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Gear / Technical Help => Microphones & Setup => Topic started by: dennisrtyler on July 01, 2008, 02:21:08 PM
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well i know i read on TS that schoeps had come out with a NOS bar for the 21s. i can't for the life of me find that thread or find the bar on the schoeps page. does anybody remember the thread or the model # of the bar? TIA!!
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Have you tried the Schoeps website?
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Have you tried the Schoeps website?
of course :P i actually found a note i made about it when the original post was made. it is called the STCw, like STCg(ortf). what's weird is i can't find one single thing about it on the schoeps site.
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Call Redding Audio or Jerry at Posthorn - if it's available, they'll know about it - and then buy it from them to support their business and customer service. :)
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Call Redding Audio or Jerry at Posthorn - if it's available, they'll know about it - and then buy it from them to support their business and customer service. :)
yeah redding seems to know nothing about it. someone on this board posted that schoeps had come out with the STCw in their newest catalog and advertised it to be used with CCM21s. i guess it was vaporware. :-\
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If this is vaporware, then I wonder how I've been able to record with it (see photo). For about two years now there has been a Schoeps bar similar to the STC with 25 cm spacing and 110 degree angle between the capsules. This gives a very slightly wider recording angle than ORTF when used with 2 x MK 21 "wide cardioid" capsules on Colette cables, or 2 x CCM 21 compact microphones.
Redding Audio certainly knows about it and stocks it, and so does Jerry Bruck; he and I were the co-instigators of this product. When the first batch of these became available, I bought Jerry's for him as a gift.
Schoeps doesn't list it in the catalog purely for bureaucratic reasons--they list the STC under "ORTF Stereo," and of course when you use a different spacing and a different pickup pattern, it isn't ORTF any more. The gentleman who puts the catalogs together couldn't think of another place to list it, or so he said.
--best regards
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:lol:
Nice reading.
I assume this fits the CCM series and the KC5 cables? What do they run cost-wise since they are "unlisted"?
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thanks for the info Mr. Satz.
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mmedley, you can use either a pair of MK 21 (or MK 21 H) capsules on KC ("Colette") active cables, or you can use CCM 21 U or CCM 21 L miniature microphones. The spacing between capsules, as measured between the center points of their diaphragms, becomes a few mm wider when CCMs are used--so the stereophonic recording angle becomes very slightly smaller in that case, but only by one or two degrees.
--best regards
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Anybody have a feel for how the center vs side emphasis compares for this "wide ortf" subcard config vs a std ortf setup with cards? Thanks.
Steve
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Call Redding Audio or Jerry at Posthorn - if it's available, they'll know about it - and then buy it from them to support their business and customer service. :)
yeah redding seems to know nothing about it. someone on this board posted that schoeps had come out with the STCw in their newest catalog and advertised it to be used with CCM21s. i guess it was vaporware. :-\
I may be a little late on this but I just got the 2008 catalogue and it IS in there and listed as: "STC-W - Special version of STCg for (2) MK21 capsules with active cables or (2) CCM21" Price $155
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Call Redding Audio or Jerry at Posthorn - if it's available, they'll know about it - and then buy it from them to support their business and customer service. :)
yeah redding seems to know nothing about it. someone on this board posted that schoeps had come out with the STCw in their newest catalog and advertised it to be used with CCM21s. i guess it was vaporware. :-\
I may be a little late on this but I just got the 2008 catalogue and it IS in there and listed as: "STC-W - Special version of STCg for (2) MK21 capsules with active cables or (2) CCM21" Price $155
155 for a rod of black delrin. Paging Robert Kwon!!! :alert:
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Call Redding Audio or Jerry at Posthorn - if it's available, they'll know about it - and then buy it from them to support their business and customer service. :)
yeah redding seems to know nothing about it. someone on this board posted that schoeps had come out with the STCw in their newest catalog and advertised it to be used with CCM21s. i guess it was vaporware. :-\
I may be a little late on this but I just got the 2008 catalogue and it IS in there and listed as: "STC-W - Special version of STCg for (2) MK21 capsules with active cables or (2) CCM21" Price $155
155 for a rod of black delrin. Paging Robert Kwon!!! :alert:
the CCM L mics don't fit in the kwons because of the lemos :-\
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Call Redding Audio or Jerry at Posthorn - if it's available, they'll know about it - and then buy it from them to support their business and customer service. :)
yeah redding seems to know nothing about it. someone on this board posted that schoeps had come out with the STCw in their newest catalog and advertised it to be used with CCM21s. i guess it was vaporware. :-\
I may be a little late on this but I just got the 2008 catalogue and it IS in there and listed as: "STC-W - Special version of STCg for (2) MK21 capsules with active cables or (2) CCM21" Price $155
155 for a rod of black delrin. Paging Robert Kwon!!! :alert:
the CCM L mics don't fit in the kwons because of the lemos :-\
are the lemo's to small for it to fit snug?
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Call Redding Audio or Jerry at Posthorn - if it's available, they'll know about it - and then buy it from them to support their business and customer service. :)
yeah redding seems to know nothing about it. someone on this board posted that schoeps had come out with the STCw in their newest catalog and advertised it to be used with CCM21s. i guess it was vaporware. :-\
I may be a little late on this but I just got the 2008 catalogue and it IS in there and listed as: "STC-W - Special version of STCg for (2) MK21 capsules with active cables or (2) CCM21" Price $155
155 for a rod of black delrin. Paging Robert Kwon!!! :alert:
the CCM L mics don't fit in the kwons because of the lemos :-\
are the lemo's to small for it to fit snug?
too big actually. that's the problem.
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Call Redding Audio or Jerry at Posthorn - if it's available, they'll know about it - and then buy it from them to support their business and customer service. :)
yeah redding seems to know nothing about it. someone on this board posted that schoeps had come out with the STCw in their newest catalog and advertised it to be used with CCM21s. i guess it was vaporware. :-\
I may be a little late on this but I just got the 2008 catalogue and it IS in there and listed as: "STC-W - Special version of STCg for (2) MK21 capsules with active cables or (2) CCM21" Price $155
155 for a rod of black delrin. Paging Robert Kwon!!! :alert:
the CCM L mics don't fit in the kwons because of the lemos :-\
are the lemo's to small for it to fit snug?
too big actually. that's the problem.
drill them out.
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> I may be a little late on this but I just got the 2008 catalogue and it IS in there and listed as: "STC-W - Special version of STCg for (2) MK21 capsules with active cables or (2) CCM21" Price $155
ekoostikal, what you're quoting is the U.S. distributor's price list. The catalog (published by Schoeps, translated and partly written by yours truly) unfortunately doesn't list this item, as I said earlier. But as I also said earlier, Redding Audio definitely knows about this item, since they were "in" on its creation.
> Paging Robert Kwon!!!
Well, in fact this product came about because I wrote to Mr. Kwon in September, 2005 to ask what he would charge for making one, and he quoted me $275 apiece, or three for $550.
When Schoeps is your low-cost alternative, something is not quite right ...
--best regards
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Unfortunately, unless you have a close friend or colleague in the machining business it will be pretty expensive on such a small quantity. The materials and programming are the easy part. I was just recently quoted $45 per piece I wanted machined with me supplying all materials and CAD drawings. Small runs will always be outrageously priced. Luckily, I am only wanting to mount the 4V's vertically in the bar so it is a fairly easy DIY unlike a DIN or DINa that would require much more advanced tooling skill.
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I know a few people in the machine shop over at my university, so I am going to try that alternative. I am only making some for personal use though and maybe a few extras if all goes well.
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> I may be a little late on this but I just got the 2008 catalogue and it IS in there and listed as: "STC-W - Special version of STCg for (2) MK21 capsules with active cables or (2) CCM21" Price $155
ekoostikal, what you're quoting is the U.S. distributor's price list. The catalog (published by Schoeps, translated and partly written by yours truly) unfortunately doesn't list this item, as I said earlier. But as I also said earlier, Redding Audio definitely knows about this item, since they were "in" on its creation.
You are correct .... sorry about the confusion..... I did get that information from the price list that Redding sent me..... I looked back in the actual gear catalogue and it is not listed there.
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Unfortunately, unless you have a close friend or colleague in the machining business it will be pretty expensive on such a small quantity. The materials and programming are the easy part. I was just recently quoted $45 per piece I wanted machined with me supplying all materials and CAD drawings. Small runs will always be outrageously priced. Luckily, I am only wanting to mount the 4V's vertically in the bar so it is a fairly easy DIY unlike a DIN or DINa that would require much more advanced tooling skill.
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I know a few people in the machine shop over at my university, so I am going to try that alternative. I am only making some for personal use though and maybe a few extras if all goes well.
There's a local supplier for the delrin and I know a guy with a machine shop...hmmmmm?