Topic: Edirol R09HR

[powermonkey]

I'll record a few bits and pieces tomorrow, with the same settings on my old R09 and on my new one. I'm not the most technologically minded chap, but hopefully that will give you at least an idea of self-noise and whatnot.

[calvinroots]

I'm with you Justink...I'll be just fine with my R-09 for awhile.  Only "improvement that I care about is the 24/96, but how will that be?  There was a lot of discussion on how much improvement the 24/48 was over the 16/44.1 on the R-09.  I would like to see some people do some tests.  I have no problem with my Battery door (I am carefull), no need for a tiny speaker, no desire to have inputs on the side, no real concern with internal mics, no need for a bigger screen, hhhhmmmmm what else....the rubbery finish sounds cool     

ps - 0-80 input range just seems a bit unneccesary ...am i crazy???

PEACE

[dactylus]

Any word yet on when these will be available in the USA?


 

[rastasean]

Well, for me I am considering the HR just because its new and I don't have a small CF recorder. 

I understand people love, love their 09 and I personally thought I would never go with this thing that has a tiny screen and something that frankly looks like a shaver from the '90s! I've come around and realized its one of the better affordable (under $400) recorders out there and now I am interested in its newer brother. Of course, I don't want to be the first buyer of it since it may have some issues with it but I'd be interested in owning one.

I still have some time to save my clams up for this so I'll be digging around for any information on this and listening to reviews of it.

Thanks for any help!!

-Sean

[illconditioned]

I'll record a few bits and pieces tomorrow, with the same settings on my old R09 and on my new one. I'm not the most technologically minded chap, but hopefully that will give you at least an idea of self-noise and whatnot.

Thanks!

An easy way to do this is to use the same mics and record the same sound (eg., a clock ticking) with two different recorders.  You can amplify/normalize in post, to make both samples have equal volume.  The difference in "self noise" or "hiss" will be due the difference in recorders.

Note: don't use a pre or anything in front, just plug a mic (or mic + batt box) in and go from there.

   Richard

[bgalizio]

I'll record a few bits and pieces tomorrow, with the same settings on my old R09 and on my new one. I'm not the most technologically minded chap, but hopefully that will give you at least an idea of self-noise and whatnot.

Thanks!

An easy way to do this is to use the same mics and record the same sound (eg., a clock ticking) with two different recorders.  You can amplify/normalize in post, to make both samples have equal volume.  The difference in "self noise" or "hiss" will be due the difference in recorders.

Note: don't use a pre or anything in front, just plug a mic (or mic + batt box) in and go from there.

   Richard

If you could do some line-in testing that would be great too. Maybe record your stereo playing the same track with the mics etc. in the same position. Then switch the recorders. That would give some kind of an ADC comparison, though not exactly ideal.

[powermonkey]

Right. I'll pick a tune, record a minute or two line in (at 16/44.1 and 24/48 on the two R09s). Then I'll go mics > R09 and do the same, same settings. Then mics > pre > line-in. Then internal mics. Come to think about it, I'll get some 24/96 examples too.

The HR comes with a little transparent plastic stand, so I'll at least be able to keep it in the same place when trying the internal mics at home.

Won't be until this afternoon, but I'll have a go.
 

[powermonkey]

Right. Some samples. Not very scientifically accurate, but there you go:

http://download.yousendit.com/9003DFCF3F607660

All flacs, all the first minute of '16 Days' from the newly released Whiskeytown - Strangers Almanac reissue. Mics attached to glasses, glasses propped up in front of stereo. All recorded at full input volume (30 on R09, 80 on R09 HR). All normalised to 0db.

Includes:

- R09 (CA stc-11>mic in) 24/48
- R09 HR (CA stc-11>mic in) 24/48
- R09 HR (CA stc-11>mic in) 24/96
- R09 HR (CA stc-11 > FEL pre > line in) 24/48
- R09 HR (CA stc-11 > FEL pre > line in) 24/96

Hope those help a little until a more professional, and infinitely more useful comparison.

[ironbut]

Thanks powermonkey. Both of the 24/96 samples have more air around the instruments. Better pace too (the tempo seemed like it dragged a bit on the 24/48 in comparison). I actually kinda prefered the sound of the violin with the 09 but that doesn't mean it was more accurate. Very helpful.

[powermonkey]

I think the only way I'm going to get a good sense of the HR is to get out and tape. I'm out tomorrow for an acoustic show by some good friends of mine. Little concerned about settings - don't want to piss about while the band are on, and I think they might be opening. I've had a go at getting a sense of what's what in front of my stereo, but that's not going to be anywhere close - even to an (amplified) acoustic show.

Will report back with samples, hopefully.

[digifish_music]

Right. Some samples. Not very scientifically accurate, but there you go:

http://download.yousendit.com/9003DFCF3F607660

All flacs, all the first minute of '16 Days' from the newly released Whiskeytown - Strangers Almanac reissue. Mics attached to glasses, glasses propped up in front of stereo. All recorded at full input volume (30 on R09, 80 on R09 HR). All normalised to 0db.

Includes:

- R09 (CA stc-11>mic in) 24/48
- R09 HR (CA stc-11>mic in) 24/48
- R09 HR (CA stc-11>mic in) 24/96
- R09 HR (CA stc-11 > FEL pre > line in) 24/48
- R09 HR (CA stc-11 > FEL pre > line in) 24/96

Hope those help a little until a more professional, and infinitely more useful comparison.

Big +T

Could you do the same thing with a quiet source (like the ticking clock example) 24 bit, 44.1 with the gain cranked on both units, high sensitivity, using the inboard mics?

digifish.

[powermonkey]

Right. Some samples. Not very scientifically accurate, but there you go:

http://download.yousendit.com/9003DFCF3F607660

All flacs, all the first minute of '16 Days' from the newly released Whiskeytown - Strangers Almanac reissue. Mics attached to glasses, glasses propped up in front of stereo. All recorded at full input volume (30 on R09, 80 on R09 HR). All normalised to 0db.

Includes:

- R09 (CA stc-11>mic in) 24/48
- R09 HR (CA stc-11>mic in) 24/48
- R09 HR (CA stc-11>mic in) 24/96
- R09 HR (CA stc-11 > FEL pre > line in) 24/48
- R09 HR (CA stc-11 > FEL pre > line in) 24/96

Hope those help a little until a more professional, and infinitely more useful comparison.

Big +T

Could you do the same thing with a quiet source (like the ticking clock example) 24 bit, 44.1 with the gain cranked on both units, high sensitivity, using the inboard mics?

digifish.

24/44.1, mic hi, full gain, internal mics. Gotcha.
 

[powermonkey]

http://download.yousendit.com/711E225062932395

Clock ticking:

R09 - 24/44.1, internal mics, high gain on, full input
R09 - 24/44.1, internal mics, high gain on, full input (normalised to 0db)

R09 HR - 24/44.1, internal mics, high gain on, full input
R09 HR - 24/44.1, internal mics, high gain on, full input (normalised to 0db)

Enjoy! My finest tape yet!
 

[digifish_music]

http://download.yousendit.com/711E225062932395

Clock ticking:

R09 - 24/44.1, internal mics, high gain on, full input
R09 - 24/44.1, internal mics, high gain on, full input (normalised to 0db)

R09 HR - 24/44.1, internal mics, high gain on, full input
R09 HR - 24/44.1, internal mics, high gain on, full input (normalised to 0db)

Enjoy! My finest tape yet!
 

Wow, perfect...and I am all out of +T's for you today

Downloading now...

EDIT: OK, that's a considerable improvement. The spectrum analyzer also shows a much cleaner signal, free of digital inteference too. The image below is the normalized samples.



Thanks. I'd Better order one, I can also hear you breathing, swallowing and the neighbor flushing the toilet I think

digifish

[powermonkey]

Haha.... very rarely will you find a more scientific experiment! Laboratory conditions all the way!