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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: OFOTD on July 05, 2005, 04:36:59 PM
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Since we have several threads going on this product that have all ended up in skepticism I figured i'd start a new thread with pictures of what seems to be shaping up.
(http://macmusic.org/img/SQL/news/3405-img.jpg?1120594708)
Here is the info that went with the picture:
M-Audio unveiled the MicroTrack 24/96. This very compact digital recorder works at 24-bit/96 KHz and records in Wav or mp3 files on CompactFlash cards or microdrives. The MicroTrack features a 1/4 jack input, a micro preamp (fantom powered), a jack output, digital in/out (S/PDIF), a RCA output and a headphones output. MicroTrack comes with Lithium ion battery. User can charge battery on a computer via USB port.
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Too many threads, if you ask me. Details are coming out of Europe right now. Sounds like it will be 1 1/4" in and 1 1/4" out. Others read it the same way?
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Too many threads, if you ask me. Details are coming out of Europe right now. Sounds like it will be 1 1/4" in and 1 1/4" out. Others read it the same way?
well i clearly see in the photo RCA outs. I'm excited regardless
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There was another thread started about an hour ago or so that has another pic showing the opposite side from the RCA's:
(http://www.hififusion.com/_designers/tyler/flashtracker2.jpg)
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Since I'm in love with the Flash Tracker, I've been keeping up with all of the new info coming out. One of the most interesting updates was in French.......I translated in on line. It cracked me up but does provide some additional info.
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http://fr.audiofanzine.com/news/affnews,id_news,66040.html
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MicroTrack 24/96
Anxious to answer the sympathetic nerve R-1 d' Edirol,
Mr.-Audio presents MicroTrack 24/96, a mobile numerical recorder 2
tracks able to store the audio with formats WAV or MP3 on CompactFlash
charts or microphone drives.
Conceived for the musical recordings, this recorder is suceptible to
be used in other sectors (journalism, education...). The recording can
be done via the symmetrical entry line in standard jack, or via the
built-in micro préampli (with phantom food). In more of the
symmetrical exit in jack, MicroTrack 24/96 has a practical
input/output S/PDIF for numerical connections and the transfers.
Lastly, the apparatus is provided with an exit helmet to the format
mini jack, and with an exit to the format PHONOGRAPH (taken RCA).
The selected supports are the charts Compact Flash (as for the
numerical cameras) or the microphone drives (mini hard disks). The
storage capacity thus depends directly on the selected support. For
example, a chart Compact Flash of 1 Giga makes it possible to
record approximately 100 minutes of audio of quality CD (with stereo
format WAV, in 16 bits/44.1 Khz). The same capacity can still allow
the 1500 minutes storage of stereo MP3 96 kbps. The user will
consequently choose to choose such or such support, and to be equipped
with various mediae according to his needs.
MicroTrack 24/96 can record individual files as many the storage
capacity allows it. A connection USB makes it possible to see the
apparatus, since MAC or a PC, like media of standard storage. It is
thus possible to transfer the files from simple a glisser/déposer.
MicroTrack is delivered with the software Audacity (Mac and PC) which
makes it possible to publish the recorded files and to convert them if
need be.
Will be able to finish that the food is provided by piles long lasted
for lithium ion, with approximately a 8 hours capacity (or 3 hours
with the phantom food), and that it is reloaded at the time of a
connection with a computer via port USB (or via an optional external
food).
Was no final price still announced but it is a question that
MicroTrack 24/96 is marketed around the 599? Including all taxes.
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Saw that one too! Love the "phantom food"
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Since I'm in love with the Flash Tracker, I've been keeping up with all of the new info coming out. One of the most interesting updates was in French.......I translated in on line. It cracked me up but does provide some additional info.
Will be able to finish that the food is provided by piles long lasted
for lithium ion, with approximately a 8 hours capacity (or 3 hours
with the phantom food), and that it is reloaded at the time of a
connection with a computer via port USB (or via an optional external
food).
Why would phantom power cut the record time so drastically?
Jeff
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There was another thread started about an hour ago or so that has another pic showing the opposite side from the RCA's:
(http://www.hififusion.com/_designers/tyler/flashtracker2.jpg)
I saw that, but that would make those the ins and the RCA's the outs correct?
btw I love the Phantom food comment.
and we get a whole other device to figure out how to power in the field!
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looks dam good so far.
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Since I'm in love with the Flash Tracker, I've been keeping up with all of the new info coming out. One of the most interesting updates was in French.......I translated in on line. It cracked me up but does provide some additional info.
Will be able to finish that the food is provided by piles long lasted
for lithium ion, with approximately a 8 hours capacity (or 3 hours
with the phantom food), and that it is reloaded at the time of a
connection with a computer via port USB (or via an optional external
food).
Why would phantom power cut the record time so drastically?
Jeff
phantom power requires stepping up voltage to 48 v - and different mic have different current draws - so the record time is probably high variable depending on the mics probably 2-6 hours... i will still use my V3 when i get one, so that is not too much a concern of mine.
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I saw that, but that would make those the ins and the RCA's the outs correct?
btw I love the Phantom food comment.
and we get a whole other device to figure out how to power in the field!
I think we're all pretty confident in saying the RCA's are out. That's been a constant since the beginning and what the first picture shows as well.
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phantom food (http://www.phantomania.net/phanfdpr.htm)
I've got a MicroTrack on order and I'm stocking up on Pop Tarts. Thanks!
Jeff
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Hey All,
I found this link to an online store that says the microtrack will arrive in mid to late august. Their selling price is listed at $399.00
Check out the link! http://www.smalldog.com/product/35375
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Nothing against Brian's French, but here's a quick and dirty translation from me:
MicroTrack 24/96
Anxious to respond to the user-friendly R-1 from Edirol, M-Audio presents the MicroTrack 24/96, a portable 2-track digital recorder capable of storing WAV or MP3-format recordings on CompactFlash
cards or micro drives.
Designed with musical recordings in mind, this recorder will no doubt be used in other areas as well (journalism, education...). The recording can be done via the standard stereo line in, or via the built-in pre-amp (with phantom power). In addition to the stereo line out, MicroTrack 24/96 has a useful S/PDIF input/output for digital inputs and transfers. Finally, the device has a stereo mini headphone mini jack, and phono outs through RCA connectors.
The device supports both Compact Flash (which many digital cameras use) and micro drives (miniature hard disks). The storage capacity thus depends directly on the choice of media. For example, a 1GB Compact Flash card allows CD-quality audio recording (stereo WAV, in 16 bits/44.1 Khz) for approximately 100 minutes. The same size card can also give 1500 minutes of stereo MP3 at 96 kbps. The user will, as a result, decide between one media or another according to his needs.
MicroTrack 24/96 can record as many individual files as the storage capacity will allow. A USB connection makes it possible to see the apparatus from either a Mac or a PC, like media of standard storage. It is thus possible to transfer the files with an easy drag and drop. The MicroTrack ships with the Audacity software (for Mac and PC) which makes it possible to edit the recorded files and to convert them if need be.
You may also wish to know that the power is provided by long-lasting lithium ion batteries, with approximately 8 hours of life (or 3 hours with phantom power on), and that they recharge when connected to a computer via the USB port (or via an optional external plug).
No final price has been announced yet, but rumor is that the MicroTrack 24/96 will be advertised for around 599 Euros, including tax.
So by the translation, there's a mini line out jack AND a mini headphone jack in addition to the RCA outs and the S/PDIF I/O. Still no measurement on the TRS jacks but I have to assume they're 1/4 now that we know the jacks on the top of the unit are minis. Very cool that it'll ship with Audacity, and that it'll be Mac AND PC compatible, though hopefully the CF usage will make platform pointless...
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NICE! getting really excited for this one!
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Ok lets get down to the aplication of this. So I want to use this units phantom pwr. to light up my mics but I want to use a external pre. how is this going to work as far as cabling goes is it possible or will we be limited to using the internal preamp when using the internal phantom?
Brad
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if using an external pre, id guess you would have to pull the power from the external pre, the tracker will just be used as an a/d at that point
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Thats what I thought I guess we'll have to wait to hear the quality of the internal pre before we worry about plugging to much shit into it.
Brad
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v3>m-audio flash tracker via 24/48 ;D the batteries should be plentiful if im not using any phantom or a pre/a/d
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NICE! getting really excited for this one!
Hells yeah Bean !
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Even I want one.. Someone buy this poor grad student an M-Audio Flash Tracker.....
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Nothing against Brian's French, but here's a quick and dirty translation from me:
MicroTrack 24/96
Anxious to respond to the user-friendly R-1 from Edirol, M-Audio presents the MicroTrack 24/96, a portable 2-track digital recorder capable of storing WAV or MP3-format recordings on CompactFlash
cards or micro drives.
Designed with musical recordings in mind, this recorder will no doubt be used in other areas as well (journalism, education...). The recording can be done via the standard stereo line in, or via the built-in pre-amp (with phantom power). In addition to the stereo line out, MicroTrack 24/96 has a useful S/PDIF input/output for digital inputs and transfers. Finally, the device has a stereo mini headphone mini jack, and phono outs through RCA connectors.
The device supports both Compact Flash (which many digital cameras use) and micro drives (miniature hard disks). The storage capacity thus depends directly on the choice of media. For example, a 1GB Compact Flash card allows CD-quality audio recording (stereo WAV, in 16 bits/44.1 Khz) for approximately 100 minutes. The same size card can also give 1500 minutes of stereo MP3 at 96 kbps. The user will, as a result, decide between one media or another according to his needs.
MicroTrack 24/96 can record as many individual files as the storage capacity will allow. A USB connection makes it possible to see the apparatus from either a Mac or a PC, like media of standard storage. It is thus possible to transfer the files with an easy drag and drop. The MicroTrack ships with the Audacity software (for Mac and PC) which makes it possible to edit the recorded files and to convert them if need be.
You may also wish to know that the power is provided by long-lasting lithium ion batteries, with approximately 8 hours of life (or 3 hours with phantom power on), and that they recharge when connected to a computer via the USB port (or via an optional external plug).
No final price has been announced yet, but rumor is that the MicroTrack 24/96 will be advertised for around 599 Euros, including tax.
So by the translation, there's a mini line out jack AND a mini headphone jack in addition to the RCA outs and the S/PDIF I/O. Still no measurement on the TRS jacks but I have to assume they're 1/4 now that we know the jacks on the top of the unit are minis. Very cool that it'll ship with Audacity, and that it'll be Mac AND PC compatible, though hopefully the CF usage will make platform pointless...
Don't playa hate! Actually the internet translated that bitch for me.....I took German back in school!
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So there is no stereo, single connector 1/4" or 1/8" input on the device? :o
What about specs like SNR, impedance, etc?
We do get a wall-wart?
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Even I want one.. Someone buy this poor grad student an M-Audio Flash Tracker.....
how about i just sell you another JB3 instead :D
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I got 2 of those already, was thinking about a trade-in of sorts. :P
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So there is no stereo, single connector 1/4" or 1/8" input on the device? :o
Reread the translation from Dave. Second paragraph.
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So there is no stereo, single connector 1/4" or 1/8" input on the device? :o
Reread the translation from Dave. Second paragraph.
'Standard stereo line in'?
I.e.: consumer level line in on a stereo mini-jack terminated in 47K or so? (like on a Sony DAT?)
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So there is no stereo, single connector 1/4" or 1/8" input on the device? :o
Reread the translation from Dave. Second paragraph.
'Standard stereo line in'?
I.e.: consumer level line in on a stereo mini-jack terminated in 47K or so? (like on a Sony DAT?)
I think the concensus has been it will be a 1/4" line in, not mini. It will also have a mini in...
So by the translation, there's a mini line out jack AND a mini headphone jack in addition to the RCA outs and the S/PDIF I/O. Still no measurement on the TRS jacks but I have to assume they're 1/4 now that we know the jacks on the top of the unit are minis. Very cool that it'll ship with Audacity, and that it'll be Mac AND PC compatible, though hopefully the CF usage will make platform pointless...
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cant wait for this thing to finally hit the streets... should be a great replacement for my lappy and dat.
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I think the concensus has been it will be a 1/4" line in, not mini. It will also have a mini in...
So by the translation, there's a mini line out jack AND a mini headphone jack in addition to the RCA outs and the S/PDIF I/O. Still no measurement on the TRS jacks but I have to assume they're 1/4 now that we know the jacks on the top of the unit are minis. Very cool that it'll ship with Audacity, and that it'll be Mac AND PC compatible, though hopefully the CF usage will make platform pointless...
Actually, look at the picture that shows the top of the unit. There are what looks like two 1/4" connectors and two 1/8" connectors. Going by the text on the first page of this thread:
The MicroTrack features a 1/4 jack input, a micro preamp (fantom powered), a jack output, digital in/out (S/PDIF), a RCA output and a headphones output. MicroTrack comes with Lithium ion battery. User can charge battery on a computer via USB port.
It looks like the 1/4" connectors are called "jacks" in that description. So there's the "1/4 jack input" and the "jack output". One of the 1/8" connectors is a headphone out according to the French article, but it makes no mention of what the other connector is. Maybe it's not even a 1/8" jack, but a power jack instead - the French article mentions the possibility of an external power source other than the USB. We still haven't seen the back or the right side of this thing so far, so maybe the power jack is there, but who knows...
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Wasn't there mention at one point about an 1/8" in to supply 5v power to electret mics? That's my bet on the second 1/8th. My other bet is the plug in is located on the right side, batter access in the rear.... maybe....
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On what side is the CF slot?
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On what side is the CF slot?
Perhaps the side we haven't seen yet?
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FWIW, I'm estimating the unit is about 3x5".
So who makes a nice compact 1/4" Right Angle TRS that will fit that tight looking spacing? The Switchcraft RAs look too bulky. The body on a normal straight TRS is Long. I like to make my own cables, so I want to start sourcing..
I wonder if the TRS and miniplug pre-amp characteristics, gain, etc, will be similar? What about all of us running 9volt mics with miniplugs? I currently run my 4061's off of a Sound pros 9v Bbox. Can you just plug the bbox output into the 5v miniplug input and not worry about the v5?
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On what side is the CF slot?
Perhaps the side we haven't seen yet?
I'd bet on the back - maybe the thing loads CF like a Game Boy cartridge...
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just put my name on the waiting list over at cascade....
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has anyone else noticed the differences in the name on the product, in one photo it says flash tracker, in the other it says micro tracker. just an observation...
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Flash is the original name on the prototype. Micro is the official name.
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Can you just plug the bbox output into the 5v miniplug input and not worry about the v5?
Depending on how the bbox is built I suspect a blocking capacitor is enough to protect it.
I also want to use the 5V (if it is there) but cannot find a way to connect a 2 way (per channel) input to a 3 way connected mic (in my case).
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This site has a bit more detail, though mostly what has been quoted already. In French as well, beware the "phantom food".
http://www.mixexperience.com/product_info.php/cPath/23_51/products_id/1141
Gives an M-Audio name, Adam Castillo Director of Marketing, who seems to know the product, unlike the US reps.
Jeff
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Looks like the European version at least will come with a 32 MB card (even worse than the R1), and an electret microphone (it has plug-in power as well as phantom food).
Jeff
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I've been noticing they are making a point to say that it can be recharged via a USB port. Does that make others think the battery may not be changeable and that the USB port is the only option, or am I reading too much into it?
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I've been noticing they are making a point to say that it can be recharged via a USB port. Does that make others think the battery may not be changeable and that the USB port is the only option, or am I reading too much into it?
No, they say:
"Alimentation via le port USB, batterie lithium-ion rechargeable (incluse) ou bloc d'alimentation en option"
Which means there is an optional wall wart, and:
"L’alimentation se recharge lors d’une connexion avec un ordinateur via le port USB (ou bien via une alimentation externe optionnelle)."
Which means that it will charge the battery.
The first quote above also says that the lithium ion battery is included, maybe this means that removeable and not built-in, this would be ideal if you could carry a spare.
Jeff
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Agreed Jeff. I went to the English version of that site, and it had much less info than the French. It only mentioned charging via USB. Thanks for the translation.
Comment on location of CF slot. Dave, you suggested the possibility of a gameboy like loading. Although not clear, I think the latest pictures of the top side would point away from that. I'm thinking it may be on the side no one has seen yet. Just wish M-Audio would put something on their site instead of letting every other gadget site make assumptions.
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Yeah, I was just thinking on the back itself - Gameboy may have been a bad example, since there's an actual gap in the top of the back for that, but I was thinking it might be more of a "bay" than a "slot", for lack of a better word. Like laptop memory, where you open it up and slide it in rather than just having a little slit for the card. Dammit, we need more *@&^#$ pictures! :)
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Dave, are you looking seriously at these guys? Just curious.
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At getting one of these? Yeah, I'm considering it. Been running the same D8 since 1997...I tried a friend's JB3 for a few shows in April/May and it sold me!
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I'm impressed. I never thought you'd move away from DAT. Very nice.
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it is definitely possible to recharge via usb without connecting to a pc...just fyi. i have a little dell pocket dj mp3 player that works that way.
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it is definitely possible to recharge via usb without connecting to a pc...just fyi. i have a little dell pocket dj mp3 player that works that way.
Like the Arcgos Gmini 120 that comes with some sort of plug to connect a wall wart to the USB?
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Ipods have a plug box with a firewire end on it so I would assume you could do something similar with USB 2.0 to power the unit.
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Since we have several threads going on this product that have all ended up in skepticism I figured i'd start a new thread with pictures of what seems to be shaping up.
(http://macmusic.org/img/SQL/news/3405-img.jpg?1120594708)
Here is the info that went with the picture:
M-Audio unveiled the MicroTrack 24/96. This very compact digital recorder works at 24-bit/96 KHz and records in Wav or mp3 files on CompactFlash cards or microdrives. The MicroTrack features a 1/4 jack input, a micro preamp (fantom powered), a jack output, digital in/out (S/PDIF), a RCA output and a headphones output. MicroTrack comes with Lithium ion battery. User can charge battery on a computer via USB port.
:o look very nice!
Anxious of listen any experience of the firsts privileged owners of this jewel
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I wonder what the case will be made of. I hope magnesium and not jb3 plastic
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I want one, I want one, I want one
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I want one, I want one, I want one
;D me too
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I wonder what the case will be made of. I hope magnesium and not jb3 plastic
Looks like grey plastic, maybe metalized plastic.
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I wonder what the case will be made of. I hope magnesium and not jb3 plastic
Looks like grey plastic, maybe metalized plastic.
The less metal there is, the less likely it is to go off during security sweeps...
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The less metal there is, the less likely it is to go off during security sweeps...
:coolguy:
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i will have one ;D
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Yeah yeah, rub it in cocksucker... us poor fucks will have to wait another 4 years.
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hi,
i'm dreaming .... ;)
does that makes sense?
M-Audio Flash Tracker - DPA DAD 6019 (microdot to mini jack) - dpa 4061
that would be a nice rig ...
regards
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That plug does only one microdot to mini-jack? ???
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There was another thread started about an hour ago or so that has another pic showing the opposite side from the RCA's:
(http://www.hififusion.com/_designers/tyler/flashtracker2.jpg)
aren't that 2 mini jacks (l/r)?
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There was another thread started about an hour ago or so that has another pic showing the opposite side from the RCA's:
(http://www.hififusion.com/_designers/tyler/flashtracker2.jpg)
aren't that 2 mini jacks (l/r)?
Could be but where is my headphone jack then?
And my stereo line in?
The exact layout of the connections is not yet known...
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the flash tracker almost makes me regret ordering my 722 on Friday...almost. ;)
-sam
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just put my name on the waiting list over at cascade....
whats that make you Simp, #896?
:P
Ray
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just put my name on the waiting list over at cascade....
whats that make you Simp, #896?
:P
Ray
no worries for him, Karl will sell him his place in line :D
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Frank says he'll get enough in his first shipment to more than cover the waitlist anyway. I'm getting very excited about this one! ;)
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Frank says he'll get enough in his first shipment to more than cover the waitlist anyway. I'm getting very excited about this one! ;)
yup, and i'm only in the 20's he says....
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i may get put on the list!
is cascade the place to go ???
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Definitely. PM sent buddy. ;)
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Definitely. PM sent buddy. ;)
+T bud!
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In this weeks Popular Science or Popular Mechanics there is a short mention of the "Micro Track".
A short article talking about the Edirol R-1 and the micro track, "To be out soon".
colin
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In this weeks Popular Science or Popular Mechanics there is a short mention of the "Micro Track".
A short article talking about the Edirol R-1 and the micro track, "To be out soon".
Oh man, I hope this thing isn't like the flying car!
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It'll be out before the end of the month. Can't say the same about the flying car. ;)
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anyone know if this thing has:
1) an input level control
2) level monitor
it must - but just trying to confirm before i pay the deposit.
thanks
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anyone know if this thing has:
1) an input level control
2) level monitor
it must - but just trying to confirm before i pay the deposit.
thanks
(http://macmusic.org/img/SQL/news/3405-img.jpg?1120594708)
The two long buttons of the left appear to be the level controls. Also looks like it shows the levels on the top of the lcd.
This looks like the thing I've been waiting for. I stealth quite a bit (and will stealth more if this does what it looks like it can do), so I'm looking forward to the perfect 24bit stealthing recorder. I will have to start looking into the 4061's too! It better have a hold button on it!
That being said, I'm waiting for some of you guys to be the guinea pigs!! Thanks.
MIKE B
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It better have a hold button on it!
Indeed, very important!
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If this is THE thing, i am gonna record all shows in my town!! ;D
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anyone know if this thing has:
1) an input level control
2) level monitor
it must - but just trying to confirm before i pay the deposit.
thanks
what deposit? which retailer is asking for a deposit?
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Cascade is taking $50 deposits now and will charge the rest when it ships.
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Cascade is taking $50 deposits now and will charge the rest when it ships.
Frank, if this is the case, would I have received an email requesting a deposit? Per our correspondance, I am on the list, yes?
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I'm sure emailing Frank will clear it up.
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(http://macmusic.org/img/SQL/news/3405-img.jpg?1120594708)
The two long buttons of the left appear to be the level controls. Also looks like it shows the levels on the top of the lcd.
Not only that, but there appear to be LEDs above and below the level controls...I'm hoping they function like the ones on the V2, the -14 and +16dB lights. Oh, and that they're not level OUT controls. :P
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sorry if this is a repeated question.
but how would one feed this a digital signal. the spidf conection appears to be an out because its next to the rca outputs. are we trusting the ADC on this to be very good?
glad there are guinea pigs onboard,
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Everything that has been written about this unit, including numerous postings on this board, have stated the SPIDF as an input.
Edit:
Some sites even saying it's an in/out.
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Hey All,
I found this link to an online store that says the microtrack will arrive in mid to late august. Their selling price is listed at $399.00
Check out the link! http://www.smalldog.com/product/35375
Here is the smalldog photo blowed-up in Microsoft photo editor, sorry if its blurry, but this machine looks different...
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Not only that, but there appear to be LEDs above and below the level controls...I'm hoping they function like the ones on the V2, the -14 and +16dB lights. Oh, and that they're not level OUT controls. :P
I wouldn't have thought twice about this, unless you said it dave, but according to the smalldog site, the RCA's have level control. Hopefully that's just another button on the side or something. ;)
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I wouldn't have thought twice about this, unless you said it dave, but according to the smalldog site, the RCA's have level control. Hopefully that's just another button on the side or something.
They could also be assignable to either the inputs or the outputs. Guess we wont know until M-Audio tells us or someone gets to play with one. ;)
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I wouldn't have thought twice about this, unless you said it dave, but according to the smalldog site, the RCA's have level control. Hopefully that's just another button on the side or something.
They could also be assignable to either the inputs or the outputs. Guess we wont know until M-Audio tells us or someone gets to play with one. ;)
Smalldog sez: "Inputs A and B have mini faders for input level with 3 segment LED indicators for input and peak. Green, yellow and red."
That would seem to imply that the LED's seen on the front of the device are the level controls. I can't imagine that a device this small has SEPARATE controls for the left AND right RCA outs. It just doesn't make sense - what's the point?
The image that accompanies the listing on smalldog is interesting in that it can be manipulated - try this link instead, and fiddle around with the "height" and "width" attributes in the URL below if you want to make it bigger/smaller.
http://images.smalldog.com/resize.php?file=/hw/maudio_microtrackrecorder.jpg&height=700&width=1000
It does look like a completely different machine, though it doesn't look like a photo, almost like a concept drawing.
That said, the CF slot appears to be on one side, not sure what's above it. The other side looks like a volume knob at the top, maybe a mic/line switch below it and two things below that, not sure what they are. The front looks like independent L/R sliders with the triple LEDs next to them, with an additional slider on the right - perhaps that's the RCA out level control? Top looks like a power jack, a mini jack and two 1/4" TRS jacks, bottom must be two RCA's and the S/PDIF. Though maybe the power jack is next to the RCA's and the S/PDIF is on top next to the mini jack? I also see four LEDs at the top of the unit - three green and one red...that to me means they're all inputs... Maybe the red/green LEDs indicate whether they're active or in use? That almost makes me think the power jack is on the bottom.
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I wouldn't have thought twice about this, unless you said it dave, but according to the smalldog site, the RCA's have level control. Hopefully that's just another button on the side or something.
They could also be assignable to either the inputs or the outputs. Guess we wont know until M-Audio tells us or someone gets to play with one. ;)
Smalldog sez: "Inputs A and B have mini faders for input level with 3 segment LED indicators for input and peak. Green, yellow and red."
That would seem to imply that the LED's seen on the front of the device are the level controls. I can't imagine that a device this small has SEPARATE controls for the left AND right RCA outs. It just doesn't make sense - what's the point?
The image that accompanies the listing on smalldog is interesting in that it can be manipulated - try this link instead, and fiddle around with the "height" and "width" attributes in the URL below if you want to make it bigger/smaller.
http://images.smalldog.com/resize.php?file=/hw/maudio_microtrackrecorder.jpg&height=700&width=1000
It does look like a completely different machine, though it doesn't look like a photo, almost like a concept drawing.
That said, the CF slot appears to be on one side, not sure what's above it. The other side looks like a volume knob at the top, maybe a mic/line switch below it and two things below that, not sure what they are. The front looks like independent L/R sliders with the triple LEDs next to them, with an additional slider on the right - perhaps that's the RCA out level control? Top looks like a power jack, a mini jack and two 1/4" TRS jacks, bottom must be two RCA's and the S/PDIF. Though maybe the power jack is next to the RCA's and the S/PDIF is on top next to the mini jack? I also see four LEDs at the top of the unit - three green and one red...that to me means they're all inputs... Maybe the red/green LEDs indicate whether they're active or in use? That almost makes me think the power jack is on the bottom.
I bet its a concept drawing... The actual pic of the unit says the new name on it. I highly doubt its just a pre-production unit. Faders would suck for stealthing too
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It better have a hold button on it!
Indeed, very important!
according to smalldog, it does, but they call it a "lock switch"
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i love how everyone is a damn sherlock holmes when it comes to figuring out this things specs from some preliminary pictures and vague feature set explanations ;)
i still want one! ;D
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i love how everyone is a damn sherlock holmes when it comes to figuring out this things specs from some preliminary pictures and vague feature set explanations ;)
i still want one! ;D
Its kinda fun playing Sherlock and tossing out ideas. We have to entertain ourselves somehow untill official specs are released or someone has one in hand. ;D
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If I go over the info at http://www.smalldog.com/product/35375 I see no simple unbalanced line in on a mini-jack.
Only a mic-in and two balanced TRS mic/line-in's.
Assuming this info is correct, this is no good in my situation.
With the street date being so near, why doesn't M-Audio publish some decent spec sheets? Info? etc? ???
Assuming the balanced line inputs work OK with unbalanced signals and preparing for the case described above: which company makes small, right angle 1/4" TRS connectors?
I may need to build a Y-cable from Lemo to 2*TRS...
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With the street date being so near, why doesn't M-Audio publish some decent spec sheets? Info? etc? ???
They're going after the STEALTH market, and this is a test. Right?
If we guess the right specs we will all get a free machine, I think.
Jeff
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Hey All,
I found this link to an online store that says the microtrack will arrive in mid to late august. Their selling price is listed at $399.00
Check out the link! http://www.smalldog.com/product/35375
Here is the smalldog photo blowed-up in Microsoft photo editor, sorry if its blurry, but this machine looks different...
This does not even resemble any of the previous spy shots that we have seen come out so far. Looks to be a photoshop'd rendering of something similar.
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Soo... I'm hoping those LED's light when the beast clips. And... I'm hoping I can pop the top and run an extension from those LEDs and the level rocker switches.
My ideal would be to have remote LEDs mounted on the inside rim of my glasses (so only I can see them) and have a pair of pocket rocker switches to adjust the levels.
That'll probably be my first mod ;)
Let us know when it's ready. ;D
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probably it is driven by a BridgeCo chipset, even according to their last year agreement: these chipset can host F/W, USB OTG, LCD display and other things, included ADAT or any multichannel I/O: at the moment they drive the majority of F/W audio interfaces out on the market, Terratec, Apogee X-Firewire, M-Audio, EgoSys, etc.
AFAIK and have seen, a working prototype of multi i/o F/W interface with USB-OTG does exist.
Apart from that (it doesn't add any practical vaue to the 3ad) i'm sure at 98% that CF slot can drive any IDE drive, since the pinouts are the same.
That 2% off depends on the format implementation by M-Audio.
This could help to build an external (self-battery powered) harddisk instead of those expensive and limited CF (BTW 2GB are enough for a long 24/96 stereo recording).
Schematics are around on the web, if anyone would try (me personally would like to try with a photocamera of a friend of mine - not mine of course :P)
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(BTW 2GB are enough for a long 24/96 stereo recording).
only if that recording is right around an hour
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This could help to build an external (self-battery powered) harddisk instead of those expensive and limited CF (BTW 2GB are enough for a long 24/96 stereo recording).
you mean...59 minutes..because that is about all you get at 24/96 and 2gbs of storage.
a 2gb card is useless unless you are doing 16bit.
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IMHO a 96KHz is far more than useful in a typical live recording.
Anyway i agree that 2GB is a small quantity, considering that average CF speed is around 10-12MBps and so it takes a bit to transfer all the program.
I started doing some tests around CF and IDE (just to be ready for when this buddy will hit the market :))
If anyone has information about this, please share. (i suppose that such arguments have already been touched about digital cameras, but i'm not usual of those communities)
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a 2gb card is useless unless you are doing 16bit.
a 2 gig card is fine for taping an opening band at 24/48. :P
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hee hee, i love babelfish :-*
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a 2 gig card is fine for taping an opening band at 24/48.
Or even a band who only has a 90 min set.
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a 2 gig card is fine for taping an opening band at 24/48.
Or even a band who only has a 90 min set.
yeah, I miss the added excitment of hoping and praying the band would quit long enough to change out tapes and not miss anything.
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aren't 4gb cards showing up more and more for less than $200. i have a feeling that by the end of the year they'll be getting even cheaper.
i think by the time i destroyed 3-4 electronic devices trying to get them write to an external hdd, i'd just spend the couple hundred dollars and get the 4gb card.
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Looks like the cheapest you can find now is $235. Deals may come around once in a while to make 'em cheaper, though.
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2 months ago the best deal I could get was $275 shipped. I'll pick another one up as soon as that $185 deal comes around again.
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Check www.pricewatch.com - they keep track of all that stuff. That's where I found the $235 price.
For deals keep checking www.techbargains.com, www.slickdeals.net, and www.dealram.com - something will usually pop up on one of those. Lately all the deals have been for 1gb cards, though.
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http://dealnews.com is a good one too.
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Dealnews is the same family as dealram, but with dealram you can go right to their compact flash page: http://dealram.com/prices/19/4GB.html
;D
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Why bother with those places? I just check ts.com since everyone here is looking for the same things I'm looking for ;)
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Hey Tigerdirect has 4GB USB flash drives for $149. (item # U92-2048). These are Monster Flash Drives but I don't know the write speed.
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Why bother with those places? I just check ts.com since everyone here is looking for the same things I'm looking for ;)
haha, good point. they have tons of other stuff tho too. i wish i had $1800 for that toshiba hdtv they have on their today. man, thats a good deal with the free shipping and all.
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Hey Tigerdirect has 4GB USB flash drives for $149. (item # U92-2048). These are Monster Flash Drives but I don't know the write speed.
Yeah but we need Compact Flash drives. USB doesn't help us. ;)
Why bother with those places? I just check ts.com since everyone here is looking for the same things I'm looking for
Haha, great point. And btw, hilarious avatar! ;D +
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yes, that avatar is hilarious. but what about the first rule of ts.com? ;)
"We're the no singing, no dancing crap of the world." ;D
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Guys, I was talking about George's "Stealth" avatar. ;D
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Guys, I was talking about George's "Stealth" avatar. ;D
Interesting parallel. Isn't that movie also about a high-tech piece of gear that goes AWOL? >:D
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Hey Tigerdirect has 4GB USB flash drives for $149. (item # U92-2048). These are Monster Flash Drives but I don't know the write speed.
Yeah but we need Compact Flash drives. USB doesn't help us.
^-^
What do you think is inside the Flash Drive? 8)
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What do you think is inside the Flash Drive?
Flash memory is inside of it. It's probably not in the compact flash form-factor though. I have a 1gb flash drive, but it's way too small to have a compact flash card inside of it. ;)
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What do you think is inside the Flash Drive?
Flash memory is inside of it. It's probably not in the compact flash form-factor though. I have a 1gb flash drive, but it's way too small to have a compact flash card inside of it. ;)
Hey now,
I aslo have a few small flash drives, and know there is no way a CFII card will fit in there. Obviously this is not one of those (if you looked at the item on-line), but a bigger drive that is quite capable of holding a CFII card.
I cheated and called to confirm my suspicion ;D
I don't think this would be any different from the 5GB mp3 players others were hacking last winter, ymmv
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I cheated and called to confirm my suspicion ;D
CHEATER!
Haha. Awesome that I was proven wrong though. Are you going to order one?
+T for the find!
Edit - Actually I just inspected the item in question even more. First, I was shocked to find it dropped down to $119! I was thinking of ordering it right now, but then I noticed something:
Rotational speed: 4,200 RPM
Which means it's probably a microdrive, and not an actual compact flash card. While it would probably work with the Micro Track (and for that matter, any CFII compatible device), it's going to have some downsides compared to a comparable CF card (heat, power, interference, etc).
Here's a link right to the item:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=1104841&sku=U92-2048
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I cheated and called to confirm my suspicion ;D
CHEATER!
Haha. Awesome that I was proven wrong though. Are you going to order one?
+T for the find!
Heh,hee.. +T for you as well, for the better find. Dag-Nab Phone Techs! Bleh :P
I don't think I'll order one now. Isn't that to slow for 24/96?
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Nah, it's definitely fast enough. I just would rather have a CF card than a microdrive. Less to deal with. ;)
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can you use this devices preamp without the phantom power ? can phantom power be turned off ?
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can you use this devices preamp without the phantom power ? can phantom power be turned off ?
it's too premature to know that yet, but i imagine you could turn the phantom power off.
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Will this thing ever ship?? I'm getting too antsy. ;D
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Will this thing ever ship?? I'm getting too antsy. ;D
I was doing fine till you bumped the thread back up top! Every time I open I expect new news!
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New Update, see attached. ;D
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Will this thing ever ship?? I'm getting too antsy. ;D
Me too!! :yahoo:
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Will this thing ever ship?? I'm getting too antsy. ;D
Me too!! :yahoo:
i need to find some cheap 4 GB CF cards.
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Will this thing ever ship?? I'm getting too antsy. ;D
Me too!! :yahoo:
i need to find some cheap 4 GB CF cards.
Me too!! :yahoo:
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What, the included 64 MB won't do it for ya?! ;D
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What, the included 64 MB won't do it for ya?! ;D
if i ever taped widespread panic, it would be mp3 all the way, and the 64MB card would be fine >:D :veryevil:
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looks like the coax is only input, not that big of a deal as i'm sure i'll transfer it to my pc before critical listening anyways.
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looks like the coax is only input, not that big of a deal as i'm sure i'll transfer it to my pc before critical listening anyways.
Yep, gone are the days of dongles, 7-pins and waiting 3 hours to get the master off the source onto the PC :)
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I see a lot of discussion about buying this from Cascade.
Would it be wise to buy it from Oade in case he comes up with some mods for it?
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Would it be wise to buy it from Oade in case he comes up with some mods for it?
If you're going to run analog in, that may be something to consider. I don't think Oade has announced any plans for mods, though.
I have just been loyal to Frank after he sold me my V3, so that's why I'm going with Cascade.
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Will this thing ever ship?? I'm getting too antsy. ;D
Me too!! :yahoo:
i need to find some cheap 4 GB CF cards.
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=45908.0
8)
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<dreaming?I wish this thing would start shipping (antsy as well). I just want to run 414-> ua-5 -> flash tracker. leave all the heavy laptop stuff at home and just have a nice lowepro 5 sized bag and a stand.</dreaming>
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What else could they have told us on this cut sheet? I feel like it just confirms everything that's been rumored about the unit. No real new info of any kind.
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I was hoping to see what the dimensions of the unit were, as opposed to the dimensions of the unit boxed. :P
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What else could they have told us on this cut sheet? I feel like it just confirms everything that's been rumored about the unit. No real new info of any kind.
except with the cut sheet, it seems for real instead of a bunch of rumors on the internets.
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well, it DOES confirm a hold button, that nmakes me VERY happy :)
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looks like the coax is only input, not that big of a deal as i'm sure i'll transfer it to my pc before critical listening anyways.
Yep, gone are the days of dongles, 7-pins and waiting 3 hours to get the master off the source onto the PC :)
I'm still trying to get through my 95 masters :) but then again, i'm lazy :P
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Another outstanding question, is there a 2GB file limit and will it auto-split to create a new file?
Agreed, it is nice to see a hold button.
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so, you plug your own flash media into the thing, and it reads microdrives, too..?
the coax input, is it minicoax, or standard RCA..?
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As per the picture ;) it's standard coax.
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and it confirms the 1/4" trs inputs, as well as dimensions.
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As per the picture ;) it's standard coax.
gotcha...
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fwiw, with live2496, you can make 4gig wav files, to CF cards/microdrives, so it can be done...
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New Update, see attached. ;D
No digi-out for patcing???
Terry
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New Update, see attached. ;D
No digi-out for patcing???
Terry
Nope, but I'm glad to know this is acceptable to use for recording worship. ;)
And it comes with a heady stereo electret microphone...rok on!
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So this might be a stupid question, so flame away if deserved.
If we are going to run external power, is there a right angle USB cable that would allow the unit to sit on top of our bags, etc.? I don't see a straight USB cable being that secure or fitting in a Nova 5 the way I'd want it to.
Just something to stir up more "what if" conversation. 8)
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So this might be a stupid question, so flame away if deserved.
If we are going to run external power, is there a right angle USB cable that would allow the unit to sit on top of our bags, etc.? I don't see a straight USB cable being that secure or fitting in a Nova 5 the way I'd want it to.
Just something to stir up more "what if" conversation. 8)
If I were you I would go Digi in anyway, not USB. I would assume that the usb is for puilling the file off of the CF card if you didn't have a built in card reader on you computer. It is also used from my understanding as the charging port for the internal battery. Remember no question is a stupid question only the one not asked......... see not even a spark HEHEHEHEHEHE 8)
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As per the picture ;) it's standard coax.
gotcha...
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fwiw, with live2496, you can make 4gig wav files, to CF cards/microdrives, so it can be done...
how would you process a 4GB wav tho ???
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So this might be a stupid question, so flame away if deserved.
If we are going to run external power, is there a right angle USB cable that would allow the unit to sit on top of our bags, etc.? I don't see a straight USB cable being that secure or fitting in a Nova 5 the way I'd want it to.
Just something to stir up more "what if" conversation. 8)
If I were you I would go Digi in anyway, not USB.
I think he was looking to power the unit w/ an external battery via the USB port...
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So this might be a stupid question, so flame away if deserved.
If we are going to run external power, is there a right angle USB cable that would allow the unit to sit on top of our bags, etc.? I don't see a straight USB cable being that secure or fitting in a Nova 5 the way I'd want it to.
Just something to stir up more "what if" conversation. 8)
If I were you I would go Digi in anyway, not USB. I would assume that the usb is for puilling the file off of the CF card if you didn't have a built in card reader on you computer. It is also used from my understanding as the charging port for the internal battery. Remember no question is a stupid question only the one not asked......... see not even a spark HEHEHEHEHEHE 8)
I agree that digi in would be the way to record. My question was in regards to the external power options. It appears to me that you are limited to 3 hours record time when using it to supply phantom power. That isn't so hot for festies. So just like we us Walmart batteries / RC packs / SLA's to power our rigs for festivals now, how are we going to power this baby?
The way I read it, the internal lithium-ion can only be "recharged" via the USB port. Will it be possible to rig an external battery to power the device via the USB port, or will this only allow us to "recharge" the internal battery as stated? If it only allows us to recharge, does that mean that we'll have to use a separate device to provide our phantom for festivals in order to achieve the 8 hour run time?
The right angle USB cable was a small portion of a bigger picture I was trying to convey.
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So this might be a stupid question, so flame away if deserved.
If we are going to run external power, is there a right angle USB cable that would allow the unit to sit on top of our bags, etc.?
http://www.usbfirewire.com/usb.html
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from that spec sheet:
powered via USB, rechargeable lithium-ion battery (included)
or optional power supply
USB 1.1 or 2.0 port is required for connection to computer and charging.
this should be interesting. proprietary outboard battery?
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I have the "USB" option on my VR Box (Thanks Marc) so hopefully that can be used with this device
we shall see. USB being 5v I cant see why it wouldn't
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i'd bet it can be powered via the usb port while running, and if so then making a battery should be easy. by the way here's what you want for your right-angle mini-b usb cable:
http://www.usbfirewire.com/Parts/rr-2mbr01-72.html
but it still sticks out a good inch, it seems from the picture. better than nothing i guess. might be able to just rig up a regular mini-b usb plug with a brace that goes around the microtrack to hold it in place...just thinking out loud.
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how would you process a 4GB wav tho
Well if it was recorded in wav64 or SDIIextended there are plenty of programs on the Mac to open it. ;)
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machead :P :)
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how would you process a 4GB wav tho
Well if it was recorded in wav64 or SDIIextended there are plenty of programs on the Mac to open it. ;)
open it in your eav editor of choice...
unless you are running win98 - then you would be in trouble...
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Thanks for the links on the RA USB's. I was checking in at work and didn't want to search around. +T
I didn't realize the VR box came with a USB option. That's sweet info to know!!
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how would you process a 4GB wav tho
Well if it was recorded in wav64 or SDIIextended there are plenty of programs on the Mac to open it. ;)
open it in your eav editor of choice...
unless you are running win98 - then you would be in trouble...
wavelab and adobe audition will not play nicely with 4 Gb files...it will have to be split prior to opening in those programs
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mr oade:
"Sadly this thing uses a digital level control that probably cannot be bypassed or improved. Fine for MP3 users or ENG but not so great for tapers or audiophiles. Think JB3/MD analog input sound quality. Still, the promise of this thing is as a non resampling 24 bit storage device for the Grace V3, Apogee MiniMe or MOD UA5. Until we see Microphone Preamps with A/D converters that include CF slots, something like this unit is our best hope for low cost storage.
Let us all hope they managed to include a good quality 24 bit S/PDIF input..Doug"
Ummm so what does this mean exactly ? I am confused on what a "digi level control" is ...
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"Let us all hope they managed to include a good quality 24 bit S/PDIF input..Doug"
So I am relatively non technical...so I may be missing something here, but it was my understanding that S/PDIF was S/PDIF...a digi singal was fed and captured..is this not the case dependning on the quality of the design/components? Engineer types, any opinions?
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Nick, you're right. I'm not sure what Doug is referring to here, but so long as the unit locks to the external ADC, it'll be fine. Perhaps he's referring to S/PDIF units that have trouble playing nicely because they use some weird voltage, rather than adhering to the specification.
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mr oade:
"Sadly this thing uses a digital level control that probably cannot be bypassed or improved. Fine for MP3 users or ENG but not so great for tapers or audiophiles. Think JB3/MD analog input sound quality. Still, the promise of this thing is as a non resampling 24 bit storage device for the Grace V3, Apogee MiniMe or MOD UA5. Until we see Microphone Preamps with A/D converters that include CF slots, something like this unit is our best hope for low cost storage.
Let us all hope they managed to include a good quality 24 bit S/PDIF input..Doug"
Ummm so what does this mean exactly ? I am confused on what a "digi level control" is ...
It means that when going analog in, it controls the levels in the digital domain, not in an analog pre-amp section. this means that the analog inputs are not as desirable as they could be. when sending it a digital S/PDIF signal, however, the levels will be controlled by equipment previous in the recording chain (i.e. my V3), so all it will do is record the ones and zeroes. Assuming what Doug says is true, this devices will still be perfect for me and everyone else who just wanted to record a 24 bit signal coming from their A/D converter. but it means that stealth tapers that wanted to use it as an all-in-one unit may be less than satisfied.
So I am relatively non technical...so I may be missing something here, but it was my understanding that S/PDIF was S/PDIF...a digi singal was fed and captured..is this not the case dependning on the quality of the design/components? Engineer types, any opinions?
I think what Doug is saying is that some digital inputs resample the incoming data stream, therefore a "good quality" S/PDIF input would be one that doesn't resample. Based on M-Audio's track record in this area, I think we can reasonably assume that the S/PDIF input won't resample.
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Nick, you're right. I'm not sure what Doug is referring to here, but so long as the unit locks to the external ADC, it'll be fine. Perhaps he's referring to S/PDIF units that have trouble playing nicely because they use some weird voltage, rather than adhering to the specification.
alright, makes more sense now...
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I think we all understand that the analog in on the JB3 isn't the best in the world, but if the analog in on this guy does the same job, I'll be happy with it. Analog will only be used in stealth anyway. Beggars can't be choosers. This is a small unit, should be easy to crotch, and I won't need any extra gear. Sounds perfect to me.
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"Sadly this thing uses a digital level control that probably cannot be bypassed or improved." -Doug
Well, a digital control isn't a terrible thing. The question is if the gain is implemented digitally or in the analog domain. (i.e. Is it digital control of analog components?) Metric Halo used a digital level control for their MIO. While it's not an ideal solution, it doesn't compromise sound quality, except that you can't change levels smoothly (b/c digital controls, by definition, are not continuous).
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"Sadly this thing uses a digital level control that probably cannot be bypassed or improved." -Doug
Well, a digital control isn't a terrible thing. The question is if the gain is implemented digitally or in the analog domain. (i.e. Is it digital control of analog components?) Metric Halo used a digital level control for their MIO. While it's not an ideal solution, it doesn't compromise sound quality, except that you can't change levels smoothly (b/c digital controls, by definition, are not continuous).
ahh, a very good point there. if it's just digital control of an analog gain section, that could be good. as far as whether or not changes in gain are noticeable, it depends on the increment of the switch. what led me to believe that it's digital gain, is because Doug thought it couldn't be modded. if it still an analog gain section, Doug would probably be able to swap out op-amps for better ones, and things of that nature. on the other hand, it sounds like Doug is talking from speculation. He doesn't have the unit in hand yet, so as of right now, we'll all still unsure of what this unit is capable of. just sort of thinking out loud here...
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Yep, Matt, that is exactly what I was thinking. Doesn't the 722 use digital gain control too? I never thought a unit like this at this price would have a fantastic analog input and A/D section, but it may well be as good as an M1 or something. I don't think we should jump to conclusions based solely on the fact that it uses digital gain controls. I doubt it will be as good as a 722 or Metric Halo, but if those high end units use digital level control, I don't think we can immediately assume that the MicroTrack will suck because it uses that design.
Unless Doug all of a sudden knows that it uses digital scaling, not true analog gain, but I don't see how he has access to that info yet. It seems to me that he has had no more info on this thing than the rest of us, so I doubt he has any detailed info on its implementation.
Anyway, great news that the cut sheet has been released. I'm still hoping that this will be out soon, and will be an excellent recorder for my V3 and will also make for a decent stealth recordign solution.
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mr oade:
"Sadly this thing uses a digital level control that probably cannot be bypassed or improved. Fine for MP3 users or ENG but not so great for tapers or audiophiles. Think JB3/MD analog input sound quality. Still, the promise of this thing is as a non resampling 24 bit storage device for the Grace V3, Apogee MiniMe or MOD UA5. Until we see Microphone Preamps with A/D converters that include CF slots, something like this unit is our best hope for low cost storage.
Let us all hope they managed to include a good quality 24 bit S/PDIF input..Doug"
Ummm so what does this mean exactly ? I am confused on what a "digi level control" is ...
It means that when going analog in, it controls the levels in the digital domain, not in an analog pre-amp section. this means that the analog inputs are not as desirable as they could be. when sending it a digital S/PDIF signal, however, the levels will be controlled by equipment previous in the recording chain (i.e. my V3), so all it will do is record the ones and zeroes. Assuming what Doug says is true, this devices will still be perfect for me and everyone else who just wanted to record a 24 bit signal coming from their A/D converter. but it means that stealth tapers that wanted to use it as an all-in-one unit may be less than satisfied.
So I am relatively non technical...so I may be missing something here, but it was my understanding that S/PDIF was S/PDIF...a digi singal was fed and captured..is this not the case dependning on the quality of the design/components? Engineer types, any opinions?
I think what Doug is saying is that some digital inputs resample the incoming data stream, therefore a "good quality" S/PDIF input would be one that doesn't resample. Based on M-Audio's track record in this area, I think we can reasonably assume that the S/PDIF input won't resample.
Thanks Jason +T
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ahh, a very good point there. if it's just digital control of an analog gain section, that could be good. as far as whether or not changes in gain are noticeable, it depends on the increment of the switch. what led me to believe that it's digital gain, is because Doug thought it couldn't be modded. if it still an analog gain section, Doug would probably be able to swap out op-amps for better ones, and things of that nature. on the other hand, it sounds like Doug is talking from speculation. He doesn't have the unit in hand yet, so as of right now, we'll all still unsure of what this unit is capable of. just sort of thinking out loud here...
Please discern between analog gain and gain in the digital domain.
You can have digital controls for analog gain (pre-A/D) and digital controls for gain post-A/D.
We want analog gain with whatever controls.
Maybe M-Audio uses some 'codec' with integraded analog gain with digital control. (no separate op-amp)
I assume you mean the digital domain gain in your post.
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ahh, a very good point there. if it's just digital control of an analog gain section, that could be good. as far as whether or not changes in gain are noticeable, it depends on the increment of the switch. what led me to believe that it's digital gain, is because Doug thought it couldn't be modded. if it still an analog gain section, Doug would probably be able to swap out op-amps for better ones, and things of that nature. on the other hand, it sounds like Doug is talking from speculation. He doesn't have the unit in hand yet, so as of right now, we'll all still unsure of what this unit is capable of. just sort of thinking out loud here...
Please discern between analog gain and gain in the digital domain.
You can have digital controls for analog gain (pre-A/D) and digital controls for gain post-A/D.
We want analog gain with whatever controls.
Maybe M-Audio uses some 'codec' with integraded analog gain with digital control. (no separate op-amp)
I assume you mean the digital domain gain in your post.
In that post, I was talking about the differences between analog gain and gain in the digital domain. when I said "digital gain" I meant gain done in the digital domain. when I said "digital control of analog gain" I meant analog gain.
and interesting point about the 'codec' with integrated analog gain. Would that be like a pre-made chip, with the analog gain section inside the chip? if so, then I understand how and why there are no components that can be easily swapped out.
Until we get more details about the product, we can't know for sure whether it's digitally controlled analog gain, or gain applied in the digital domain.
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tonyvt, go a few pages back. That's what has sparked the resurgence of discussion.
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Sorry about that. I must have missed it somehow and have deleted the post.
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This is what someone had to say today over on the Oade Brothers forum.
"I hear reports from Europe that say it clips and phantom power mics cause noises if the cable moves."
http://www.oade.com/Tapers_Section/Forum/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=100&topic_id=3057&mesg_id=3089&page=
I don't know how they would have gotten this info yet.
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I thought the Europe release date was late August. What's this person's source?
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This is what someone had to say today over on the Oade Brothers forum.
"I hear reports from Europe that say it clips and phantom power mics cause noises if the cable moves."
http://www.oade.com/Tapers_Section/Forum/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=100&topic_id=3057&mesg_id=3089&page=
I don't know how they would have gotten this info yet.
Clips under what conditions?
Noise if cable is moved? WTF? What could be causing that (if true and not caused by somethign outside of the recorder)?
I still see no 1/8" stereo TRS line in...
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This is what someone had to say today over on the Oade Brothers forum.
"I hear reports from Europe that say it clips and phantom power mics cause noises if the cable moves."
http://www.oade.com/Tapers_Section/Forum/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=100&topic_id=3057&mesg_id=3089&page=
I don't know how they would have gotten this info yet.
Clips under what conditions?
Noise if cable is moved? WTF? What could be causing that (if true and not caused by somethign outside of the recorder)?
I still see no 1/8" stereo TRS line in...
Noise if the cable is moved could be cause by improperly shielded cables.
I smell bullshit, though. "I hear reports" - put up or shut up. ;)
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There are only a handful of manufacturers that make 24bit/96kh codec chips so the converters will be on par with all the other reasonable priced 24bit/96kh equipment out there.
So knowing this I would assume that the line in should sound pretty good in fact I would speculate that there will be no need for an outside A2D. In fact I do not believe the digi mod to the UA5 will actually send 24bit/96kH data down the spdif if I am correct the internal A2D will be better than using an external one As for the mic input who knows. Looking at the pictures there is no analogue knob for the mic amp so it has to be digitally controlled. This is less than ideal because the mic amp has to have a fixed gain (loud all the time = noise) an then be attenuated further down the audio chain.
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Looking at the pictures there is no analogue knob for the mic amp so it has to be digitally controlled. This is less than ideal because the mic amp has to have a fixed gain (loud all the time = noise) an then be attenuated further down the audio chain.
Wrong. Not having a knob doesn't mean it is fixed gain analog. The speculation is getting a little out of hand..
My Linn LK1 pre-amp.. It just has buttons. and a remote. Of course those digital controls change the amount of analog gain. Yep, it goes in steps. But the steps are quite fine.
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There are only a handful of manufacturers that make 24bit/96kh codec chips so the converters will be on par with all the other reasonable priced 24bit/96kh equipment out there.
sorry, dont buy it....the A/D converter has a different sound in AD2K+, V3, Minime, 722, R1...based on your logic they would all sound the same...
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Most of the higher end products dont use codecs they will have a seperate A2D chip and a seperate D2A chip.
These seperate chips can be built with better noise figures but are way more expensive hence they cost more.
You get what you pay for. I would recomend the Apogee A2D it is the best out there period.
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Wrong. Not having a knob doesn't mean it is fixed gain analog. The speculation is getting a little out of hand..
My Linn LK1 pre-amp.. It just has buttons. and a remote. Of course those digital controls change the amount of analog gain. Yep, it goes in steps. But the steps are quite fine.
I am speculating but I design this stuff for a living and have done for 25 years.
My speculation comes from knowledge of audio design yours comes from places like this and various gear you might or might not own.
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Most of the higher end products dont use codecs they will have a seperate A2D chip and a seperate D2A chip.
These seperate chips can be built with better noise figures but are way more expensive hence they cost more.
You get what you pay for. I would recomend the Apogee A2D it is the best out there period.
doesnt this contradict what you said above?
There are only a handful of manufacturers that make 24bit/96kh codec chips so the converters will be on par with all the other reasonable priced 24bit/96kh equipment out there.
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When I said reasonable priced I meant other products with codec’s in them not separate A2D and D2A,s
My real concerned and I will have to look in to this is that although spdif can handle 24 bits of data on paper the format was intended for 16 bit so I am not convinced A2D manufactures are really sending 24 bits of data at 96kH. In fact the pro interface ASEBU has 24 bits but some of them are used for other things other than audio These products may well be sending 24/96kh to a computer via USB but I would have to look at what is being spit out of there digital outputs to be convinced.
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When I said reasonable priced I meant other products with codec’s in them not separate A2D and D2A,s
My real concerned and I will have to look in to this is that although spdif can handle 24 bits of data on paper the format was intended for 16 bit so I am not convinced A2D manufactures are really sending 24 bits of data at 96kH. In fact the pro interface ASEBU has 24 bits but some of them are used for other things other than audio These products may well be sending 24/96kh to a computer via USB but I would have to look at what is being spit out of there digital outputs to be convinced.
So you're saying that the V3 isn't really sending a 24 bit signal over its s/pdif output and that the unit (such as a 722 or the like) isn't really receiving a 24 bit signal?
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When I said reasonable priced I meant other products with codec’s in them not separate A2D and D2A,s
My real concerned and I will have to look in to this is that although spdif can handle 24 bits of data on paper the format was intended for 16 bit so I am not convinced A2D manufactures are really sending 24 bits of data at 96kH. In fact the pro interface ASEBU has 24 bits but some of them are used for other things other than audio These products may well be sending 24/96kh to a computer via USB but I would have to look at what is being spit out of there digital outputs to be convinced.
So you're saying that the V3 isn't really sending a 24 bit signal over its s/pdif output and that the unit (such as a 722 or the like) isn't really receiving a 24 bit signal?
I, too, would like to know that.
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Maybe
it depends on what unit and what its connected to.
ASEBU has 4 bits dedicated to something other than audio
In its spec but if both units have been designed to ignore the
Spec and use them for audio it would work.
Spdif is expandable to 24 bits assuming both units have been designed to do so. I don’t think SPDIF can do 96 k, light pipe parts that can flash fast enough to do 96k are 6 times the price of a standard light pipe part you would find on a piece of audio gear. What I am saying is the whole thing is questionable between different manufactures
And without analyzing the signals you cannot be sure.
Here is some stuff on digital audio formats
http://www.mtsu.edu/~dsmitche/rim420/materials/Interface.html
24/96 has been a big selling point its an industry buzz word I looked in the UA5 manual for example and the specs for there digital outs just say “conforms to spdif” very ambiguous if you ask me. The big players with the hefty price tags will have this stuff it’s the consumer stuff that cuts corners.
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fwiw I have hooked 2 722s together via spdif and the receiving unit recognizes the receiving signal as 24/96. I verified this by changing the bit depth and sample rate and the 722 auto detected the values.
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Like I said the big players should be OK but if I was you I would use the c link as well to slave 722 together that way the recorders get clocked as a master and a slave, and the master transport works both machines
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Like I said the big players should be OK but if I was you I would use the c link as well to slave 722 together that way the recorders get clocked as a master and a slave, and the master transport works both machines
no disagreement that the clink is th optimal way to do it, I was just disputing the point that you cant feed 24/96 over spdif
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So, if I'm reading this all correctly, the shows I've done with the UA-5 and lappy in 24/96 aren't really 24/96?? ???
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the .pdf that was posted earlier in the thread... where did that come from, a reliable source, website etc?
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I was just disputing the point that you cant feed 24/96 over spdif
So, if I'm reading this all correctly, the shows I've done with the UA-5 and lappy in 24/96 aren't really 24/96??
I don't think that his point was that it was IMPOSSIBLE to send a 24/96 signal via S/PDIF. He was saying that, strictly speaking, the S/PDIF standard doesn't allow for it. Because of that, for lower end, consumer gear (i.e. not Pro gear), the only way to be sure that a 24/96 signal was being sent was to test the signal and make sure 24 bits are being used (perhaps with the "bit meter" in wavelab?)
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the .pdf that was posted earlier in the thread... where did that come from, a reliable source, website etc?
A very reputable retailer.
I don't think that his point was that it was IMPOSSIBLE to send a 24/96 signal via S/PDIF. He was saying that, strictly speaking, the S/PDIF standard doesn't allow for it. Because of that, for lower end, consumer gear (i.e. not Pro gear), the only way to be sure that a 24/96 signal was being sent was to test the signal and make sure 24 bits are being used (perhaps with the "bit meter" in wavelab?)
Gotcha, and it's just the S/PDIF we are worried about? Sending over USB is no problem?
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If it matters to anyone i just took 2 of my raw wav. files from my UA-5 1) done with USB and 2) done COAX and they both register full 24 bits using the wavelab bit meter.
Also my PC soundcard locks on to the sample rate and has never shown anything but the exact sample rate (recordings not made with this machine)
But.. I only record at 24/48 so not sure how that would impact 24/96
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Thanks Jasonsobel for clarifiying
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Flame me if I missed this...
but I was looking at the pdf file and I noticed even though it says S/PDIF input, the "connection options" picuture only shows digital out to a digital mixer? Also on the oade baord doug said "I have heard the same rumor about it being a S/PDIF output. I pressed them for more and learned the reasoning was the S/PDIF connector is on the back with the RCA out while the front has the inputs. I really do not know but I do point out the headphone jack is on the front..." If it was I/O, wouldn't it be like the USB connector?
Typo or problem?
Edit: Opps, I guess you could do RCA > Mixer ;D But the Doug comment is still a little troublesome.
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Flame me if I missed this...
but I was looking at the pdf file and I noticed even though it says S/PDIF input, the "connection options" picuture only shows digital out to a digital mixer? Also on the oade baord doug said "I have heard the same rumor about it being a S/PDIF output. I pressed them for more and learned the reasoning was the S/PDIF connector is on the back with the RCA out while the front has the inputs. I really do not know but I do point out the headphone jack is on the front..." If it was I/O, wouldn't it be like the USB connector?
Typo or problem?
Edit: Opps, I guess could do RCA > Mixer ;D
The problem with all this guessing is that the official specs from M-Audio (pdf on page 9) say it's a S/PDIF input, not an output. Since it doesn't say the kind of connection to the mixer, I'd say it's a safe bet it's an input. ;)
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The problem with all this guessing is that the official specs from M-Audio (pdf on page 9) say it's a S/PDIF input, not an output. Since it doesn't say the kind of connection to the mixer, I'd say it's a safe bet it's an input. ;)
Although the red arrows indicate which way the signal is going on the other devices. Maybe an error on their part?
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The problem with all this guessing is that the official specs from M-Audio (pdf on page 9) say it's a S/PDIF input, not an output. Since it doesn't say the kind of connection to the mixer, I'd say it's a safe bet it's an input. ;)
Although the red arrows indicate which way the signal is going on the other devices. Maybe an error on their part?
yeah a little odd they don't show a digital device (i.e. CD/DAT/MD/DSD/DVD/Stereo...etc payer) out to the Micro Tracker. Maybe I'm just paranoid, I'm sure one of vendors would know if it wasn't an input and tell us.
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Sound Professionals is listing the dimensions as 2.25" X 4.13" X 1.13"
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/MM-MICROTRACKER
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Sound Professionals is listing the dimensions as 2.25" X 4.13" X 1.13"
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/MM-MICROTRACKER
:o Damn, that's tiny! :o
Edit for spelling.
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man, I really hope this thing pans out.
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Compare with a regular iPod at 4.1" H X 2.4" W X 0.73" D... basically the same height & width, probably a little bit deeper because of the CF mechanism. Noice!
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Jesus Christ.... Man do I want one of those soooo bad....
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I clarified with them.... its an S/PDIF Input
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I clarified with them.... its an S/PDIF Input
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+T frank
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Many +Ts to Frank. ;D
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Sound Professionals is listing the dimensions as 2.25" X 4.13" X 1.13"
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/MM-MICROTRACKER
Soundprofessionals do not mention a consumer line in. No 1/8" TRS stereo jack. BAD news. >:(
Are we sure there is no 1/8" line input?
If so: just use the 1/4"TRS jacks as unbalanced line inputs? (i.e.: bigger connectors)
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I'd imagine you could use the 1/4" inputs with an unbalanced plug. So you could probably use a RCA to 1/4" phono adapter like this:
http://www.radioshack.com/images/ProductCatalog/ProductImage/274/274-320.jpg
If you're stealthing, you could leave the adapters in the microtrack, so it would just be a tad bigger with the part of the adapter with the RCA jacks sticking out, and then bring along a RCA cable or a 1/8" mini to dual RCA cable, depending on your needs. Doesn't seem like that big of a deal, esp considering how small the microtrack is to begin with.
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I'd imagine you could use the 1/4" inputs with an unbalanced plug. So you could probably use a RCA to 1/4" phono adapter like this:
http://www.radioshack.com/images/ProductCatalog/ProductImage/274/274-320.jpg
If you're stealthing, you could leave the adapters in the microtrack, so it would just be a tad bigger with the part of the adapter with the RCA jacks sticking out, and then bring along a RCA cable or a 1/8" mini to dual RCA cable, depending on your needs. Doesn't seem like that big of a deal, esp considering how small the microtrack is to begin with.
Yes, I can understand what you mean with the last remark (and see the cable solution as well).
This is in the context that I like stuff to be as small as possible and of the best performance within certain boundaries.
I.e.: having to use a balanced input as unbalanced may impact the SNR, etc. thus creating worse quality in recordings.
(although it could still be better than what a recent Sony portable does)
If we could mod mic-in to line-in that would be it! I wonder if Doug could do this...
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i think doug said he's not attempting any new mods as he is having health problems relating to standing over the workbench?
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i think doug said he's not attempting any new mods as he is having health problems relating to standing over the workbench?
He did say that yep. Talked to him today, and because of his health problems he is backlogged with work.
I dont think he was going to mod that machine anyway, was he Damon?
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This info says the 1/4" inputs are switchable mic/line.
Also Useing an unbalanced signal in a balanced jack is fine
so long as you dont have long cable runs.
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know what will be nice w/this..
is if the a/d in it sounds 1/2 decent and you can feed it a line source.
most likely, it will be good only for digital input...and stealthing applications where you can sacrifice sound quality.
but one of these w/a pair of 4060's is going to be too sweet for that crowd.
:)
then again, the hard core have probably been using Hi-MD
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most likely, it will be good only for digital input...and stealthing applications where you can sacrifice sound quality.
If it sounds anything like the other M-Audio units I've used (Firewire410, Firewire1814) it'll be just fine for me for stealthing.
Oh, and M-Audio finally added the MicroTrack to their website:
http://m-audio.com/products/en_us/MicroTrack-main.html
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way cool.
i'm excited for this as well.
going to be a sweet deck, no doubt.
powering it has me wondering though...
hopefully it will not be a big hassle to get duplicate LiON batteries, or a big PITA to change them out.
a USB RC pack hack anyone?
hmmmm.....we'll need to find out what the voltage is through that for re-charging the battery, and if it works w/o battery power at all?
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Should be 5v since it's charging over USB. I doubt I'll have any problems powering it with my VR Box. ;D
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I like this part:
"Pro-quality preamps complete with phantom power will work with your favorite condenser microphones virtually anywhere you need to capture audio—all the way up to 24-bit/96kHz."
Looks like they had stealth tapers in mind when building this thing.
This line has me confused.
"Balanced ¼” TRS line outs also make it easy to take a feed directly from a studio or club mixer. "
Do they really mean TRS Line Inputs instead?
When is this shipping?!
colin
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Should be 5v since it's charging over USB. I doubt I'll have any problems powering it with my VR Box. ;D
Wonder if you can charge it and use it at the same time though, or if hooking it up via USB turns it off or changes the mode somehow. Also wonder what that optional power supply is that they've been mentioning, and how it connects...
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Balanced ¼” TRS line outs also make it easy to take a feed directly from a studio or club mixer. "
Do they really mean TRS Line Inputs instead?
Yes.
When is this shipping?!
Soon. ;) Last I heard was just a few weeks away, probably mid-August. I'm sure any retailer could tell you better, though.
Also wonder what that optional power supply is that they've been mentioning, and how it connects...
My guess is there's a DC power connector.
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Wonder if you can charge it and use it at the same time though, or if hooking it up via USB turns it off or changes the mode somehow. Also wonder what that optional power supply is that they've been mentioning, and how it connects...
Or how much extra it will cost.....
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I dont understand why a few of you keep saying the only input is the 1\4's, It says right in the cut sheet along with the ballanced 1\4 inputs:
"1\8 TRS INPUT WITH 5V POWER"
So all you need do is plug your 406x directly in and your stylin' with the smallest stelth rig ever.
Brad
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Actually, in full it reads: "1/8” TRS input with 5V power for use with stereo electret microphone (microphone included)". I think the concern is that this input will only be a mic input, not selectable for mic or line. So it might be routed no matter what through a mic preamp with additional gain, more gain than would be wanted if running line in, or even if getting a really hot mic signal from taping a loud PA.
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Doug said today that the gain structure on this was going to be digital...like the JB3 or an MD deck.
that is not good.
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Doug said today that the gain structure on this was going to be digital...like the JB3 or an MD deck.
that is not good.
Im thinking i may not even get one of em. I never stealth, and really want to spend my money wisely.
I will probably nix this and get some m27 caps instead.
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ray, you have a 722, what the fuck do you need another 24-bit device for ???
chill out and save some damn money bud ;)
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ray, you have a 722, what the fuck do you need another 24-bit device for ???
chill out and save some damn money bud ;)
yeah I know, just got caught up in the throes of gear buying...
went from oxy to audio. :)
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im in a downward spiral w/ buying gear too, i would ideally like an m148 w/ the v3 and also a set of LD's to run M/S/Bluemein, and all those crazy configs :)
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im in a downward spiral w/ buying gear too, i would ideally like an m148 w/ the v3 and also a set of LD's to run M/S/Bluemein, and all those crazy configs :)
148s seem to be hard to come by. sheer luck that i got mine/
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im in a downward spiral w/ buying gear too, i would ideally like an m148 w/ the v3 and also a set of LD's to run M/S/Bluemein, and all those crazy configs :)
148s seem to be hard to come by. sheer luck that i got mine/
theres a few around i may possibly be able to talk out of someones hands ;) i know who has most of them 8)
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Doug said today that the gain structure on this was going to be digital...like the JB3 or an MD deck.
that is not good.
Unless you have something in front of it, in which case it wont matter at all. ;)
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Doug said today that the gain structure on this was going to be digital...like the JB3 or an MD deck.
that is not good.
Unless you have something in front of it, in which case it wont matter at all. ;)
;D
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Any body else find it interesting that the M-Audio site lists this at $599 MSRP? We've been hearing $499 MSRP with a $399 retail up till now. Does this mean that they will be going for $499 retail?
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Any body else find it interesting that the M-Audio site lists this at $599 MSRP? We've been hearing $499 MSRP with a $399 retail up till now. Does this mean that they will be going for $499 retail?
Nope. All the usual retailers are selling them for $399.
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i noticed that too, at this point in the hobby tho, whats 100 bucks ;)
in all seriousness tho, i hope its 399, save 100 buck to put toward either an OTG drive or more CF media :)
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i noticed that too, at this point in the hobby tho, whats 100 bucks ;)
in all seriousness tho, i hope its 399, save 100 buck to put toward either an OTG drive or more CF media :)
True and true. This damn hobby's killing me!! It's just $100....it's just $1,000. It's just money, right?
I'm about to sell a kidney for CMC641 ST > V3 optimod > 722 rig. I wonder if my wife would notice if her wedding ring disappeared?? ::)
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most likely, it will be good only for digital input...and stealthing applications where you can sacrifice sound quality.
If it sounds anything like the other M-Audio units I've used (Firewire410, Firewire1814) it'll be just fine for me for stealthing.
Oh, and M-Audio finally added the MicroTrack to their website:
http://m-audio.com/products/en_us/MicroTrack-main.html
Thanks!
BTW: Does anybody know a source for very short/angled 1/4" TRS jack plugs? (i.e. the part that sticks out of the device when the plugs are inserted..)
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is there an adapter "microdot -> 1/4 jack" ? (4061 directly into microtrack ?)
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is there an adapter "microdot -> 1/4 jack" ? (4061 directly into microtrack ?)
I saw a picture of one here some time ago.
I was wondering if it could do stereo?
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stereo ? ???
i think for the left and the right channel (mono)
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stereo ? ???
i think for the left and the right channel (mono)
Hmm. I was confused! ;)
1/4" versus 1/8"...
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All youll need is a coax. UA5 SPDIF out to M Audio SPDIF in.
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Sound Professionals is listing the dimensions as 2.25" X 4.13" X 1.13"
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/MM-MICROTRACKER
:o Damn, that's tiny! :o
Tiny?
For comparison the M-Audio's dimensions against an all mechanical behemoth, the Sony M1/D100:
M-Audio
2.25" X 4.13" X 1.13" -> 57.2 x 104.9 x 28.7 mm
Sony
2" x 4 1/2" x 1 1/16" -> 51 x 114 x 27.8 mm
So the M-Audio is shorter, wider and thicker? (if all measurements and conversions are OK, of course)
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Sound Professionals is listing the dimensions as 2.25" X 4.13" X 1.13"
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/MM-MICROTRACKER
:o Damn, that's tiny! :o
Tiny?
For comparison the M-Audio's dimensions against an all mechanical behemoth, the Sony M1/D100:
M-Audio
2.25" X 4.13" X 1.13" -> 57.2 x 104.9 x 28.7 mm
Sony
2" x 4 1/2" x 1 1/16" -> 51 x 114 x 27.8 mm
So the M-Audio is shorter, wider and thicker? (if all measurements and conversions are OK, of course)
ipod
61.80x103.50x19.10
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Well then somebody's measurements are off, because the iPod is way smaller than the M1.
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All youll need is a coax. UA5 SPDIF out to M Audio SPDIF in.
and i would have no problem running a matrix like this right? i would have my mics plugged into the front & my sbd patch plugged into the rca inputs in the back.
the m-audio would be connected through my ua5 rca outputs > m-audio inputs right?
you could do a matrix no problem. but you don't want to use the RCA outs on the UA-5, you want to use the digital coaxial output (which also uses an RCA connector, but with a 75ohm cable).
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Well then somebody's measurements are off, because the iPod is way smaller than the M1.
http://developer.apple.com/hardware/ipod/iPodphoto3060dimensions.pdf
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Well then somebody's measurements are off, because the iPod is way smaller than the M1.
Hmm. Now I found: 3.15 x 4.62 x 1.15" (80 x 117.3 x 29.3mm) ... (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/147599-REG/Sony_PCMM1_PCM_M1_Portable_DAT_Walkman.html)
This comparison looks wayyy better! :D
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well, today I got an answer from M-Audio tech support in regards to the 2 GB file limit and a possible autosplit feature.
here is the relevant text from a couple of emails:
Jason,
The FAT32 file format has a 2GB limit for an individual file.
We plan on releasing updates for this product through out it’s life cycle. Although we cannot give more information at this time, please check back for updates.
Please let us know if you need further assistance.
Take Care,
LE
and after further questioning:
Yes, the file split feature will be implemented in the next few weeks with
an update we are releasing.
So, there's our answer. I hadn't seen any info about this yet, so I thought I'd go ahead and post it here for everyone.
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Sounds good to me, but since when has FAT32 been limited to 2 gigabyte files?
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Sounds good to me, but since when has FAT32 been limited to 2 gigabyte files?
always has been that way...whenever I tried to write a file bigger than 2 Gb in FAT32 it would lock up...since changing to NTFS, I have not had a single problem
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Ah, I was thinking of NTFS. My bad. ;)
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this thing looks so goddamned awesome.
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havent had time to keep up on this thread...
Anyone actually have one of these yet?
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Not yet, very soon though.
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i eagerly await your review, john!
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I doubt I'll be the first one to get it, but I'll DEFINITELY post my review as soon as I get my hands on one. Already have the 4 gig card ready. ;D
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havent had time to keep up on this thread...
Anyone actually have one of these yet?
-e
No, but Boswell is hopefully going to check one out today.He has an invite from 2-5, but work calls. Looks like one of the designers lives locally.
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yeah i got my 4gb cf card in the mail this weekend, now i just need the recorder! ;D
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ray, you have a 722, what the fuck do you need another 24-bit device for ???
chill out and save some damn money bud ;)
Yes, I agree... Dump some of that stuff and pick up another hobby like digi-photos... Having an awesome digi-SLR to do visual as your MG>722 does the audio would be very nice...
Terry
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ray, you have a 722, what the fuck do you need another 24-bit device for ???
chill out and save some damn money bud ;)
Yes, I agree... Dump some of that stuff and pick up another hobby like digi-photos... Having an awesome digi-SLR to do visual as your MG>722 does the audio would be very nice...
Terry
Im buildin a studio too, so its not just for concert taping im grabbin gear for. No other hobbies really interest me. Cept for musical performing, but i already do that .
Ive spent a pretty penny on my pedal steels and lap steels too. :o
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well, today I got an answer from M-Audio tech support in regards to the 2 GB file limit and a possible autosplit feature.
here is the relevant text from a couple of emails:
Jason,
The FAT32 file format has a 2GB limit for an individual file.
We plan on releasing updates for this product through out it’s life cycle. Although we cannot give more information at this time, please check back for updates.
Please let us know if you need further assistance.
Take Care,
LE
and after further questioning:
Yes, the file split feature will be implemented in the next few weeks with
an update we are releasing.
So, there's our answer. I hadn't seen any info about this yet, so I thought I'd go ahead and post it here for everyone.
that's great news
that was one of my concerns
+T
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As long as I can update it from my Mac I'll be happy. M-Audio seems to be very good about Mac support, though, so I'm not too worried. ;)
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M-Audio's website now has pictures of all sides.
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MicroTrack-main.html
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havent had time to keep up on this thread...
Anyone actually have one of these yet?
-e
No, but Boswell is hopefully going to check one out today.He has an invite from 2-5, but work calls.
looks like it'll be Thursday before I see the beta
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why don't you just run the batt box to an adaptor that goes into the 1/4" jacks?
also...the delete button somewhat worries me...seems too easy to accidentally hit. but maybe it has to be held down for a period of time and confirmed?? that would be good.
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Okay, this may seem silly, but there seems to be a couple of things missing from all the photos...
The "Play" and "Stop" buttons! Anybody else notice this?
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Okay, this may seem silly, but there seems to be a couple of things missing from all the photos...
The "Play" and "Stop" buttons! Anybody else notice this?
There's one button on the side with the mic/line switch, all the way to the right. I can't clearly make that out. Maybe that's it.
And the delete button looks pretty well protected to me. Small, on it's own, almost below the body of the unit. Plus, with the hold button, you shouldn't have to worry about anything being deleted if you have it in your pocket.
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good eye! although in the tiny little pics of the side buttons, the 4th one seems as though it might have that functionality...hard to tell though!
about the delete button...it's not deleting during recording that worries me, it's afterward when you've turned off the hold switch!
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Okay, this may seem silly, but there seems to be a couple of things missing from all the photos...
The "Play" and "Stop" buttons! Anybody else notice this?
Could this be just a recorder only and not include playback?
Also, buttons for Pause, Fast Forward, Next Track, etc.
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about the delete button...it's not deleting during recording that worries me, it's afterward when you've turned off the hold switch!
I would imagine and hope that it will ask for confirmation before doing so, a la the JB3.
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The R1's delete functionality is built into the menu and it has play and stop buttons. I guess M-Audio is doing the oposite.
Since the recorder will have more than one file on it potentially at a time, there has to be a way to select the file you want to delete from a list before pressing the delete button would know which file you're trying to delete. So the delete button would probably only do damage when you're traversing the menu and viewing/selecting from a list of files.
I hope the stop button is easy to get to, because with the 2GB file limit, you have to stop the recording to save it before starting a new one, I'd hate to have to fumble thru a menu while stealthing to do that.
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I hope the stop button is easy to get to, because with the 2GB file limit, you have to stop the recording to save it before starting a new one, I'd hate to have to fumble thru a menu while stealthing to do that.
And hopefully you'll only need to do that for a short time. There was mention of a firmware upgrade at some point to combat the 2GB limit.
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If I can't do it in my pocket, I'll keep using my d100 to stealth with until they deliver the firmware to fix it.
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Got my 4gb card as well, now just waiting for the goods ;D
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I'm wondering if that final button is for phantom power. Can't read it, but maybe it says "48v".
As to new firmware, it would be nice if they could implement something like the ff button on the JB3 that starts recording a new file (without losing anything). Say, hitting the record button while it is already recording would seamlessly start a new file.
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I'm wondering if that final button is for phantom power. Can't read it, but maybe it says "48v".
Now that you mention it, I can see "48v" if I try.
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yeah, and it does look more like a switch than a button...some keen eyes here!
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I'm wondering if that final button is for phantom power. Can't read it, but maybe it says "48v".
As to new firmware, it would be nice if they could implement something like the ff button on the JB3 that starts recording a new file (without losing anything). Say, hitting the record button while it is already recording would seamlessly start a new file.
If they're writing firmware for it, I hope they try to develop something that does not require user input to avoid the filesize barrier. The JB3 is poorly engineered with regards to seamlessness around max file size (but is still better than stop/start while recording).
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Okay, this may seem silly, but there seems to be a couple of things missing from all the photos...
The "Play" and "Stop" buttons! Anybody else notice this?
Must be through the menu.
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why don't you just run the batt box to an adaptor that goes into the 1/4" jacks?
Because it takes up too much space for such a simple function and creates more wiring hassles.. It would be so much more slick to just go straight into the MT.
I hope the 48v isn't too easy to enable because I've heard it could fry mics like the 4061.
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why don't you just run the batt box to an adaptor that goes into the 1/4" jacks?
Because it takes up too much space for such a simple function and creates more wiring hassles.. It would be so much more slick to just go straight into the MT.
I hope the 48v isn't too easy to enable because I've heard it could fry mics like the 4061.
you mean disable?
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Just saw this in the details section:
Minimun System Req(PC).
Windows XP (SP1)
Does this mean I need to be running XP ?
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If they're writing firmware for it, I hope they try to develop something that does not require user input to avoid the filesize barrier. The JB3 is poorly engineered with regards to seamlessness around max file size (but is still better than stop/start while recording).
I gather from the earlier post they already are thinking about the 2gb file size barrier. I wasn't talking about this, I'd like to have the ability to easily start a new track, for reasons having nothing to do with the 2gb file size. I'm hoping they can accomplish both.
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I’m worried about the 3 hour limit with phantom power. It doesn’t look you can attach a dry battery like with HiMD. Do I charge an extra lithium battery and replace during intermission?
Also, looks like the MicroTrack does not have the dual XLR balanced microphone inputs. To connect XLR’s will have to use two XLR-to-1/4-inch TRS adapter cables (about at $24 each). But what if I want to feed them into line in? How do I get the phantom power? I am confused here.
Noam
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Anyone know about mic/line impedance?
Gain range?
Etc? ???
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Anyone know about mic/line impedance?
Gain range?
Etc? ???
Not to be rude, but read over the 2 or 3 threads about the Flash Tracker and you will see what all we know. It's still very little, and almost all is speculation. It'll still be a few weeks till anyone knows anything for sure.
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Just saw this in the details section:
Minimun System Req(PC).
Windows XP (SP1)
Does this mean I need to be running XP ?
maybe to transfer directy from the unit.. maybe not.. maybe they just didnt put in the standard 98/2000/XP.. who knows
but even then.. ur best off in investing in a usb compact flash reader anyways and that would help you in case you arent running XP...
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I'm wondering if that final button is for phantom power. Can't read it, but maybe it says "48v".
Now that you mention it, I can see "48v" if I try.
You´re right guys about the '48v'. If you head over to the german M-Audio site you can have a look at bigger pics of each side of the MicroTrack.
http://www.m-audio.de/microtrack.htm
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Much better pics. Thanks!
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I’m worried about the 3 hour limit with phantom power. It doesn’t look you can attach a dry battery like with HiMD. Do I charge an extra lithium battery and replace during intermission?
Also, looks like the MicroTrack does not have the dual XLR balanced microphone inputs. To connect XLR’s will have to use two XLR-to-1/4-inch TRS adapter cables (about at $24 each). But what if I want to feed them into line in? How do I get the phantom power? I am confused here.
Noam
Is the battery removable? If so, do you think we can buy extras?
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im on the list now.
its for my er...wife.
::)
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Much better pics. Thanks!
The pics look exactly the same to me - Noam
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Click on the pics in the linked site for larger versions.
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(http://www.m-audio.de/us/MicroTrack-side-R.jpg)
(http://www.m-audio.de/us/MicroTrack-bottom.jpg)
(http://www.m-audio.de/us/MicroTrack-topmod.jpg)
(http://www.m-audio.de/us/MicroTrack-side-L.jpg)
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I think every regular ts.com member has now posted in this thread.
Must be a new record....
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whats the button above the arrows in the top picture. beside the cf slot. could that be a play button of some sorts?
this thing is gonna be badass.
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I thought that too, but also thought it was an eject or locking mech. for the flash card??
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got me, almost looks like a fast forward/rewind type symbol. got me. i guess time will tell.
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I think every regular ts.com member has now posted in this thread.
Must be a new record....
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Thats a fact.Now how bout a beer. All this talk about this fine new machine has made me thirsty!
-Cliff
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Click on the pics in the linked site for larger versions.
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Thanks! We're still missing one side (the 6th) - Noam
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Click on the pics in the linked site for larger versions.
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Thanks! We're still missing one side (the 6th) - Noam
Or, the back.
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god damn, this thing looks awesome! (did i say that already?)
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I cant wait for some reviews from TS'ers.
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Looking more to be released towards the end of August.
Alittle birdy told me so 8)
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Yeah, 3 to 4 more weeks... :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Looking more to be released towards the end of August.
Alittle birdy told me so 8)
your little birdy gets around. 8)
told me the same thing
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someone buy me one... im poor and need an upgrade... i wil even throw in a JB3!
:P
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AKG ck63/c460b > Canare Mini-Starquad XLR(F)-to-1/4"TRS > M-Audio MicroTrack 24/96 (.wav @ 16bit/44.1kHz)
How's that for a nice and compact rig? Assuming the gain provided by the microtrack is good and the ADC is quality, I might opt to sell my DIY digimod UA-5, JB3, starquad cables.... and pick up one of these around xmas time plus a 4gb CF card... this is exciting.
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got me, almost looks like a fast forward/rewind type symbol. got me. i guess time will tell.
I'm guessing it's the means of navigating the menu. Perhaps it's a pushable rocker switch?
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im on the list now.
its for my er...wife.
::)
What list? A German retailer? I want one, too. It's for... errr... me. ;D
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im on the list now.
its for my er...wife.
::)
What list? A German retailer? I want one, too. It's for... errr... me. ;D
a us retailer.
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Here are better photos of the MicroTrack 24/86
front: http://www.m-audio.de/pictures/MicroTrack-hero.jpg
top: http://www.m-audio.de/us/MicroTrack-topmod.jpg
bottom: http://www.m-audio.de/us/MicroTrack-bottom.jpg
right: http://www.m-audio.de/us/MicroTrack-side-R.jpg
left: http://www.m-audio.de/us/MicroTrack-side-L.jpg
Missing is a photo of the back, which might show if
the internal lithium-ion internal battery is easily removeable.
The MicroTrack is similar in size to a candy-bar style cell phone,
roughly 4.25in. long, 2.25in. wide and 1.25in. thick
Lowest price I've seen so far for the M-Audio MicroTrack 24/96 is
$369 at www.core-sound.com, delivery expected in a few weeks.
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with this news pics and news i have a big doubt, invert my summer job salary in this lovely toy or go to dpa's ::).
It's very nice this microtrack...anxious for the first reviews ;D
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Missing is a photo of the back, which might show if
the internal lithium-ion internal battery is easily removeable.
My understanding is that its not easily removeable.
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Missing is a photo of the back, which might show if
the internal lithium-ion internal battery is easily removeable.
My understanding is that its not easily removeable.
I had thought somewhere said it was replaceable (doesn't mean removeable, I know, but who knows)
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Not affilliated.... This place will be selling them for only $349.99 http://www.guygraphics.com/frameset-26228.html
Hint: you have to add item to cart to display this lower price. Best deal I've found so far.
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mmmm, FINALLY ;D
been waiting years for sometrhing like this, hopefully it pans out as nice as its features :)
all i can say is, BUYING ONE SOON!
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Not affilliated.... This place will be selling them for only $349.99 http://www.guygraphics.com/frameset-26228.html
Hint: you have to add item to cart to display this lower price. Best deal I've found so far.
Nice price. My plan is to let others be the guinea pigs for this device... I don't wanna buy it and find it doesn't suit my needs. Hopefully somebody will give it a nice review... my concerns are:
- solid analog gain
- quality ADC
- metering
- ease of use
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my worries are:
records fine at 24/48-96 on cf cards w/ coax in ;D bit perfect and RELIABLE!
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my worries are:
records fine at 24/48-96 on cf cards w/ coax in ;D bit perfect and RELIABLE!
Yeah, I guess if I were to get one it would be as a replacement for my whole rig minus the mics... it would replace my digimod stock UA-5 and jb3, so it would have to have a decent pre/adc.... I'm sure it would probably be good enough for me though, since my ears aren't THAT tuned. I can't afford a V3 anyways... and I'm not convinced it would be noticeably better than my UA-5 as a pre/adc... the battery issue is something else to consider.. do you think leegeddy could make a power cable for the VRbox which would terminate in a usb plug and then with that we could power the unit with our walmart 9v's plugged into the VRBox... that would be pretty nice.
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my worries are:
records fine at 24/48-96 on cf cards w/ coax in ;D bit perfect and RELIABLE!
Yeah, I guess if I were to get one it would be as a replacement for my whole rig minus the mics... it would replace my digimod stock UA-5 and jb3, so it would have to have a decent pre/adc.... I'm sure it would probably be good enough for me though, since my ears aren't THAT tuned. I can't afford a V3 anyways... and I'm not convinced it would be noticeably better than my UA-5 as a pre/adc... the battery issue is something else to consider.. do you think leegeddy could make a power cable for the VRbox which would terminate in a usb plug and then with that we could power the unit with our walmart 9v's plugged into the VRBox... that would be pretty nice.
i heard that he did mod one of his vrboxes to have a usb out, so yes, i believe its possible :)
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I'm wondering if I could get a microtracker for the same price that I could get by selling my ua-5 + jb3 + starquads.... I think I probably could... the question will be, is the pre/adc section of the tracker better than the ua-5. I guess only time will tell.
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I'm wondering if I could get a microtracker for the same price that I could get by selling my ua-5 + jb3 + starquads.... I think I probably could... the question will be, is the pre/adc section of the tracker better than the ua-5. I guess only time will tell.
i would hold on to the ua5, which has been proven reliable, rather than sell them for a microtracker which could be hot garbage for all we know.
let everyone use them for about 6 months and then get one.
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i wouldnt sell the ua5 either, even a nice 800-900 doillar dat deck had shitty pres in it, i would think thios is gonna fall into the same category, shitty pre__ok a/d-nothing more, nothing less, cant expecta great pre/ad out of a 350 dollar unit, hopefully it just records flawlessly and can split files at 2GB, thats alll i want
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my worries are:
records fine at 24/48-96 on cf cards w/ coax in ;D bit perfect and RELIABLE!
Yeah, I guess if I were to get one it would be as a replacement for my whole rig minus the mics... it would replace my digimod stock UA-5 and jb3, so it would have to have a decent pre/adc.... I'm sure it would probably be good enough for me though, since my ears aren't THAT tuned. I can't afford a V3 anyways... and I'm not convinced it would be noticeably better than my UA-5 as a pre/adc... the battery issue is something else to consider.. do you think leegeddy could make a power cable for the VRbox which would terminate in a usb plug and then with that we could power the unit with our walmart 9v's plugged into the VRBox... that would be pretty nice.
i heard that he did mod one of his vrboxes to have a usb out, so yes, i believe its possible :)
I am the proud owner of the VR Box that has a USB termination. So yes leegeedy has some experience with this already
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my worries are:
records fine at 24/48-96 on cf cards w/ coax in ;D bit perfect and RELIABLE!
Yeah, I guess if I were to get one it would be as a replacement for my whole rig minus the mics... it would replace my digimod stock UA-5 and jb3, so it would have to have a decent pre/adc.... I'm sure it would probably be good enough for me though, since my ears aren't THAT tuned. I can't afford a V3 anyways... and I'm not convinced it would be noticeably better than my UA-5 as a pre/adc... the battery issue is something else to consider.. do you think leegeddy could make a power cable for the VRbox which would terminate in a usb plug and then with that we could power the unit with our walmart 9v's plugged into the VRBox... that would be pretty nice.
i heard that he did mod one of his vrboxes to have a usb out, so yes, i believe its possible :)
I am the proud owner of the VR Box that has a USB termination. So yes leegeedy has some experience with this already
SWEET-ASS!
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i dount the pre section will be all that good, and all speculation is that the gain is in the digital domain.
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Here's a quick way to DIY USB power. I think a variation of this that takes +5 from a SIMA with the connectors of your choice would probably work. Of course you'd keep the other end of the USB cable...
http://www.ocinside.de/go_e.html?/html/modding/usb_powercable.html
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Yeah, my UA-5 needs to be checked by someone before "proven" reliable... my digimod is real sloppy.
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let everyone use them for about 6 months and then get one.
I can't wait 6 months because I need a device that records more than the 94 minutes the HiMD does. OTOH, 3 hours tops recording time, or a device that I cannot charge in a hotel overseas is useless. I don't see any retailer offering the "optional power supply".
Noam
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I cannot believe I have missed this!!! this thing is badass! I will be buying one! I need to replace DAT because you know its goin down.... unfortunately... :(
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Here's a quick way to DIY USB power. I think a variation of this that takes +5 from a SIMA with the connectors of your choice would probably work. Of course you'd keep the other end of the USB cable...
http://www.ocinside.de/go_e.html?/html/modding/usb_powercable.html
Does anyone know of a similar firewire solution? This sounds perfect for a cheep long term battery solution to anything with a firewire connection.
-Noah
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plus you don't have to worry about the run time if you use the ua5, unless you tape 8+ hours.
Why?
i'd think 3 hours of phantom should be plenty for most stealth shows too...
I have tickets for several performances this upcoming season lasting from 3 to six hours.
Noam
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Just make an external battery pack. Shouldn't be too hard to do. In fact, there's a post a few back on how to do it.
And yes, 8 hours without phantom, 3 hours with phantom. if you use the UA-5, you don't have to have the phantom on, giving you 8 hours of battery time. And be patient with the accessories. Main priority is to get the main unit out first. Accessories are sure to follow.
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Well this thread has now hit the end of its life. Here is a link to the continuation of this thread Part II.
If someone has some time (or maybe me) let's try and put what we DO KNOW in onepost in PArt II.
Here is the link for PART II
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=47014.0
Party On Wayne.....
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i dount the pre section will be all that good, and all speculation is that the gain is in the digital domain.
I wouldn't completely discount it yet either. M-Audio could surprise everyone. ;D
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Exactly John ...