Topic: Edirol R-09 Help Please

[thespangleman]

Hi, I have just bought an Edirol R-09 with the intention of taping mainly rock concerts. Please could anyone offer me any help regarding whether the internal mics are any good and if not, which external mics would I be best to use. Also, best way to set up the R-09, AGC etc..
As I'm completely new to this, any other little tips or tricks would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Barry (thespangleman).

[DaveG73]

I am sure you will find a lot if you just read around a little more.

Start Here  http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,71818.0.html

Look up "Church-Audio" in the "Retail Space" section of the board to get some good quality external mics and Batt Box/Preamp if you wanna go that way.

Good Luck.

Dave.

[MSTaper]

Welcome!  I've only had my R-09 for three months or so. I recorded several sets with the internal mics (I had nothing else at the time) and they will work in a pinch (better in certain situations than others), but external mics are the way to go.

I also would recommend Chris Church's equipment which seems to work very well with the R-09. He has a good special running, I think. If not the prices are still very reasonable.

The R-09 FAQ here is a great resource and I'm sure the experienced tapers will give their opinions at some time. Everyone here is more than helpful.

But ... since you asked, I've always read to not use the AGC so I never had. I've always set my mic gain on low when using external mics.

I've done primarily open recording so I can't discuss stealth intelligently.

If you have the R-09, but no mics, I'd go out and record some bands in clubs if you can, just to become familar with the unit, setting levels, getting used to it, etc. I've made listenable recordings that were OK for me.

Have fun! rWc3523

[thespangleman]

Thanks so much Dave and Russ For your replies and help. Much appreciated.

[tms]

Hey Dave, great avatar!  Real ale rocks.

[digifish_music]

Hi, I have just bought an Edirol R-09 with the intention of taping mainly rock concerts. Please could anyone offer me any help regarding whether the internal mics are any good and if not, which external mics would I be best to use. Also, best way to set up the R-09, AGC etc..
As I'm completely new to this, any other little tips or tricks would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Barry (thespangleman).

Greetings, another 2c.

The internal mics are ok for loud sources but too noisy for anything acoustic or ambient.

The Sound Professionals also make a range of nice binaural/stealth mics that work well with the R-09 (nothing more needed as they run off the plug-in power).

http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/category/110/mics

I have a set of SP-TFB-2 mics (and for about $70 USD they are amazing value for money). They live wrapped around my R-09 for most of the unplanned field-recordings I do.

e.g.

Thunder
Leaves falling in a rain forrest
Didgeridoo
Cave tour

type in "SP-TFB-2" in the search page to pull up examples. You can preview low-quality versions of the sound by pressing the play button, or of you set up a login you can download the high-qulity originals.

http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/searchText.php

digifish

[thespangleman]

Thanks for the advice Digifish. After listening to your sound samples, I've just ordered a SP-TFB-2 mic set and a 9volt mini battery module.

Thanks again, Barry.

[guysonic]

Another R-09 mic option that works great for recording moderate to extremely loud bands is discussed with recorded examples at http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,83254.0.html and http://taperssection.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=dc5cb19c3eae03a2a98a47d2a8b6b290&topic=81782.msg1103544#msg1103544

[digifish_music]

Another R-09 mic option that works great for recording moderate to extremely loud bands is discussed with recorded examples at http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,83254.0.html and http://taperssection.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=dc5cb19c3eae03a2a98a47d2a8b6b290&topic=81782.msg1103544#msg1103544

Great raw recording there, fantastic bottom end...I realise you were demoing the raw mics, but with a little mastering it's even better, mid-range is a little fatter now.

Wailers Mastered

Here I alternate between the two so you can more clearly hear what I did...

Off - on - off etc...

Off - On - Off example

digifish

[digifish_music]

Thanks for the advice Digifish. After listening to your sound samples, I've just ordered a SP-TFB-2 mic set and a 9volt mini battery module.

Thanks again, Barry.

Please post some samples once you are done. The SP gear is a great place to start, very cheap, very good...nothing to lose. I am sure you will be impressed, I was...still can't believe these mics are $69...well I can given that they are made from some $10 of panasonic WM-61A or B capsules...like most of them...but you get the picture.

http://www.panasonic.com/industrial/components/pdf/em06_wm61_a_b_dne.pdf

digifish

[guysonic]

Another R-09 mic option that works great for recording moderate to extremely loud bands is discussed with recorded examples at http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,83254.0.html and http://taperssection.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=dc5cb19c3eae03a2a98a47d2a8b6b290&topic=81782.msg1103544#msg1103544

Great raw recording there, fantastic bottom end...I realise you were demoing the raw mics, but with a little mastering it's even better, mid-range is a little fatter now.

Wailers Mastered

Here I alternate between the two so you can more clearly hear what I did...

Off - on - off etc...

Off - On - Off example

digifish

Thank you for examples of post work.  Your edit is easily heard, and OFF/ON really helps show differences from raw. 

For my tastes, suggest a bit less boost at maybe 50% less than example for more natural mid-high sound that still retains a nicer benefit of boost with less chance of synthetic sibilance sounding artifacts.

[calvinroots]

that low end is beautiful...WOW