ten various capsules and three different sets of mics!
Richard
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AT is changing the line to "U853" models. They have slightly different specs. The freq response curves don't look quite as good, but the SNR is better (70dB instead of 67dB). I guess time will tell how good they are.
So, does anyone know if the capsules/bodies are compatable? Alot of us have got a significant investment (???) in AT853 gear. Myself I've got something like ten various capsules and three different sets of mics!
Richard
Woah, you are so locked in... But I think the current AT853 gear is already good..why bother to upgrade? :)
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So, does anyone know if the capsules/bodies are compatable? Alot of us have got a significant investment (???) in AT853 gear. Myself I've got something like ten various capsules and three different sets of mics!
Richard
The new UE-x capsules are compatable with the older unipoint series mics. I read it somewhere on the AT site a week or so ago. Don't know if the older capsules are compatable with the new bodies (don't remember them saying so, but the threads must match if the new capsules fit the old bodies).
Also, there are probably omnis still available, but only white in color. I doubt that the new UE-x capsules will be seen for $28 (like good ol' alpha s&l), so you might want to check on the 'older' omni capsules while they last (if they haven't sold out yet). Discontinued doesn't necessarily equate to unavailable. Good luck!
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Looks like the source info will soon be either: AT853 (capsule)> or AT U853 (capsule)> for the unipoint series line.
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HI there!
Sorry, it was an error of writing.
This is what Chris told me when I asked him for omni caps for the CMC-4 (at853):
"AT will be coming out with omni heads for the 853's shortly and when they do, they will fit with no adapters"
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Looks like the source info will soon be either: AT853 (capsule)> or AT U853 (capsule)> for the unipoint series line.
Are the unipoints already available?
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Looks like the source info will soon be either: AT853 (capsule)> or AT U853 (capsule)> for the unipoint series line.
Are the unipoints already available?
Yes they are. Just did a froogle search and came up with several results. Looks like $198/mic is the best deal going. Didn't check prices on capsules.
lordbelial: you can maybe still pick up some discontinued omnis (white) for $28/each if you check with Alpha.
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lordbelial: you can maybe still pick up some discontinued omnis (white) for $28/each if you check with Alpha.
last time i check with them they said they are out of stock
Raphael
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Are the unipoints already available?
Yes they are. Just did a froogle search and came up with several results. Looks like $198/mic is the best deal going. Didn't check prices on capsules.
lordbelial: you can maybe still pick up some discontinued omnis (white) for $28/each if you check with Alpha.
Yeah, I tried that also. I see $185 a mic from B&H.
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"AT will be coming out with omni heads for the 853's shortly and when they do, they will fit with no adapters"
That's odd, AT already came out with omni's for the 853's and they didn't need adapters. Maybe you're talking about the 933's or the 943's which require an adaptor to use the 853 caps?
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So, does anyone know if the capsules/bodies are compatable? Alot of us have got a significant investment (???) in AT853 gear. Myself I've got something like ten various capsules and three different sets of mics!
Richard
The new UE-x capsules are compatable with the older unipoint series mics. I read it somewhere on the AT site a week or so ago. Don't know if the older capsules are compatable with the new bodies (don't remember them saying so, but the threads must match if the new capsules fit the old bodies).
Also, there are probably omnis still available, but only white in color. I doubt that the new UE-x capsules will be seen for $28 (like good ol' alpha s&l), so you might want to check on the 'older' omni capsules while they last (if they haven't sold out yet). Discontinued doesn't necessarily equate to unavailable. Good luck!
Hi. I just got off the phone with AT Tech Support (Todd). He said new and old models are interchangeable, both the elements and the bodies. Great! He said the specs have improved *a bit* and they've added some RF rejection (was that a problem with anyone before?). It looks like they'll be a little cheaper too, at least at $200 (street?) compared to about $250 list for the old Unipoint. Hmm. I wonder if the old Unipoint will go any lower than $145 (Alpha sound and lighting). Have to watch for that.
By the way, the '853s are "gold sputtered" diaphrams, 2 microns. That must be why they sound so good compared to other electrets. I asked about the AT2020, entry level studio cardioid. This is electret, but not gold sputtered. It still got good reviews thouh.
Anyway, long live Team AT, subteam '853.
Richard
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"AT will be coming out with omni heads for the 853's shortly and when they do, they will fit with no adapters"
That's odd, AT already came out with omni's for the 853's and they didn't need adapters. Maybe you're talking about the 933's or the 943's which require an adaptor to use the 853 caps?
This was the answer I recieved when I asked for omni's caps for the CMC-4 (AT853). :-/
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+T poorlyconditioned
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"AT will be coming out with omni heads for the 853's shortly and when they do, they will fit with no adapters"
That's odd, AT already came out with omni's for the 853's and they didn't need adapters. Maybe you're talking about the 933's or the 943's which require an adaptor to use the 853 caps?
This was the answer I recieved when I asked for omni's caps for the CMC-4 (AT853). :-/
This got me thinking....are there adapters for 853's to take 933/43 caps? I'm not sure why one would want to, but just curious. Otherwise, the above doesn't make sense to me.
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"AT will be coming out with omni heads for the 853's shortly and when they do, they will fit with no adapters"
That's odd, AT already came out with omni's for the 853's and they didn't need adapters. Maybe you're talking about the 933's or the 943's which require an adaptor to use the 853 caps?
This was the answer I recieved when I asked for omni's caps for the CMC-4 (AT853). :-/
This got me thinking....are there adapters for 853's to take 933/43 caps? I'm not sure why one would want to, but just curious. Otherwise, the above doesn't make sense to me.
AT933/943 are the smaller diameter bodies/caps (around 8mm diameter), while AT853 are the bigger size (approx 12mm diameter). I believe 933 are the older version of the small caps, while AT943 are the newer version.
Anyway you can get adapters to fit '853 caps onto 933/943 bodies. But not the other way around.
By the way, I was surprised to learn that 853 caps also fit on AT831 bodies too! The bodies are somewhere in between, maybe 10mm diameter, but the caps have the same thread. It is probably not officially compatable, but it appears to work. So if anyone out there has *any* of the bodies (933/943, 831, or 853), go ahead and try some 853 caps. I guess the newer caps are fair game too, though the prices may be higher. Another thing, it is only subjective, but my impression is that 831 caps are not as good as the 853s. I have not tried the (smaller) 933/943 caps yet, but I'm guessing 853 will sound better.
Signed, your neighbourhood Unipoint fluffer...
Richard
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I believe 933 are the older version of the small caps, while AT943 are the newer version.
the 943s and 933s are the same mic just a different names and (i think) different cables
Raphael
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AT933/943 are the smaller diameter bodies/caps (around 8mm diameter), while AT853 are the bigger size (approx 12mm diameter). I believe 933 are the older version of the small caps, while AT943 are the newer version.
Yeah, I knew that part...I've got the 943s and the 853s with the adapters. I was referring to this statement:
"AT will be coming out with omni heads for the 853's shortly and when they do, they will fit with no adapters"
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This got me thinking....are there adapters for 853's to take 933/43 caps? I'm not sure why one would want to, but just curious. Otherwise, the above doesn't make sense to me.
AT933/943 are the smaller diameter bodies/caps (around 8mm diameter), while AT853 are the bigger size (approx 12mm diameter). I believe 933 are the older version of the small caps, while AT943 are the newer version.
Yeah, I knew that part...I've got the 943s and the 853s with the adapters. I was referring to this statement:
"AT will be coming out with omni heads for the 853's shortly and when they do, they will fit with no adapters"
They will fit with *no* adapters. This means the new capsules/heads will fit existing 853 bodies. Did you miss the "no" word? I did no first reading.
Richard
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This got me thinking....are there adapters for 853's to take 933/43 caps? I'm not sure why one would want to, but just curious. Otherwise, the above doesn't make sense to me.
AT933/943 are the smaller diameter bodies/caps (around 8mm diameter), while AT853 are the bigger size (approx 12mm diameter). I believe 933 are the older version of the small caps, while AT943 are the newer version.
Yeah, I knew that part...I've got the 943s and the 853s with the adapters. I was referring to this statement:
"AT will be coming out with omni heads for the 853's shortly and when they do, they will fit with no adapters"
They will fit with *no* adapters. This means the new capsules/heads will fit existing 853 bodies. Did you miss the "no" word? I did no first reading.
Richard
Man, I totally spaced there for a while...I wasn't taking that statement to be in reference to the new line of 853s. It totally threw me off. My apologies, Richard.
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This got me thinking....are there adapters for 853's to take 933/43 caps? I'm not sure why one would want to, but just curious. Otherwise, the above doesn't make sense to me.
AT933/943 are the smaller diameter bodies/caps (around 8mm diameter), while AT853 are the bigger size (approx 12mm diameter). I believe 933 are the older version of the small caps, while AT943 are the newer version.
Yeah, I knew that part...I've got the 943s and the 853s with the adapters. I was referring to this statement:
"AT will be coming out with omni heads for the 853's shortly and when they do, they will fit with no adapters"
They will fit with *no* adapters. This means the new capsules/heads will fit existing 853 bodies. Did you miss the "no" word? I did no first reading.
Richard
Man, I totally spaced there for a while...I wasn't taking that statement to be in reference to the new line of 853s. It totally threw me off. My apologies, Richard.
No problem. Hey, it looks like we've both got all the caps except the subcards. I'm going to get those next!
Richard
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No problem. Hey, it looks like we've both got all the caps except the subcards. I'm going to get those next!
Richard
I have the subs for the 853s. I've actually only ran them with the adapters/943s but was very pleased with the sound.
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No problem. Hey, it looks like we've both got all the caps except the subcards. I'm going to get those next!
Richard
those are my next ones too... although i am contemplating the new uline guns... i just think they look cool... i am not sure what kind of sound i will get out of them though.