well, im interested in taping a local bands concert. I dont want to get real serious into taping, but i do want my recording to come out clean. I was wondering difference does it make if you record the show with one mic or with a pair.
uhh, yeah.
one *stereo* mic maybe. but you will not be happy with a mono recoding.
the search function is your friend. start here:
http://taperssection.com/index.php?board=46.0
so for two mics what do i aim them at... also, i could use some recomendations on some mics that will produce some good quality recordings without having to spend a fortune.
Quote from: 3gendmb on January 10, 2006, 09:10:05 PM
so for two mics what do i aim them at... also, i could use some recomendations on some mics that will produce some good quality recordings without having to spend a fortune.
There is an entire sub-forum in the Archive for the Microphones and Setup. Also, some stickied threads in this forum will help you out as will the "Getting Started" forum.
Do some reading around here, and if you have the scratch, consider picking up a copy of the New Stereo Soundbook. It's a bit pricy, but a very good education on stereo sound concepts and techniques.
You've come to the right place though. I've seen a LOT of people running a pair of expensive mics (sometimes incredibly so) side by side with no included angle at all. Unless they want a mono recording and run a second mic as a backup to the first, then I just don't know what they're doing. Or, should I say, they don't know what they're doing.
- Jason
Quote from: O-Canis on January 10, 2006, 10:35:26 PM
Quote from: Jason Reiser on January 10, 2006, 09:51:35 PM
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... I've seen a LOT of people running a pair of expensive mics (sometimes incredibly so) side by side with no included angle at all. Unless they want a mono recording and run a second mic as a backup to the first, then I just don't know what they're doing. Or, should I say, they don't know what they're doing.
- Jason
That would be your stereo A-B pattern. Depending on the capsule and the separation and placement, it can yeild a stereo image. All depends on the variables. I've never run that way and haven't dug into it, but it's not unheard of.
Well, when I wrote "side by side" I really mean exactly that... like within a few inches of one another at most. The first (and most ridiculous) time I saw was at Irving Plaza a few years back someone was running a set of Schoeps tubes with card caps this way. Seems like a big waste when he'd get nearly identical results for half the money... or far better by listening to some friendly advice about reading up on stereo methods.
A-B stereo works because the mics are separated by a significant distance. You need separation between the mics or an included angle (or a combination of them) to achieve a stereo image with a pair of omnis or directional mics (subcard, card, hyper/super, even figure-8). With neither, you've just got redundancy... not stereo.
- Jason
or, if you get a decent mic, just 'trick' it into being stereo, by running tyhe mono end into a mon>stereo adaptrer from your local radio shack
2 mics are the real deal tho, but thats how i started some 9-10 years ago
I suggest the single point stereo mic. They are cheap and pretty effective. Look here:
http://www.american-digital.com/prodsite/default.asp?source=TTAPES
Quote from: Bean on January 11, 2006, 02:02:14 AMor, if you get a decent mic, just 'trick' it into being stereo, by running tyhe mono end into a mon>stereo adaptrer from your local radio shack
Dual mono != stereo.
Quote from: Jason Reiser on January 10, 2006, 09:51:35 PM
Do some reading around here, and if you have the scratch, consider picking up a copy of the New Stereo Soundbook. It's a bit pricy, but a very good education on stereo sound concepts and techniques.
- Jason
Great book. I keep it in the "office" to look at when I go to do my "business". Would defintiely recommend it.
-B
I agree with at least using two mics (suggest spaced omni HRTF baffled mic configuration).
Here's a live sound recording tips page many find quite useful. With links to samples, gear, and discussion FAQ of various live sound mic'g methods: www.sonicstudios.com/tips.htm (http://www.sonicstudios.com/tips.htm)
Quote from: poppag76 on January 11, 2006, 09:45:19 AM
I suggest the single point stereo mic. They are cheap and pretty effective. Look here:
http://www.american-digital.com/prodsite/default.asp?source=TTAPES
I second that. I started with an Audio Technica 822 that I bought at Guitar Center. Decent quality stereo mic and totally brainless to use.
I agree Jason, you need some angle or space to yeild a decent stereo image. Not to say you Jason, but people who get out the protractor and ruler to make a perfect ORTF DIN etc really bother me. Here they are in a shitty club 15' off center, a giant pole directly to the left..(not to mention the horrible sound guy!) you get my point. Sometimes you need to improvise. I don't always run "accepted" patterns. In an ideal location, true patterns are best and yield the most accurate imagine, I understand, but a lot of times when I don't have a choice where I am I run hypers and just aim them at the outside of the stacks. my .02
Sorry for the rant.
tell it like it is. I dont really see the point of strict patterns either, in a lot of PA taping situations.
I also found that listening to pa tapes ive made , the fact of them being 24 bit only enhanced the reasons that I dont like some PA taping to begin with. 16 bit, PAS ;) I can see that in an onstage or acoustic type situation adhering to placement conventions would make a pretty big difference
but from what ive heard and the little that I have learned, the music is so processed, filtered, baffled, drugged, smoked, blasted through 100 dollar PA speakers , rode hard and put away wet.......how would strict techniques make much of a difference???acoustic is where its at..or stage lip.
Quote from: jhurlbs81 on January 19, 2006, 07:52:00 PM
I agree Jason, you need some angle or space to yeild a decent stereo image. Not to say you Jason, but people who get out the protractor and ruler to make a perfect ORTF DIN etc really bother me. Here they are in a shitty club 15' off center, a giant pole directly to the left..(not to mention the horrible sound guy!) you get my point. Sometimes you need to improvise. I don't always run "accepted" patterns. In an ideal location, true patterns are best and yield the most accurate imagine, I understand, but a lot of times when I don't have a choice where I am I run hypers and just aim them at the outside of the stacks. my .02
Sorry for the rant.
3gendmb - If you are interested in picking up an AT822 (the mic mentioned in this thread) please let me know. I'll be selling one used really soon, and I'd give you a good price. It's less than a month old and it's only been used a couple of times. Send me a PM if you are interested.