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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: Jammin72 on April 21, 2005, 02:30:40 AM
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Didn't see this posted yet. New 24/96 Palm Sized Flash recorder with digital In!
(http://www.sonicftp.com/news/images/m-audio_flashtracker.jpg)
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Great find, I was all set to order an R1 this week but this definitely changes things.
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wow, it looks like these things are gonna be hitting the streets left and right in the upcoming year. i wonder which one will be "the one."
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It's still way pre-production I think, but it's nice to know that they're in the loop!
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NICE!
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goofy ass flash card recorder.
if it takes the PCMCIA drives, that will be nice.
oh, and it had better cost between $5-700.
why wont somebody just build one of these fuckers with a nice laptop sized 60gb 7200rpm hdd.
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This was the only data listed by the reviewer from the show:
Flash Tracker
# In a quiet corner of the impressive M-audio stand, were a couple of interesting gems. First up was the Flash Tracker, a dimunuitvie hand-held recorder, using Compact Flash and Micro-drive as media, it sports (according to preliminary specs): 2x TRS mic/line jack inputs
# 48V phantom power
# 3.5mm jack mic in with 5V power for electrec and back condenser mic
# SPDIF input
# 3.5mm headphone out
# RCA stereo out
# USB 2.0
The unit really is palm sized and something that we are certainly lusting after. Unbelievably, this unit will be capable of 24-bit 96kHz recording and no doubt some popular compressed formats, we'll have to wait andx see - this is the only one there is for now. Stay tuned for more details.
So there's the hurry up and wait for the media in order to do festivals ecomomically but if it's drag and drop USB 2.0 Shouldn't be a big deal to dump to the Laptop Periodically. audioMIDI.com references the R1 as the intended competition so I would have to guess it's going to be in that ballpark pricewise.
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if this records 24/96 bit perfect, and is cheaper than the PMD-671 (and it looks like it will be cheaper), maybe I should hold off a little while longer before buying a 24 bit recorder... I wonder how long it'll be before this is released.
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it sports (according to preliminary specs): 2x TRS mic/line jack inputs
# 48V phantom power
So I guess you'd run mics with xlrs > trs inputs and the unit could power the mics that way. Looking at the Sonosax HD recorder picture, it looks like that's how they're doing it too maybe?
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it sports (according to preliminary specs): 2x TRS mic/line jack inputs
# 48V phantom power
So I guess you'd run mics with xlrs > trs inputs and the unit could power the mics that way. Looking at the Sonosax HD recorder picture, it looks like that's how they're doing it too maybe?
No reason why it couldn't, the connections stay balanced. They're really thinking space if they're using that. Makes you wonder about the supporting cast inside the box!
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Didn't see this posted yet. New 24/96 Palm Sized Flash recorder with digital In!
(http://www.sonicftp.com/news/images/m-audio_flashtracker.jpg)
As it has been said before, and will be said again, NOYCE.
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not shipping to early June, still in pre-production.
we have some on order and will keep you guys updated. that pic is prob from NAB
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not shipping to early June, still in pre-production.
we have some on order and will keep you guys updated. that pic is prob from NAB
It's from the Messe Show in Frankfurt just last week!
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June isn't bad. considering it took a LONG time for the SD 722/744 to go from "pre-production" to shipping.
Early June is only a month and a half away :)
not shipping to early June, still in pre-production.
we have some on order and will keep you guys updated. that pic is prob from NAB
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fuckin sweet! Looks like manufacturers are FINALLY on the right track!! :) Nice to see a RCA SPDIF connector too, as opposed to optical.
Glad I did not dump the lappy for a 722 quite yet...
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holy poop on a stick :o could this be the answer to my prayers?
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holy poop on a stick :o could this be the answer to my prayers?
i think you might have just summed up what about half of us are thinking.
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T-H-A-N-X F-O-R T-H-E N-I-C-E F-I-N-D !! :D
By the way, where did you get this from ?
This would be one hell of an all-in-one-box recording solution for stealth live recordings ...
Lets all hope for decent battery life and good handling abilities in concert situations (input level control knob? easy access to changing levels is a must in my opinion !!) ...
Now after checking about PDAudio and R1 and Marantz 671 it seems other manufacturers are on the right track, FINALLY ... :P
Looks like the consumer version of the Sonosax (can I say that?)
Again would you all please provide Info asap ... I wonder if there´s a chance someone of the specialists/enthusiast in this forum could get hands on a pre-production thingy ... (CraigT, wbrissette or someone please !!!)
Take care ...
liverecording2004
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Hello me, again ...
This is a link to a short discussion going on at oade.com ...
Interesting how Doug sees the development to come ...
http://www.oade.com/Tapers_Section/Forum/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=100&topic_id=2753&mesg_id=2753&page=
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if this records 24/96 bit perfect, and is cheaper than the PMD-671 (and it looks like it will be cheaper), maybe I should hold off a little while longer before buying a 24 bit recorder... I wonder how long it'll be before this is released.
Yeah I am with ya Jason, but the itch has been getting to me lately, just have to maintain control ;)
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if this records 24/96 bit perfect, and is cheaper than the PMD-671 (and it looks like it will be cheaper), maybe I should hold off a little while longer before buying a 24 bit recorder... I wonder how long it'll be before this is released.
Yeah I am with ya Jason, but the itch has been getting to me lately, just have to maintain control ;)
the biggest dilema I'm facing now is this: I only have 4 more blank DAT tapes. I really don't spend any more $$$ on more blanks, knowing that in all likelyhood, within a few months, I won't be running DAT anymore. that money would be better spent towards a 4 gig CF card, or something :)
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the biggest dilema I'm facing now is this: I only have 4 more blank DAT tapes. I really don't spend any more $$$ on more blanks, knowing that in all likelyhood, within a few months, I won't be running DAT anymore. that money would be better spent towards a 4 gig CF card, or something :)
With all the people here switching from dat to hd recorder as these things come out, there should be an abundance of new dat blanks in the yard sale for months to come.
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if this records 24/96 bit perfect, and is cheaper than the PMD-671 (and it looks like it will be cheaper), maybe I should hold off a little while longer before buying a 24 bit recorder... I wonder how long it'll be before this is released.
Yeah I am with ya Jason, but the itch has been getting to me lately, just have to maintain control ;)
the biggest dilema I'm facing now is this: I only have 4 more blank DAT tapes. I really don't spend any more $$$ on more blanks, knowing that in all likelyhood, within a few months, I won't be running DAT anymore. that money would be better spent towards a 4 gig CF card, or something :)
Heh I'll one up ya, my D8 is acting funny, so I am borrowing a D7 at the moment and I too only have about 5 DAT's left, so do I fix my D8, maybe purchase the D7 I am using right now, plus more DAT's or just sit and wait, man the itch is killing me ...
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Heh I'll one up ya, my D8 is acting funny, so I am borrowing a D7 at the moment and I too only have about 5 DAT's left, so do I fix my D8, maybe purchase the D7 I am using right now, plus more DAT's or just sit and wait, man the itch is killing me ...
This is exactly what happened to me.. My D8 went on the fritz so I had to purchase something ..so i went with the 670 as the 671 was not out yet...
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OH YEAH!!
Hope it displays levels ;)
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This thing is a freaking stealth dream box! Hopefully, it will converge my Denecke PS2 > Denecke AD20 > JB3 setup into 1 box. And it will fit in the palm on my hand? Sweet!
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i think the real key for stealthers is the fact it looks more like an mp3 player.. such as the jb3..rather than some other devices..
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i think the real key for stealthers is the fact it looks more like an mp3 player.. such as the jb3..rather than some other devices..
that's what I was thinking.
one less thing to have to crotch.
just have to cover that big red record button somehow.
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This looks awesome. Plus it looks like by the time it ships I'll be able to afford it. ;D
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do you need phantom adaptors or are they builthin in this unit?
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screw the pmd-671, this thing looks PROMISING ;D
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do you need phantom adaptors or are they builthin in this unit?
It does mention 48V Phantom Power although via TRS rather than XLR...
Now whether it's like most consumer gear and the mic in will overload at a Rock show we'll see...
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anyone heard anything else about this?
it looks like there's no way I'm getting my hands on an R1 until June so I think I may just put some money down on this unit and be the guinea pig :P
I just called Cascade Media and they're going to send me an email in the next day or two with some more details...
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I just called Cascade Media and they're going to send me an email in the next day or two with some more details...
Keep us posted on this!
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will do....
I wish I hadn't just had to throw down $2k on a new lappy or I would have just bought a damn 722 :P
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will do....
I wish I hadn't just had to throw down $2k on a new lappy or I would have just bought a damn 722 :P
at the rate they are going you wouldnt have gotten that before June either :P
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I know, and I want to tape NOW damnit :P
actually I'm going to be pretty busy for the next few weeks so as long as I can get my hands on something by June that will be okay... looking forward to red rocks this year, I'm already hitting up 4 shows (panic, moe/mule)
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I know, and I want to tape NOW damnit :P
actually I'm going to be pretty busy for the next few weeks so as long as I can get my hands on something by June that will be okay... looking forward to red rocks this year, I'm already hitting up 4 shows (panic, moe/mule)
understand that...thank god Tims recorder is already here and he has kindly given me access to it....kind of absurd actually...I started taping in '01 on the Crowes last tour, and the recorder I bought didnt get here in time for that, and now, on the Crowes reunion tour, I dont have a recorder :P thankfully both the raleigh and asheville shows will still be caught in 24 bit goodness :D
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that's pretty damn funny.... some things never change :P
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nick,
+t for the near coincidence timing of the 1k/10k (post to ticket thing).
very odd and somewhat frightening....+T backatcha Moke
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will do....
I wish I hadn't just had to throw down $2k on a new lappy or I would have just bought a damn 722 :P
at the rate they are going you wouldnt have gotten that before June either :P
Anyone heard about any shippments? I'm hopeing they were just waiting until they fixed the bug.
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Tim, let me know when you get details from Cascade about price/availability, etc...
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according to Frank from cascade they are getting new units early-to-mid may. this information was given to me when i ordered my 722 this past friday.
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according to Frank from cascade they are getting new units early-to-mid may. this information was given to me when i ordered my 722 this past friday.
I had also heard not much production was going on last week as they were at NABB..
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"they" as in sound devices? they don't have lackey's building those things while the suits hit up the convention? if so, that is VERY strange to me. nobody haults their business for a convention....at least i'd like to think not
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"they" as in sound devices? they don't have lackey's building those things while the suits hit up the convention? if so, that is VERY strange to me. nobody haults their business for a convention....at least i'd like to think not
yes, they as in SD....I dont think they haulted business, though I would not be surprised if they didnt want to ship more out until they got the HD slow failure issues taken care of...and those designers who probably owned that action I could see attending NABB
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hey you 2, get this thread back on topic! :)
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don't you guys have like a thousand threads about the 722 where you could take this discussion? :P
;)
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don't you guys have like a thousand threads about the 722 where you could take this discussion? :P
;)
sorry, just trying to fill space in the m-audio recorder thread until we have more than a picture :P
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looks like Cascade doesn't know a whole lot at this point... here's the email I got from them
M-Audio hasn't given us pricing information yet. They're saying they'll
start shipping in June.
We are placing people on the waiting list for them w/o any deposit required
at this time.
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don't you guys have like a thousand threads about the 722 where you could take this discussion? :P
;)
sorry, just trying to fill space in the m-audio recorder thread until we have more than a picture :P
;D
if the same people that were at the AES convention in october, were at this year's NABB convention i can say they were definitely NOT designers and more sales dudes. I could be wrong though, but they were both hesitant to get into the tech details and were more about trying to say why it's going to be the best 2 and 4 channel HD-based field recorders. But like i said, that was the impression i got. I could be wrong.
BTW, have you guys heard of this new m-audio recorder? it might be pretty cool! :P
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A little bird flew by today and told me that the new M-Audio recorder would be available in July.
24 bit, phantom power.....
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Any hint at a price, or did I miss that post? :-\
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Any hint at a price, or did I miss that post? :-\
cascade said that m-audio hasn't given them one yet
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the little birdie said price would be in the $399 plus range.
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the little birdie said price would be in the $399 plus range.
:o
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if theres ANY truth to that, and its bit-perfect, well then, i could afford MANY more flashcards ;D
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the little birdie said price would be in the $399 plus range.
:o
Hmmm $2400 for my 722, or $399 for this. :-\ Maybe I should just get a V3 and this instead...
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if theres ANY truth to that, and its bit-perfect, well then, i could afford MANY more flashcards
And all of the M-Audio devices I've seen have been bit perfect. While that doesn't necessarily mean this one is, at least they know how to do it. ;)
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if theres ANY truth to that, and its bit-perfect, well then, i could afford MANY more flashcards ;D
qft!
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your little birdie has the good info....
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the little birdie said price would be in the $399 plus range.
oh hell yes
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if theres ANY truth to that, and its bit-perfect, well then, i could afford MANY more flashcards
And all of the M-Audio devices I've seen have been bit perfect. While that doesn't necessarily mean this one is, at least they know how to do it. ;)
that's the million dollar question... looks promising so far though
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looks VERY promising :)
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looks like it's time to put the FR-2 up for sale ;D
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looks like it's time to put the FR-2 up for sale ;D
;D
i can afford this and maybe like 3-4 4GB flashacrds and im set :)
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I wonder how it is powered?
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great question, i really hadnt thought of that ???
either way, this looks like what ive been waiting for,im sure theres an easy powering solution, hell, id carry 6v sla's for this
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Kinda has me re-thinking the 722 I have on order. ???
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My guess is a 3.7v internal li-ion.
really shouldn't be to much to rig up a wallmat li-ion into a vr box to get it to run all day.
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My guess is a 3.7v internal li-ion.
really shouldn't be to much to rig up a wallmat li-ion into a vr box to get it to run all day.
exactly what i was thinking fozzy, and im already a step ahead of them on the vr box ;D
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Nice to see a RCA SPDIF connector too, as opposed to optical.
Nice to see a RCA SPDIF connector too, as opposed to optical.
QFTx2
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Let's keep the fingers crossed for a Backlit Display as well.
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...and a hold button, decent meters w/ peak hold function. I'm sure there's other stuff I'm forgetting.
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Nice to see a RCA SPDIF connector too, as opposed to optical.
Nice to see a RCA SPDIF connector too, as opposed to optical.
QFTx2
no doubt, especially running a locking coax cable ala the audio magic preto digital cable, and that connection is SOLID as an aes connection, maybe even better ;D
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Do you think it would be asking too much to have them redesign the unit so it looks like a cell phone to make stealthing easier? :P
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Tim...
I'm sure this has been asked but not sure how to search for it...
Is that cat on fire someone you know?
I've been watching it for 5 minutes straight now just amazed! :o
I can't beleive that hasn't happened to me yet... the 'ole beard wouldn't appreaciate that too much.
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http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=40531.0
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...and a hold button, decent meters w/ peak hold function. I'm sure there's other stuff I'm forgetting.
Throw a locking connector for external power on that list.
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...and a hold button, decent meters w/ peak hold function. I'm sure there's other stuff I'm forgetting.
Throw a locking connector for external power on that list.
that would be nice
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...and a hold button, decent meters w/ peak hold function. I'm sure there's other stuff I'm forgetting.
Throw a locking connector for external power on that list.
Hold button, yes. Meters, who cares? Very few people will be running this thing without a preamp in front, so meters wont be that big of an issue. And a locking connector is pretty much guaranteed to not be on there. ;)
Bit perfect digital in is all I really want. ;D
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Nope... want the meters.... my pre ain't got nothin' but a -3dB warning light ;D
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why wont somebody just build one of these fuckers with a nice laptop sized 60gb 7200rpm hdd.
They have, it's called a SD 722. :P
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Nope... want the meters.... my pre ain't got nothin' but a -3dB warning light ;D
I'm with you, gotta have something on there
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why wont somebody just build one of these fuckers with a nice laptop sized 60gb 7200rpm hdd.
They have, it's called a SD 722. :P
Evidently 7200 is too slow.... ::)
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why wont somebody just build one of these fuckers with a nice laptop sized 60gb 7200rpm hdd.
They have, it's called a SD 722. :P
Evidently 7200 is too slow.... ::)
It was a firmware problem, not a hardware problem :-*
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;)
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wow, i couldnt sleep so i popped on here and what do i find, the holy grail ive been waiting for. with CF
prices coming down, it looks like ill be able to afford a couple of 4GB cards and this sucker after i get
my graduation money. i just sent an email to frank to put me up on the waiting list, cant wait to get some
more details on this thing.
:D ;D
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i think i want one too. gonna wait for the first wave of them to ship and see whats up tho. never know what else might be on the way.
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why wont somebody just build one of these fuckers with a nice laptop sized 60gb 7200rpm hdd.
They have, it's called a SD 722. :P
Evidently 7200 is too slow.... ::)
It was a firmware problem, not a hardware problem :-*
even worse, in the 36 months it took them to get out, they should have figured that one out :P
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even worse, in the 36 months it took them to get out, they should have figured that one out :P
yeah, because we are guaranteed this box will work as advertised when it comes out ::)
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Nope... want the meters.... my pre ain't got nothin' but a -3dB warning light ;D
I'm with you, gotta have something on there
Yeah meters ...
Could this be the answer I have been waiting for ? I sure hope so, in fact I think I am going to get on the waiting list ...
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the little birdie said price would be in the $399 plus range.
:o wow this would be great, but I am alittle skeptical of course 8)
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why wont somebody just build one of these fuckers with a nice laptop sized 60gb 7200rpm hdd.
They have, it's called a SD 722. :P
Evidently 7200 is too slow.... ::)
It was a firmware problem, not a hardware problem :-*
even worse, in the 36 months it took them to get out, they should have figured that one out :P
i thought that problem was due to having a full hard drive, which will cause any write function to hiccup on itself...???
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i thought that problem was due to having a full hard drive, which will cause any write function to hiccup on itself...
There you go, thinking again. ;)
SD says it was a firmware problem. People were getting it with completely empty drives.
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i thought that problem was due to having a full hard drive, which will cause any write function to hiccup on itself...
There you go, thinking again. ;)
SD says it was a firmware problem. People were getting it with completely empty drives.
serves me right for using my head for anything other than an alcohol and drug input device. guess i'll just go back to slowly killing my brain cells off...make room for the healthy ones to really thrive!
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even worse, in the 36 months it took them to get out, they should have figured that one out :P
yeah, because we are guaranteed this box will work as advertised when it comes out ::)
id rather pay 400 for something and find out it doesnt work properly rather than 2400 dollars :P
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id rather pay 400 for something and find out it doesnt work properly rather than 2400 dollars :P
Let's be truthful here. Is it really because you are a cheapskate, or is it because you want a 722 but can't afford it. :o
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id rather pay 400 for something and find out it doesnt work properly rather than 2400 dollars :P
Let's be truthful here. Is it really because you are a cheapskate, or is it because you want a 722 but can't afford it. :o
i wouldn't say its about being a cheapskate, or not being able to afford the 722, i'd say there are a lot of other factors in the equation. I might not have a lot of money, but if i want something bad enuf, i'll get it sooner or later. the 722 is nice, i'll give it that, even with the bugs that still need to be worked out. however, the m-audio recorder appeals to me a lot more. 1 - its supposedly $2k cheaper, thats $2k i can be spending on something else and 2 - its a helluva lot smaller. Not saying the 722 isn't stealthable, but smaller is better, even when you're trying to fit everything in your gear bag in a non stealth situation.
i dunno, so far the m-audio recorder appeals to me more than the 722 and its blinky lights.
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however, the m-audio recorder appeals to me a lot more. 1 - its supposedly $2k cheaper, thats $2k i can be spending on something else and 2 - its a helluva lot smaller. Not saying the 722 isn't stealthable, but smaller is better, even when you're trying to fit everything in your gear bag in a non stealth situation.
i dunno, so far the m-audio recorder appeals to me more than the 722 and its blinky lights.
I'm not a stealth guy. In fact, if a band tells me I can't record them, I consider it their loss, not mine. But then I've had really good luck recording bands that typically don't allow recording. But, the stealth factor never plays into my decision. I can see how it might for some I suppose.
The M-Audio Recorder is getting a lot of buzz. If they can deliver, this will definitely be one hot box. The 744T & 722 have their place and for some it's the holy grail they have been searching for. My demands were even greater than these two boxes could deliver, thus I went with the Zaxcom Deva IV. However, not everybody can afford 10K for a recording device (even I had a really hard time justifying it to myself... I love the box and I'll never have to buy another box again, but 10K is a lot of change to be tossing down), and it's definitely not something that lends itself to stealth situations.
As the R1, R4, and M-audio recorders start hitting the street in full force, I think we're going to start seeing some great things from the taping community. As it is, shows are now suddenly appearing within hours of the show instead of weeks or months. There will be other benefits too, and most of them will be positives.
But you're right about one thing, one size doesn't fit all when it comes to recording.
Wayne
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wayne, we all cant afford 8k recorders :P i mean, come on, this IS a hobby ;)
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and the 722/744 boxes tend to be folks 'all-in-one'box theyve been looking for, idlove to try the 480>722 personally once all of the bugs get worked out, but i dont do enuf 'large' acts like i used to where i could justify the $$, mainly, everything is gonna be local anymore
400 vs. 2400 is a BIG difference, and finallyw/ the $$ left over from what i WOULD have spent, i can get a downpayment oin a decent car, oh, and the v3 rules yer face ;)
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oh, and the v3 rules yer face
Damn straight! ;)
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oh, and the v3 rules yer face
Damn straight! ;)
qft yet again
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oh, and the v3 rules yer face
Damn straight! ;)
what bean meant to say was that the V2 > AD2K rules your face ;D
;)
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oh, and the v3 rules yer face
Damn straight! ;)
what bean meant to say was that the V2 > AD2K rules your face ;D
;)
damnit, let me hear that combo jef :)
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however, the m-audio recorder appeals to me a lot more. 1 - its supposedly $2k cheaper, thats $2k i can be spending on something else and 2 - its a helluva lot smaller. Not saying the 722 isn't stealthable, but smaller is better, even when you're trying to fit everything in your gear bag in a non stealth situation.
i dunno, so far the m-audio recorder appeals to me more than the 722 and its blinky lights.
I'm not a stealth guy. In fact, if a band tells me I can't record them, I consider it their loss, not mine. But then I've had really good luck recording bands that typically don't allow recording. But, the stealth factor never plays into my decision. I can see how it might for some I suppose.
The M-Audio Recorder is getting a lot of buzz. If they can deliver, this will definitely be one hot box. The 744T & 722 have their place and for some it's the holy grail they have been searching for. My demands were even greater than these two boxes could deliver, thus I went with the Zaxcom Deva IV. However, not everybody can afford 10K for a recording device (even I had a really hard time justifying it to myself... I love the box and I'll never have to buy another box again, but 10K is a lot of change to be tossing down), and it's definitely not something that lends itself to stealth situations.
As the R1, R4, and M-audio recorders start hitting the street in full force, I think we're going to start seeing some great things from the taping community. As it is, shows are now suddenly appearing within hours of the show instead of weeks or months. There will be other benefits too, and most of them will be positives.
But you're right about one thing, one size doesn't fit all when it comes to recording.
Wayne
The Zaxcom and Nagra V are all pieces of equipment that we'd love to have in our bag of tricks! For those that have them RIGHT ON!
I'm curiuos to hear the 722 more extensively. I like the format, the design, the look etc... One firmware glitch is acceptable. I am worried as an all in one solution simply because the Sound Devices portable preamps in my OPINION left a lot to be desired. They didn't do anything nasty to the signal but did seem to sound a bit flat and hard at the end of the day. I hope that improvements went into that part of the box as well as just breaking new ground in the recorder territory.
The thing about the new M-Audio Box is that we're simply dealing with an encoder here... everyone is still able to mate it up with the front end of thier choice which gives the concept a lot of flexibility. I wouldn't want to lay out serious cash on the recorder only to feel like I wanted to still run an external pre or converter in front of it. Anyone know offhand some recordings made with the 722 either X/Y or ORTF?
The R-4 is a great design but I would hold out till a mod is developed for it before I would be willing to give up my Pre. The Modified FR-2's sound fantastic! The space inside those boxes allowed for a good bit of tweaking but by the time I add up the cost for the recorder plus enough CF space to make it worth while it's back over my meager earnings (C'mon Gradutation!!).
I think that it's great that we're seeing such a wide variety of options begin to develop, gone are the days of D8, DA-P1, or HHb being the choices from which to choose.
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however, the m-audio recorder appeals to me a lot more. 1 - its supposedly $2k cheaper, thats $2k i can be spending on something else and 2 - its a helluva lot smaller. Not saying the 722 isn't stealthable, but smaller is better, even when you're trying to fit everything in your gear bag in a non stealth situation.
i dunno, so far the m-audio recorder appeals to me more than the 722 and its blinky lights.
I'm not a stealth guy. In fact, if a band tells me I can't record them, I consider it their loss, not mine. But then I've had really good luck recording bands that typically don't allow recording. But, the stealth factor never plays into my decision. I can see how it might for some I suppose.
The M-Audio Recorder is getting a lot of buzz. If they can deliver, this will definitely be one hot box. The 744T & 722 have their place and for some it's the holy grail they have been searching for. My demands were even greater than these two boxes could deliver, thus I went with the Zaxcom Deva IV. However, not everybody can afford 10K for a recording device (even I had a really hard time justifying it to myself... I love the box and I'll never have to buy another box again, but 10K is a lot of change to be tossing down), and it's definitely not something that lends itself to stealth situations.
As the R1, R4, and M-audio recorders start hitting the street in full force, I think we're going to start seeing some great things from the taping community. As it is, shows are now suddenly appearing within hours of the show instead of weeks or months. There will be other benefits too, and most of them will be positives.
But you're right about one thing, one size doesn't fit all when it comes to recording.
Wayne
The Zaxcom and Nagra V are all pieces of equipment that we'd love to have in our bag of tricks! For those that have them RIGHT ON!
I'm curiuos to hear the 722 more extensively. I like the format, the design, the look etc... One firmware glitch is acceptable. I am worried as an all in one solution simply because the Sound Devices portable preamps in my OPINION left a lot to be desired. They didn't do anything nasty to the signal but did seem to sound a bit flat and hard at the end of the day. I hope that improvements went into that part of the box as well as just breaking new ground in the recorder territory.
The thing about the new M-Audio Box is that we're simply dealing with an encoder here... everyone is still able to mate it up with the front end of thier choice which gives the concept a lot of flexibility. I wouldn't want to lay out serious cash on the recorder only to feel like I wanted to still run an external pre or converter in front of it. Anyone know offhand some recordings made with the 722 either X/Y or ORTF?
The R-4 is a great design but I would hold out till a mod is developed for it before I would be willing to give up my Pre. The Modified FR-2's sound fantastic! The space inside those boxes allowed for a good bit of tweaking but by the time I add up the cost for the recorder plus enough CF space to make it worth while it's back over my meager earnings (C'mon Gradutation!!).
I think that it's great that we're seeing such a wide variety of options begin to develop, gone are the days of D8, DA-P1, or HHb being the choices from which to choose.
great post, +T
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wow, i couldnt sleep so i popped on here and what do i find, the holy grail ive been waiting for. with CF
prices coming down, it looks like ill be able to afford a couple of 4GB cards and this sucker after i get
my graduation money. i just sent an email to frank to put me up on the waiting list, cant wait to get some
more details on this thing.
:D ;D
Yeah I am on the waiting list too, #4 !
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will the m-audio recorder be able to be a pre/ad as well as just a recorder right?
i think one thing that kinda makes me less interested in the 722, is the fact that i just got a v3 like 6 months ago, and i wouldn't want to give that up for a 722. it'll be nice to be able to run that in front of the m-audio (or some other bit accurate 24/96 recorder) for open taping, and then still have a recorder for stealth where i don't need the v3 neccessarily and can live with the recorders built in pre/ad.
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It would be great if this device really can take a 24/96Khz stream..
In order to support that volume of data (4GB/hour), the ability to write to a USB storage device would be sweet. That would allow the use of 2.5" or 3.5" drives as you prefer. FAT32 storage, whatever.
Of course, it would also be nice to have the ability to interface as a 'USB sound card'. So you could stream (and monitor) the recording to the laptop like a sound card and maybe also simultaneously store it on the device (allowing two copies).
lets just keep our fingers crossed on that one, but im leaning towards doubting that will happen, lets hope im wrong
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It would be great if this device really can take a 24/96Khz stream..
In order to support that volume of data (4GB/hour), the ability to write to a USB storage device would be sweet. That would allow the use of 2.5" or 3.5" drives as you prefer. FAT32 storage, whatever.
Of course, it would also be nice to have the ability to interface as a 'USB sound card'. So you could stream (and monitor) the recording to the laptop like a sound card and maybe also simultaneously store it on the device (allowing two copies).
lets just keep our fingers crossed on that one, but im leaning towards doubting that will happen, lets hope im wrong
so isnt 24/48 2GB an hour ??? that would give you 2 straight hours on one card and 24/48 would be sufficient enuf for me :)
hopefully one comes out w/a nice size HD and is just a straight recorder tho
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in my experience in the 24bit realm bean, 24/96 is 2gb an hour and 24/48 is about 2gb for 2 hours, so you can theoritcally get a 4 hour show on a 4 gb compact flash card, you'd probably need two 4gb cards to do a complete show at 24/96, which is fine with me, i cant wait til this little recorder gets out on the market, ill test it for sure
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just caught this thread...damn, I hope this little box is all it can be....Perfect to run with my V3....killer...
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yeah, i need more info on this thing!!!
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wayne, we all cant afford 8k recorders :P i mean, come on, this IS a hobby ;)
I think I mentioned that in my post :P
I realize that. Heck, I wasn't even planning on spending 10K, but when the Deva II didn't work for me (couldn't provide 40 mA of power for the mics), the best option was to spend the extra money and get a box that could give me that.
Anyhow, it's obvious you hold some grudge against SD and/or the 722/744T. Not sure why, because they are sold pieces of gear that sound great from what I've heard so far. But, far be it to me to tell you what you should or shouldn't want.
Wayne
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wayne, we all cant afford 8k recorders :P i mean, come on, this IS a hobby ;)
I think I mentioned that in my post :P
I realize that. Heck, I wasn't even planning on spending 10K, but when the Deva II didn't work for me (couldn't provide 40 mA of power for the mics), the best option was to spend the extra money and get a box that could give me that.
Anyhow, it's obvious you hold some grudge against SD and/or the 722/744T. Not sure why, because they are sold pieces of gear that sound great from what I've heard so far. But, far be it to me to tell you what you should or shouldn't want.
Wayne
holy crap, 40ma of power ;D
i have no grudge againt SD or any other company,i ujyst come from beliefs that something that expensive should have worked a bitbetter out of the box, hell, wehn things swell over and all ofthe bugs are fixed, i may grab one if its a nice match w/ the 480's :)
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holy crap, 40ma of power
i have no grudge againt SD or any other company,i ujyst come from beliefs that something that expensive should have worked a bitbetter out of the box, hell, wehn things swell over and all ofthe bugs are fixed, i may grab one if its a nice match w/ the 480's
Gotta agree with Bean here. Early adopters of the very expensive SD boxes are basically paying to be beta testers. I know SD took a while to get it out and people were getting impatient, but I still think they released it too early. That said, apparently the latest firmware seems to be pretty good.
But outside of taping, where would a situation like this be acceptable? If you were to buy the first brand new model of a Mercedes and it would randomly turn off the engine as you were going down the road, would you say "oh they're still working the kinks out?" ;)
Now at $400, I'll happily be a beta tester for this M-Audio device. At that price point I don't have to sell the rest of my gear to afford it, so I can run my JB3 as a backup unlike people who had to sell everything to invest in the SD boxes.
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Or people who are still trying to sell everything ...
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Or people who are still trying to sell everything ...
;D
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Or people who are still trying to sell everything ...
;D
8)
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But outside of taping, where would a situation like this be acceptable?
Happens every day in the telecom and computer industry.
Wayne
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But outside of taping, where would a situation like this be acceptable?
Happens every day in the telecom and computer industry.
Wayne
absolutely does....working my entire professional career at Nortel and Lucent I can guarantee you this happens every day in that industry...it is understood by the customers that they are getting in at the bleeding edge and as a result, there will be bugs...why do they do it? Because they can get a say in the fixes...kind of like SD buiilding in the stop button lock early in the first revs of the SW upgrades.....everyone is entitled to their opinion, but just because you dont want to be at the bleeding edge because you aren't suited for dealing with this kind of dynamic change, doesnt mean that those that are willing to do so just have money to burn...
as for the argument of selling evreything to pay for it...no I really didnt need to do that for the $$$, I had to do it to stay married, once your married you will understand :P
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But outside of taping, where would a situation like this be acceptable?
Happens every day in the telecom and computer industry.
Wayne
as for the argument of selling evreything to pay for it...no I really didnt need to do that for the $$$, I had to do it to stay married, once your married you will understand :P
;D
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But outside of taping, where would a situation like this be acceptable?
Happens every day in the telecom and computer industry.
It happens in every industry that produces complex, high tech deliverables - and even some that don't. The first gen of hybrid cars? Problems. First gen of the fuel-injected BMW F650 motorcycle? Problems. First gen of JB3s? Problems. First gen of just about any commercial or open source software ever produced? Problems. The list goes on...and on...and on...
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<GRACE FLUFF ON>...maybe they should take a page from Grace....how many times you heard of a bad bug with their equipment, maybe short of a batter light blinking when it shouldn't, and that was purely a calibration problem...easily fixed.
I look at what is going on with the SD product, watched the mini-me have countless problems (bad power cables...or was it bad mini-me causing it to go up in smoke? noise introducing gain knobs... Stripped screws) and then look at Grace. Tight sound, well designed, pratically indestructable and always works....</GRACE FLUFF OFF> ;D
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in talking to grace, it seems they just don't have the necessary technological resources, specifically regarding software, to drive that market. that's why they never came out with a firewire mod for the v3 and why the m902 doesn't have better than usb1.1 which can only handle up to 16/48.
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<GRACE FLUFF ON>... always works....</GRACE FLUFF OFF> ;D
From the 316 to the V2 to the V3, Mike Grace and his crew put us on the reliable bleeding edge.
It was always my understanding about the FireWire mod that it was more of a licencing issue than it was a technological resources problem?
Back to the Maudio recorder, why couldn't we (ts.com) as a group try to put a compact list of features that we'd like at a realistic price point and see if one of these vendors (Maudio, SD, etc.) could produce it?
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Back to the Maudio recorder, why couldn't we (ts.com) as a group try to put a compact list of features that we'd like at a realistic price point and see if one of these vendors (Maudio, SD, etc.) could produce it?
because tapers are not a significant enough buying force for anyone to develop a product. To recoup what they will spend in R&D there are much bigger customer segments they need to worry about....
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3 or more years ago on the old Oade board an engineer from Zaxcom did just that. The discussion of desired features went on forever until it seemed that the only recorder that would even remotely meet our needs had unbelievable pie in the sky features and was probably completely unrealistic. Oddly enough, Zaxcom never did come out with a low cost recorder.
I think with the 722/744 and FR2/PMD671/R4 we've already gotten the high end and medium end 24-bit recorder market taken care of. Roughly equivalent to the HHB portadat and tascam DA-P1 markets covered. What we need is the new D8 -- a cheap, reliable way of writing 1's and 0's at 24 bit. Good meters, good battery life, and perhaps the ability to act as standalone mic pre and A/D, but nothing that anyone expecting high quality sound would expect to use as a standalone. I'm really hoping the Flash Tracker will meet this need, since as far as I can tell, the 24-bit world doesn't really have the equivalent of the D8 yet.
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What about an IPAQ + Compact Flash + PDAudio-CF? For the analog in, you'd need an Echo or VX.
One advantage of this approach is that you can run Linux and aren't tied to a proprietary system. Want to change the meters? Want to automatically lower levels? Hack the code.
[1] I've seen mixed results here among people who have tried this approach - but maybe there are boatloads of people successfully running this setup and I just don't know about it since they're not here on TS.
[2] Not always easy to find someone to hack the code.
[3] It's Core-Sound. (And no, I won't get into why that's a problem for me and am not encouraging others to do so, either.)
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Yep, what Brian said. The D8 was actually a pretty darn reliable way of writing 1's and 0's. From all the reports about the PDAudio I've heard, my impression is that it just doesn't stack up. Plus it's Core-Sound. Plus, to me the PDAudio is more like lap-top recording. I curse Bill Gates' name enough trying to deal with the pc I'm sitting in front of. I want a recorder that I just insert a digi-cable and press record. Months of configuring and testing to see if I can get a reliable recording is not my idea of fun.
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What we need is the new D8 -- a cheap, reliable way of writing 1's and 0's at 24 bit. Good meters, good battery life, and perhaps the ability to act as standalone mic pre and A/D, but nothing that anyone expecting high quality sound would expect to use as a standalone.
What about an IPAQ + Compact Flash + PDAudio-CF? For the analog in, you'd need an Echo or VX.
One advantage of this approach is that you can run Linux and aren't tied to a proprietary system. Want to change the meters? Want to automatically lower levels? Hack the code.
Craig T runs this with an external hard drive at 24 bit and has no problems as far as I know ...
As for me if I wanted to record to a HD I would just get a lappy setup, but I don't as I am all about CF media right now, drooling over this flash recorder, heh, but something will come out in a month or two that will change my drool factor ...
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<GRACE FLUFF ON>...maybe they should take a page from Grace....how many times you heard of a bad bug with their equipment, maybe short of a batter light blinking when it shouldn't, and that was purely a calibration problem...easily fixed.
The first 35 were shipped out with a DC offset problem...
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Craig T runs this with an external hard drive at 24 bit and has no problems as far as I know ...
Maybe Craig will chime in with his experiences. But from what I remember, he is now able to run 24/48 reliably, but can't do 24/96 reliably. And from what he said, this took a lot of testing and configuring and time and new recording s/w, etc, etc, to get to work. Maybe the deal is that now the PDAudio works like a charm right out of the box and it was only the initial releases and initial recording s/w that had problems. But whatever, I've long ago soured on the PDAudio and to me it just is not a D8 replacement, it's laptop recording on a smaller scale. I'm still hoping the flash tracker or some similar product will be out soon that will be much more like a D8 for 24 bits, at least as far as my needs go.
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<GRACE FLUFF ON>...maybe they should take a page from Grace....how many times you heard of a bad bug with their equipment, maybe short of a batter light blinking when it shouldn't, and that was purely a calibration problem...easily fixed.
The first 35 were shipped out with a DC offset problem...
Good lord, do we really need one more thread with the ongoing 722 vs V3 war? ::) This has gotten way old.
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Chris Imburgia (aka Junior aka Focker) is currently running some sort of Ipaq setup. I believe he can reliably record up to 24/88.2 but cannot record 24/96 without errors. this is next to useless for spreading the files because apparently flac cannot deal with 88.2 khz files so they have to be resampled to be spread around.
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<GRACE FLUFF ON>...maybe they should take a page from Grace....how many times you heard of a bad bug with their equipment, maybe short of a batter light blinking when it shouldn't, and that was purely a calibration problem...easily fixed.
The first 35 were shipped out with a DC offset problem...
Good lord, do we really need one more thread with the ongoing 722 vs V3 war? ::) This has gotten way old.
i don't hate the v3 at all. i still own one and like it a lot. i just also happen to like the 722 a lot :)
sue me!
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A requirement for any approach, including the Flash Tracker, is a great analog/AD section.
why?
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Anyone have any idea when the feature set of the Flash Tracker will be CONFIRMED?
or the price
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A requirement for any approach, including the Flash Tracker, is a great analog/AD section.
why?
Yep, I'm with Tim here. I'll keep beating my drum -- I want a 24-bit D8 replacement using solid state or HD. The D8 did not have a great analog/AD section by any means. It was used for lower end recordings as a standalone, a patch deck, and a digital input device from people using high end pres and A/Ds. And because of this, it had a very low price, all things considered. Start getting into a great analog/AD section, and you start getting pricing like a PortaDAT or a 722. The JB3 has a pretty crappy analog/AD section, and I've used it happily for 2 1/2 years.
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Is the Sound Devices 722/744 really anything more than a very well packaged Linux computer with a very good audio section and LCD?
Based on what I can tell about the unit, the "OS" is written in assembly.
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gotcha
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Craig T runs this with an external hard drive at 24 bit and has no problems as far as I know ...
Maybe Craig will chime in with his experiences. But from what I remember, he is now able to run 24/48 reliably, but can't do 24/96 reliably. And from what he said, this took a lot of testing and configuring and time and new recording s/w, etc, etc, to get to work. Maybe the deal is that now the PDAudio works like a charm right out of the box and it was only the initial releases and initial recording s/w that had problems. But whatever, I've long ago soured on the PDAudio and to me it just is not a D8 replacement, it's laptop recording on a smaller scale. I'm still hoping the flash tracker or some similar product will be out soon that will be much more like a D8 for 24 bits, at least as far as my needs go.
I thought he got it to work at 24/96 with the external HD ? I could be wrong though ...
Regardless I am with ya on the hope something comes out ala the D8, only time will tell ...
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Is the Sound Devices 722/744 really anything more than a very well packaged Linux computer with a very good audio section and LCD?
Based on what I can tell about the unit, the "OS" is written in assembly.
I think his analysis of the 722/744 is an over simplification too.
Wayne
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<GRACE FLUFF ON>... always works....</GRACE FLUFF OFF> ;D
From the 316 to the V2 to the V3, Mike Grace and his crew put us on the reliable bleeding edge.
It was always my understanding about the FireWire mod that it was more of a licencing issue than it was a technological resources problem?
Back to the Maudio recorder, why couldn't we (ts.com) as a group try to put a compact list of features that we'd like at a realistic price point and see if one of these vendors (Maudio, SD, etc.) could produce it?
Tried that bud. Noone bit. ASked here, for input, actually, then took that list to a sound engineer bud, and we sent it to some companies after he complied in tech speak. Still haint heard back.
Ray
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I went through about 2 years of headaches with the PDAudio rig, but now it is rock solid at 24/96 writing to an external HD containing a 7200 rpm 40GB drive. I never tried recording to CF or SD media, but it was unreliable even at 24/48 writing to a 5GB pcmcia drive. You should also know I'm using an "ancient" iPaq 3835 (<$100 on ebay now) - the newer ones have more powerful processors and that could make a difference with recording performance.
Craig T runs this with an external hard drive at 24 bit and has no problems as far as I know ...
Maybe Craig will chime in with his experiences. But from what I remember, he is now able to run 24/48 reliably, but can't do 24/96 reliably. And from what he said, this took a lot of testing and configuring and time and new recording s/w, etc, etc, to get to work. Maybe the deal is that now the PDAudio works like a charm right out of the box and it was only the initial releases and initial recording s/w that had problems. But whatever, I've long ago soured on the PDAudio and to me it just is not a D8 replacement, it's laptop recording on a smaller scale. I'm still hoping the flash tracker or some similar product will be out soon that will be much more like a D8 for 24 bits, at least as far as my needs go.
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Thanks for your inputs on this, Craig. Good to know it can reliably do 24/96 now. Still, I have no confidence this is the type of set up for dinosaurs like me who just want to plug in a cable and press record. Probably a great option for people who understand all the workings of the OS and whatnot, or for those who want to learn. But I'd guess that for people like me who don't have the knowledge, patience, or stamina to get a soundcard working right, it is probably isn't the best bet to go with one of the PDAudio dealies.
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Besides reliable 24/96 and some metering we need bit perfect WAV splits at 2GB or less. Also a pre-roll buffer would be nice.
Did I mention a remote? (like the Sony D-x/xxx decks had)
Will it have one input with the 5V? Or two?
Details are welcome since M-Audio support doesn't know nothing.
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Besides reliable 24/96 and some metering we need bit perfect WAV splits at 2GB or less
Or recording in a format that supports files larger than 2gb. Wav64 or SDII extended would be great. ;D
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Besides reliable 24/96 and some metering we need bit perfect WAV splits at 2GB or less
Or recording in a format that supports files larger than 2gb. Wav64 or SDII extended would be great. ;D
That would be a nice solution, too! (but think of the programmers of those devices, using simple CPU's, etc...)
Did I miss any of the Sony Dx/xxx devices' features? Or very desirable 21st century features?
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Besides reliable 24/96 and some metering we need bit perfect WAV splits at 2GB or less
Or recording in a format that supports files larger than 2gb. Wav64 or SDII extended would be great. ;D
what difference does it make as long as the split is clean? With programs like wavelab choking on anything bigger, i just dont see the need
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Besides reliable 24/96 and some metering we need bit perfect WAV splits at 2GB or less
Or recording in a format that supports files larger than 2gb. Wav64 or SDII extended would be great. ;D
the problem with this option is too few programs support those formats
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what difference does it make as long as the split is clean? With programs like wavelab choking on anything bigger, i just dont see the need
One file is better than two? Splitting files is a good idea when you can't get anything else to work, but I think it's pretty obvious that the need for files greater than 2 gigs is getting stronger. Programs (on both sides, mac and win) need to update to allow for these formats.
I think the option of formats on this device would definitely be nice, but my guess is that's not gonna happen. ;)
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there are verw few computers that can handle files in the size of 5-6 GB as would be requred for typical shows...they would absolutely choke on it....
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But why not upgrade the software and let the users catch up? Isn't that better than the users waiting for features that could have been completed long before they actually are?
I mean, I get what you're saying, but I don't think general hardware inefficiencies should stifle software progress, especially when the high end hardware wouldn't have a problem anyway...
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I just dont think you are going to see affordable processors that can deal with files that large for years..I guess it would be a somewhat nice upgrade, but honestly, dealing with multiple files really isnt that incovenient imo
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I disagree, I think what's out there now can handle it (maybe not the P3 many people have under their desks, but I bet the Dual G5's can). I bet the user would be more limited by RAM than the processor...
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I just dont think you are going to see affordable processors that can deal with files that large for years..I guess it would be a somewhat nice upgrade, but honestly, dealing with multiple files really isnt that incovenient imo
i disagree as well. in a few years it might be perfected and widely used. from what i've heard/read, a few studios are already utilizing 32 bit(regular) and 64bit(floating point) files. I think the hardware is there, just expensive right now.
pretty soon super high resolution digital audio is going to be recorded on giant ram sticks capable of handling insane amounts of data.
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I agree it will be available...but not at a price point most will use. I bet if we polled tpaers as a group, you would find that 75% would have machines with what we would consider antiquated processors....
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>>there are verw few computers that can handle files in the size of 5-6 GB as would be requred for typical shows...they would absolutely choke on it....<<
I've played with 6-7 gig files for 24/96 with no problem on a g4 powerbook
it even handled 12 gigs of 24/192 allmans without a problem. i just needed disk space ;)
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>>there are verw few computers that can handle files in the size of 5-6 GB as would be requred for typical shows...they would absolutely choke on it....<<
I've played with 6-7 gig files for 24/96 with no problem on a g4 powerbook
it even handled 12 gigs of 24/192 allmans without a problem. i just needed disk space ;)
thats enough from the apple peanut gallery :P
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just found the thread....looks very promising indeed!!! i was just looking at the flipstart from Vulcan to see when that fucker will ship...but this will be 1/3 the price and MUCHO better(hopefully) than a laptop. ANY word from anyone(frank?) shit..one more thing to keep my mind busy about where to spend my money! :o
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I got on the list at cascade media
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Not sure if this was already covered but does anyone know the estimated retail price...$500 or so?
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Rumor earlier was $400.
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I got on the list at cascade media
same here, and i believe im in the top five if not 2 or 3 on the list, it should be fun when this thing finally
comes out
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wow...this thread has exploded since I last looked at it....
nothing new from M/Audio on this, but I will keep you all updated as I hear anything. We do have a wait list going so email me if you want to get on it. The response to this has been incredible, now all we need is to get our hands on one.
thanks- Frank
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Not to mention a real price. ;D
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I got on the list at cascade media
same here, and i believe im in the top five if not 2 or 3 on the list, it should be fun when this thing finally
comes out
#4 here! ;D
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#4 here! ;D
Wait, I thought I was 4???
<goes to check his email>
HAHA! I'm #3! ;D
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I must be way down on the list - they didn't tell me a number! :-\
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I had to specifically ask. I'm sure if you email Frank he'll let you know, even if you are #86. ;)
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Nice to know there will be plenty of guinea pigs here! ;)
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Nice to know there will be plenty of guinea pigs here! ;)
if they deploy it properly, there wont be any bugs ::)
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You're welcome for the setup! ;D
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Once I see one I will believe it......this small unit can supply Phantom 48V for 4 hours ?
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well... looks like I may just jump on this wagon.
Matt
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i may for stealth..hmm....
Ray
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For those doing the waiting list, do you have to put a deposit down, or are you just putting your name on the list?
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For those doing the waiting list, do you have to put a deposit down, or are you just putting your name on the list?
Nope, just call. ima get one more than likely for stealth stuff or when i cant get so much stuff in. looks like 2 jb3s will be selling this summer. ;)
bout to call ss and ask them about em.
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no deposit at Cascade
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no deposit at Cascade
im about to take the term gearslut to a whole new level. ;D
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looks like 2 jb3s will be selling this summer. ;)
Yeah, I've got 3 I might dispose of if this thing will do what we all hope. I just don't wanna dump the JB3's and have this guy turn into a dud.
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i aint gonna dump mine till the bitter end for sure.
these little fellers have been loyal.
Ray
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i aint gonna dump mine till the bitter end for sure.
these little fellers have been loyal.
Ray
yeah... I'm just now going back to a jb3 from a lappy, but I'm hooked on the 24 bit thing, so I will need something soon. I won't be dumping gear for this thing until I've used it a bit. I'm not crazy about the media. I really like a HD. I'm also hoping for decent adc on this thing. I just bought a v2 and I'm trying to avoid an external adc. Even then I will still probably keep the jb3 for car listening... that sucker is great for trips. Fill it up for the way there, and dump and refil with fresh recordings for the way home... gotta love it!
Matt
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christ, where have i been, i want one of these things badly. This thing has "stealth" written all over it....
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When will we get more specs on this thing?
When will it be available? Q3? ???
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I asked the retailer that has me wait-listed on Thursday and he still hasn't gotten any news about the unit or the release/ship dates.
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So is this the general situation!?
One shows off a new devcie at a trade show.
An inquiring user finds out 'support' does know nothing, dealers know nothing and the users just wait for xx time without knowing if it'll take 2 months, 2 quarters or 2 years for the device to hit the market? Let alone reliable info on specs, etc? :o
It's all so weird.
I'd expect: show off the device, give a fair estimate of delivery time, some usable specs (not just number of inputs but quality of said inputs) and a fair pricing estimate.
Then users would have something to work with.
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I thought someone found a shipping date of July???
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I thought someone found a shipping date of July???
and god knows that date better be met and by god it better work flawlessly right out of the box!
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I thought someone found a shipping date of July???
and god knows that date better be met and by god it better work flawlessly right out of the box!
It will nick. It will SMOKE the 722 too, by God.
;)
Ray
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I thought someone found a shipping date of July???
June
If everything ships on time I will get an m-audio recorder before I could have gotten an R1, which has been out for a few months already
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Does anybody know where an European can purchase this? Can't seem to find anyone that has this available for pre-order...
MoFo2
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Does anybody know where an European can purchase this? Can't seem to find anyone that has this available for pre-order...
MoFo2
dude, im in europe. Im in germany. If you want to order, pm me and well talk. I order stuff for european folks all the time.
Ray
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June
If everything ships on time I will get an m-audio recorder before I could have gotten an R1, which has been out for a few months already
Are you serious? This thing is really supposed to ship in June?
colin
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first page of the thread, 12th message down
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=40409.msg519997#msg519997
now, I'm guessing it's not going to be until at least mid-June but probably later. we're almost to June now and we haven't been given any more info on this unit, I would guess that if they were within a few weeks of releasing they would be giving us all kinds of specs etc.
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I thought someone found a shipping date of July???
and god knows that date better be met and by god it better work flawlessly right out of the box!
Nick have you ever considered working for Sound Devices?
I love the intensity with which you defend them!
Too funny.
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Nick have you ever considered working for Sound Devices?
I love the intensity with which you defend them!
Too funny.
;D not as much defending them as making sure that M-Audio understands what the taper requirements on this board are for devices like these, and by god they better meet them! :P
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well, id rather spend 400 on an unstable device rather than 2400 :P but YMMV
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::) ;D
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+T you focker 8)
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well, id rather spend 400 on an unstable device rather than 2400 :P but YMMV
I'll be sure to let Sound Devices know not to expect your purchase in their quarterly projections
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Quote from: Bean on Yesterday at 08:35:36 PM
well, id rather spend 400 on an unstable device rather than 2400 Tongue but YMMV
I'll be sure to let Sound Devices know not to expect your purchase in their quarterly projections
;D
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Does anybody know where an European can purchase this? Can't seem to find anyone that has this available for pre-order...
MoFo2
Check previous posts in this thread. Looks like Cascade is making a list. Is there a problem buying from a US retailer if you are in Europe?
Cascade isn't taking money up front, just making a list of interested parties.
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Does anybody know where an European can purchase this? Can't seem to find anyone that has this available for pre-order...
MoFo2
Check previous posts in this thread. Looks like Cascade is making a list. Is there a problem buying from a US retailer if you are in Europe?
Cascade isn't taking money up front, just making a list of interested parties.
I'm searching in the Cascade web and don't found info. To send an email to Cascade is the way to subscrive?
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Does anybody know where an European can purchase this? Can't seem to find anyone that has this available for pre-order...
MoFo2
Check previous posts in this thread. Looks like Cascade is making a list. Is there a problem buying from a US retailer if you are in Europe?
Cascade isn't taking money up front, just making a list of interested parties.
I'm searching in the Cascade web and don't found info. To send an email to Cascade is the way to subscrive?
Just send a PM to Frank http://taperssection.com/index.php?action=profile;u=614
Matt
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M-Audio Part number US48010
Shipping to them end of June, but they'll be closed for two weeks, so they'll ship out mid-July. $499 retail, street price $399.
Dealer friend just got this from M-Audio.
Jeff
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nice.
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What's the difference between street and retail price?
Make sure you're friend gives you a detailed report on this guy!
(hoping Cascade gets a bunch of these and I can have it for Lolla the end of July!!!)
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What's the difference between street and retail price?
Make sure you're friend gives you a detailed report on this guy!
(hoping Cascade gets a bunch of these and I can have it for Lolla the end of July!!!)
$100.
No, seriously, retail = manufacturer's suggested retail.
Street = what I'm gunna have to pay for it.
Big issue for me is battery life, powering. I guess I'll be doing the reporting, since I'm top of his list for this item.
Jeff
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Big issue for me is battery life, powering. I guess I'll be doing the reporting, since I'm top of his list for this item.
Jeff
based on the number of people waiting for this product and are on the list, my guess is that you won't be the only one testing out battery options. :)
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M-Audio Part number US48010
Shipping to them end of June, but they'll be closed for two weeks, so they'll ship out mid-July. $499 retail, street price $399.
Dealer friend just got this from M-Audio.
Jeff
Keeping my fingers crossed at number 4 on the informal wait list ...
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based on the number of people waiting for this product and are on the list, my guess is that you won't be the only one testing out battery options.
I'm #3 at Cascade and my JBox should power it right from the get go. ;)
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i may just go the pmd-671 route w/ (2) 4GB flash cards and a couple 30GB OTG drives :), thats a 1500 setback but whatever, the pmd-671 reminds me of a 24-bit DAP1, which is a good thing IMO 8)
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I guess if you're not stealthing that's a great option. ;)
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I guess if you're not stealthing that's a great option. ;)
i will prolly NEVER stealth again, i hate it, its NOT for me :)
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based on the number of people waiting for this product and are on the list, my guess is that you won't be the only one testing out battery options.
I'm #3 at Cascade and my JBox should power it right from the get go. ;)
We must be tied, Frank told me I was #3 too.
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I'm #3 at Cascade and my JBox should power it right from the get go. ;)
We must be tied, Frank told me I was #3 too.
Ohhh, you got served! If you serve him back, it's ON!
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Re: New M-Audio Recorder
« Reply #113 on: April 29, 2005, 10:33:35 AM »
Yeah I am on the waiting list too, #4 !
Re: New M-Audio Recorder
« Reply #179 on: May 11, 2005, 07:59:33 AM »
#4 here!
Re: New M-Audio Recorder
« Reply #223 on: Yesterday at 03:41:07 PM »
Keeping my fingers crossed at number 4 on the informal wait list ...
hmm.. what number are you on the list?
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We must be tied, Frank told me I was #3 too.
Just checked my email again, and he definitely told me #3 as well... :(
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didnt you know, everyone is #3 and #4...he has multiple lists ;)
(not that it matters what number you are, Frank said he was getting more than he had lists spots for anyways...)
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I'm #27, not #3 or #4. :'(
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(not that it matters what number you are, Frank said he was getting more than he had lists spots for anyways...)
I'm more concerned that I was dropped from the list or something. I just sent an email to Frank though, just to be sure I'm still on there somewhere. ;)
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Re: New M-Audio Recorder
« Reply #113 on: April 29, 2005, 10:33:35 AM »
Yeah I am on the waiting list too, #4 !
Re: New M-Audio Recorder
« Reply #179 on: May 11, 2005, 07:59:33 AM »
#4 here!
Re: New M-Audio Recorder
« Reply #223 on: Yesterday at 03:41:07 PM »
Keeping my fingers crossed at number 4 on the informal wait list ...
hmm.. what number are you on the list?
Ever the wise ass EB 8)
Oh yeah I'm number four on the list in case you forgot ...
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It's up on the Sound Professionals site, taking orders:
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/MM-FLASHTRACKER
Jeff
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thats exciting...still no new info tho :(
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am I the only one who finds it concerning that the only picture that appears to exist of this thing is one taken from a tradeshow of a box that likely was a non working prototype?
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am I the only one who finds it concerning that the only picture that appears to exist of this thing is one taken from a tradeshow of a box that likely was a non working prototype?
Yep, I think you are. ;)
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am I the only one who finds it concerning that the only picture that appears to exist of this thing is one taken from a tradeshow of a box that likely was a non working prototype?
Yep, I think you are. ;)
ok :P
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am I the only one who finds it concerning that the only picture that appears to exist of this thing is one taken from a tradeshow of a box that likely was a non working prototype?
Yep, I think you are. ;)
ok :P
I'm with ya there Nick. I was thinking the same thing. It should be interesting to see the real deal. Sounds like we will be doing just that in the next few weeks though!
Matt
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am I the only one who finds it concerning that the only picture that appears to exist of this thing is one taken from a tradeshow of a box that likely was a non working prototype?
Nick I am thinking along the lines of you they put that out as a feeler to see what kind of response they would get ..I would imagine this fall sometime if were lucky ....
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Does anyone know what types of CF cards / microdirves will support 24/96? I'm assuming it'll need to be 80X to sustain @ 24/96. Is this accurate?
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Does anyone know what types of CF cards / microdirves will support 24/96? I'm assuming it'll need to be 80X to sustain @ 24/96. Is this accurate?
24/96 is about 550k/sec (if my math is right), which means cards would only need to be 4x (1x = 150k/sec) to write 24/96.
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well, id rather spend 400 on an unstable device rather than 2400 :P but YMMV
i've run 24/192 and 24/176.4 and it's been extremely stable for me ;D
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well, id rather spend 400 on an unstable device rather than 2400 :P but YMMV
i've run 24/192 and 24/176.4 and it's been extremely stable for me ;D
ima just going to buy em all and sell which ones dont work.
:D :P
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Does anyone know what types of CF cards / microdirves will support 24/96? I'm assuming it'll need to be 80X to sustain @ 24/96. Is this accurate?
Maybe a better question: will this box make it worth to record in 24 bits or higher samplerates?
I don't want to cause doubt, there haven't been specs posted yet, but if the SNR is little over 96 dB, or if the pre-amp stage is soso, the quality gained by going at 24 bits and/or higher samplerates is very small.
The big question is: what kind of recording quality (ADC, pre, etc) can M-Audio offer for $400? We know their other products, will this new one be on par?
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Does anyone know what types of CF cards / microdirves will support 24/96? I'm assuming it'll need to be 80X to sustain @ 24/96. Is this accurate?
Maybe a better question: will this box make it worth to record in 24 bits or higher samplerates?
I don't want to cause doubt, there haven't been specs posted yet, but if the SNR is little over 96 dB, or if the pre-amp stage is soso, the quality gained by going at 24 bits and/or higher samplerates is very small.
The big question is: what kind of recording quality (ADC, pre, etc) can M-Audio offer for $400? We know their other products, will this new one be on par?
Who cares, it has a digital input. ;)
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Does anyone know what types of CF cards / microdirves will support 24/96? I'm assuming it'll need to be 80X to sustain @ 24/96. Is this accurate?
Maybe a better question: will this box make it worth to record in 24 bits or higher samplerates?
I don't want to cause doubt, there haven't been specs posted yet, but if the SNR is little over 96 dB, or if the pre-amp stage is soso, the quality gained by going at 24 bits and/or higher samplerates is very small.
The big question is: what kind of recording quality (ADC, pre, etc) can M-Audio offer for $400? We know their other products, will this new one be on par?
good question.
Ray
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Does anyone know what types of CF cards / microdirves will support 24/96? I'm assuming it'll need to be 80X to sustain @ 24/96. Is this accurate?
Maybe a better question: will this box make it worth to record in 24 bits or higher samplerates?
I don't want to cause doubt, there haven't been specs posted yet, but if the SNR is little over 96 dB, or if the pre-amp stage is soso, the quality gained by going at 24 bits and/or higher samplerates is very small.
The big question is: what kind of recording quality (ADC, pre, etc) can M-Audio offer for $400? We know their other products, will this new one be on par?
Who cares, it has a digital input. ;)
Ding ding !
My only real concern at this point is the digi input, hopefully it won't resample like the R-4 reportedly does...
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I have heard that the M-Audio Transit and their other recent devices (410, I think) do not resample. So I'll take that as a sign that they won't make that mistake.
I havent heard of ANY M-Audio devices resampling
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The only bad thing I've heard about any of their products was about the CO2.
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Does anyone know what types of CF cards / microdirves will support 24/96? I'm assuming it'll need to be 80X to sustain @ 24/96. Is this accurate?
Maybe a better question: will this box make it worth to record in 24 bits or higher samplerates?
I don't want to cause doubt, there haven't been specs posted yet, but if the SNR is little over 96 dB, or if the pre-amp stage is soso, the quality gained by going at 24 bits and/or higher samplerates is very small.
The big question is: what kind of recording quality (ADC, pre, etc) can M-Audio offer for $400? We know their other products, will this new one be on par?
Who cares, it has a digital input. ;)
That's no solution for me: I don't want to carry another device besides the fact that there's no nice small ADC with Lemo connectors.
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fwiw...
the OOP issues w/the R4 were with that particular unit, AFAIK. I spoke w/Edirol yesterday about it. they said it was probalby just a soldering miss-hap. it happens...
the R4 resamples on input, thats a fact.
but, who cares?
garrunteed, 99% of us have gear that resamples it on input (like the DAC in your CD player, or your stand alone DAC). My sony does it. My Philips deck did it. Most new CD/DVD players do it. Its marketed as a "high end" feature on many products. While its marketed as an "upsample", which it is doing.....it is resamping the original stream none the less.
yet..when your recorder does it..its taboo.
I understand its not desirable, but the reality is...you dont know or cant hear what your may or maynot be missing.
is this saying that resampling on input definately fucks up a nice incoming stable signal?
I dont know for sure. my guess would be no.
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garrunteed, 99% of us have gear that resamples it on input (like the DAC in your CD player, or your stand alone DAC). My sony does it. My Philips deck did it. Most new CD/DVD players do it. Its marketed as a "high end" feature on many products. While its marketed as an "upsample", which it is doing.....it is resamping the original stream none the less.
yet..when your recorder does it..its taboo.
I understand its not desirable, but the reality is...you dont know or cant hear what your may or maynot be missing.
This is true if I remember my linear systems class. Although I don't think it's called resampling but oversampling. Digital signals since they're discrete suffer from an aliasing problem. This requires DAC's to include a low pass filter to remove the aliased portion from the analog output. Oversampling moves the aliased single out further into the spectrum and allows the filter designers more room in the spectrum to design this low pass filter.
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I havent heard of ANY M-Audio devices resampling
Exactly.
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Does anyone know if this device has hit the market yet, and if so, can anyone share their experiences using it?
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Does anyone know if this device has hit the market yet, and if so, can anyone share their experiences using it?
starting reading this thread from page 1 and then read this thread (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=48419.0) next starting from page 1.
that should about catch you up :)
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Does anyone know if this device has hit the market yet, and if so, can anyone share their experiences using it?
the device hasnt hit the market yet bud...didnt you read the thread???
not trying to be a smartass...but thats all theyve talked about is how they cant wait till it gets here....
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smart ass!
;-)
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smart ass!
;-)
:P
i was trying to be PC ! ;D
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Does anyone know if this device has hit the market yet, and if so, can anyone share their experiences using it?
http://www.taperssection.com/reference/audio-video/Posting.swf
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smart ass!
;-)
:P
i was trying to be PC ! ;D
smart butt! ha! :P
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smart ass!
;-)
:P
i was trying to be PC ! ;D
smart butt! ha! :P
Im sorry, I shouldve said, hey fucker. why dont you fuggin read the *(@#(@*# threads before you post your idiotic questions.Lazy Bastard. What are you a *(*@(#* retard???If you dont start reading before you post, I will beat the brakes off your sorry green ass. Now get the hell out of this thread and go fuck yourself. ;D ;D
would that be more appropriate??lmao!!IM just kidding of course..Im a pussycat. :P ;D :)