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Gear / Technical Help => Ask The Tapers => Topic started by: gmm6797 on January 28, 2008, 08:29:35 PM
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I am just finishing converting my DAT masters to WAV files (and then CD).
My next project is the cassette tape to WAV conversion of my master tapes (spanning 1986-1997).
I plan to use my Sony WM-D6C as my playback deck (been collecting dust since 1997), and my problem is where how to go to WAV file with the best D>A. Here are my options:
1) Sony WM-D6C > Radio Shack 1/8" to 1/8" cable > Edirol R-09
2) Sony WM-D6C > TS.com bought 1/8">RCA > Marantz PMD-671
3) Sony WM-D6C > TS.com bought 1/8">RCA > Sony PCM-R300 (just for the A>D) > digi-coax cable > Marantz PMD-671
or some combination of these units:
Sony PCM-R300, Marantz PMD-671, Edirol R-09
being played out of the Sony WM-D6C.
Ideas? Thoughts? Suggestions? I am open to anything but spending tons and tons of money ;D
Thanks in advance.
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My next project is the cassette tape to WAV conversion of my master tapes (spanning 1986-1997).
I plan to use my Sony WM-D6C as my playback deck (been collecting dust since 1997), and my problem is where how to go to WAV file with the best D>A. Here are my options:
2) Sony WM-D6C > TS.com bought 1/8">RCA > Marantz PMD-671
With your current gear, I'd go this route, because the 671 can record in 24/96, giving you more headroom for editing in post. There's no benefit of involving the Sony R300, since it could only feed 20/48 at best.
Two suggestions though:
1. Consider getting a tape deck where you can adjust the azimuth manually. I know the standard recommendation is to always play the tapes on the deck where you initially recorded them, but the alignment of the D6 might have moved over time. These has also been posts here at TS warning for flutter in the very beginning/end of the tapes, that is accentuated by portable decks like the D6 (or D3, which I used to run). Search the forum!
2. I don't own a 671 myself, but I guess you would minimize losses on the analog stage and get better control of the input by running high-end XLR cables instead. YMMV.
/Jan
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My next project is the cassette tape to WAV conversion of my master tapes (spanning 1986-1997).
I plan to use my Sony WM-D6C as my playback deck (been collecting dust since 1997), and my problem is where how to go to WAV file with the best D>A. Here are my options:
2) Sony WM-D6C > TS.com bought 1/8">RCA > Marantz PMD-671
With your current gear, I'd go this route, because the 671 can record in 24/96, giving you more headroom for editing in post. There's no benefit of involving the Sony R300, since it could only feed 20/48 at best.
Two suggestions though:
1. Consider getting a tape deck where you can adjust the azimuth manually. I know the standard recommendation is to always play the tapes on the deck where you initially recorded them, but the alignment of the D6 might have moved over time. These has also been posts here at TS warning for flutter in the very beginning/end of the tapes, that is accentuated by portable decks like the D6 (or D3, which I used to run). Search the forum!
2. I don't own a 671 myself, but I guess you would minimize losses on the analog stage and get better control of the input by running high-end XLR cables instead. YMMV.
/Jan
Agree - Im not against trying take on the D6 for comparison, but that's a noisy little beast - and I wouldn't advise tinkering with the azimuth on that model.
But - I would be wanting to make sure the azimuth was dialed in - you can do this on most any cassette deck - just have to pop the door cover off to get to the set screws. I prefer single-direction decks for remastering over auto-reverse models.
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Thanks for the suggestions, but I am not one to open up decks and mess with them... as I will only make them worse.
I also have a early 90s model Onkyo dual deck unit out on loan, do you think that would be better? I could then go RCA out of the onkyo to RCA in on the 671
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Any chance you could borrow a Nak cass deck from someone? If you could do that, clean the heads, demag, and go rca's > 671, you would be all set, imo. I have a Nak DR-2 sitting in storage, but I'm a long way from Rochester.
Harold
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i agree get a nak tape deck with azimuth adjustment control. and so straight into the 671 at 24/48 or more. i'm using a nak mr-1 to playback cassettes and i love it.
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any idea on the tape deck model number(s)?
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any idea on the tape deck model number(s)?
http://www.vintagecassette.com/zearch?query=azimuth
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any idea on the tape deck model number(s)?
http://www.vintagecassette.com/zearch?query=azimuth
This list doen't help much, because it also lists the decks with adjustable RECORD head azimuth. There are only three decks though that feature PLAYBACK head azimuth adjustment on the front of the deck: Nak CR-7, DR-1 and CD-1. The Dragon has an automatic PB head az correction system called 'NAAC'.
Bascially azimuth adjustment is possible with any deck (not just Naks) if you remove the cassette door and adjust the adjustment screw on the head block using a screwdriver.
Have you done a search yet? This subject was discussed several times already here.
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any idea on the tape deck model number(s)?
http://www.vintagecassette.com/zearch?query=azimuth
This list doen't help much, because it also lists the decks with adjustable RECORD head azimuth.
Yeah, I know, but on the landing page for the search you also have checkboxes with filters for manual playback azimuth. Which will come up with the shortlist you just mentioned.
The site refused to provide a proper URL to each filter, because of paranoid HTML coding of the web site. But I figured most ppl would be smart enough to click on the individual models and read up on the feature sets before jumping the gun...
/Jan
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Ahh yes, just saw that. ;D
Anyway, it's still worth mentioning, because you often see people advertising their decks with "this has azimuth adjustment" etc. when it's actually just the record head that is adjustable, which is of course useless for playback, and some people buy those decks thinking they could properly digitize their tapes with them.
For example the Nakamichi ZX series decks have three discrete heads, with the record head az adjustment on the front panel, but PB az adjustment needs to be done on the head block.
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Ahh yes, just saw that. ;D
Anyway, it's still worth mentioning, because you often see people advertising their decks with "this has azimuth adjustment" etc. when it's actually just the record head that is adjustable, which is of course useless for playback, and some people buy those decks thinking they could properly digitize their tapes with them.
For example the Nakamichi ZX series decks have three discrete heads, with the record head az adjustment on the front panel, but PB az adjustment needs to be done on the head block.
this is a very good point. i almost bought a deck that had record azimuth adjustment only because i did not do the research. luckly i had someone stop me before i starting bidding on the deck. i found that naks.com has alot of info and links about cass. decks.
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Thanks for all of the good info, I am still looking and researching, so feel free to keep adding 2 cents :)
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I would use almost any other deck than the d6... That has a dc brush motor and has noise that the 24/96 will pick up on playback... I would definitely do the 24/96 with the 671 for sure..
Try to get a dr-1 nak.. The azimuth thing is important but if it is in service it will be much better than the d6
Look to get a dr-8 or a bx-3 anything... Have it serviced if it is in good service it will work for you.. Azimuth adjust is tricky on a cassette without azimuth tones lade down with out an 0-scope...
A :-)
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I would use almost any other deck than the d6... That has a dc brush motor and has noise that the 24/96 will pick up on playback...
Thanks for the input, that is good to know, but bad for my bottom line :(
I own one of these too, Onkyo TA-RW544, just a generic Circuit City deck, anyone know anything about these worth noting?
Guess I never realized this would be a pain in the butt... but to get it right is better IMHO
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Bascially azimuth adjustment is possible with any deck (not just Naks) if you remove the cassette door and adjust the adjustment screw on the head block using a screwdriver.
One more thing worth noting: use a plastic/non-magnetic screwdriver when messing with the head: http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,44898.0.html
Any steel/magnetic screwdriver will risk ruining the head permanently.
/Jan
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I would use almost any other deck than the d6... That has a dc brush motor and has noise that the 24/96 will pick up on playback...
Thanks for the input, that is good to know, but bad for my bottom line :(
I own one of these too, Onkyo TA-RW544, just a generic Circuit City deck, anyone know anything about these worth noting?
Guess I never realized this would be a pain in the butt... but to get it right is better IMHO
Well, the playback deck in your transferring chain is about the equivalent to what the mics are in a taping rig. It's the most important part. You want to get as much "quality" as possible out of the source, i.e. the tape, because the information that's lost here cannot be regained even with a $ 1k ADC.
Seriously the ADC, sample rate and word lenghts aren't all that important, but you'll only get a nice clean, low noise transfer if you use a high quality, properly calibrated and adjust the azimuth.
If you don't want to or can't afford a good deck, why not ask someone else who has some experience with tape transferring to digitize your masters? You will certainly find someone trustworthy here on this board.
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Thanks for all of the good info, I am still looking and researching, so feel free to keep adding 2 cents :)
If you have an extra ~$899.00 lying around, with nothing better to do with it, you can buy this Nak Dragon for sale at audiogon.com:
http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?misccass&1206899272
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If you don't want to or can't afford a good deck, why not ask someone else who has some experience with tape transferring to digitize your masters? You will certainly find someone trustworthy here on this board.
Oh, I want, just not able to afford at the moment (or few months)... I have 11 years of master cassette tapes made with a little bit of everything (deck wise) and only the last 3 years with decent (not excellent) gear. Many of the recordings were made with RS, Sony or Awia walkmen and their included tie-clip style mics (if only TS was around when I was 16 and trying out this hobby I have been messing with for 22 years).
The Dragon is a nice deck, but unless I unload my Schoeps, that deck is out of reach for a while.
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look at something like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-CR-3A-Single-Cassette-Deck-Tape-Player-3-Head_W0QQitemZ140206361386QQihZ004QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/Nakamichi-CR-3A-Single-Cassette-Deck-Tape-Player-3-Head_W0QQitemZ140206361386QQihZ004QQcategoryZ4784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)they sell for about $100
3heads
Have it serviced!
or something like this
http://cgi.ebay.com/TASCAM-112-MK-II-PRODUCTION-CASSETTE-DECK_W0QQitemZ220199728680QQihZ012QQcategoryZ41480QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
(http://cgi.ebay.com/TASCAM-112-MK-II-PRODUCTION-CASSETTE-DECK_W0QQitemZ220199728680QQihZ012QQcategoryZ41480QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
This you can mod with a drill to make the azimuth control screw accessible through the front...
But again setting azimuth is tough to do without tones...
A
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after my last Sony D5 crapped out
I got a Tascam 112 MKII to do my tape transfers
I am still using it now to do some of my better masters at 24 Bit
that machine is built like a tank
one of the best investments I ever made
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Thanks +T