Interesting comp

[stirinthesauce]

Not intended to be "this setup is better than that setup" but rather to hear the differences between different gear combos.  These were all on the same stand, fob, at moe.  All sound very nice.

http://www.archive.org/details/moe2008-04-11..flac
Beyer ck3>cv800>minime>hd-p2(24/44.1)  *NOS*

http://www.archive.org/details/moe2008-04-11.dpa4023
DPA 4023(ORTF)->Lunatec ACM V3->Sound Devices 722

http://www.archive.org/details/moe2008-04-11.ca-14.flac16
Church Audio CA-14 (NOS) > Church Audio CA-9100 > Edirol R-09 (24/44.1)

http://www.archive.org/details/moe2008-04-11.schoeps_midside
Schoeps MK4/MK8 (mid/side) > CMC6 > Kynd Kables > Busman T-Mod R4 Pro


http://www.archive.org/details/moe2008-04-11.4060
DPA 4060 > Oade ACM Tascam HD-P2 (24/48) *this one was about 8 feet right of us on another stand*

all different mic>pre pairings.  3 sets of cards (one of which is Chris Church's brand new all original designed mics), one mid side setup, and a pair of split omnis.  Enjoy!   

[RebelRebel]

Not intended to be "this setup is better than that setup" but rather to hear the differences between different gear combos.  These were all on the same stand, fob, at moe.  All sound very nice.

http://www.archive.org/details/moe2008-04-11..flac
Beyer ck3>cv800>minime>hd-p2(24/44.1)  *NOS*

http://www.archive.org/details/moe2008-04-11.dpa4023
DPA 4023(ORTF)->Lunatec ACM V3->Sound Devices 722

http://www.archive.org/details/moe2008-04-11.ca-14.flac16
Church Audio CA-14 (NOS) > Church Audio CA-9100 > Edirol R-09 (24/44.1)

http://www.archive.org/details/moe2008-04-11.schoeps_midside
Schoeps MK4/MK8 (mid/side) > CMC6 > Kynd Kables > Busman T-Mod R4 Pro


http://www.archive.org/details/moe2008-04-11.4060
DPA 4060 > Oade ACM Tascam HD-P2 (24/48) *this one was about 8 feet right of us on another stand*

all different mic>pre pairings.  3 sets of cards (one of which is Chris Church's brand new all original designed mics), one mid side setup, and a pair of split omnis.  Enjoy!   

if you used a certain set of mic cables on one of the rigs, that rig would win easy, even at 16 bit. it has been proven. 

just being facetious..thanks for the comparison, bud.

[deadheaded]

you must be talking about that kynd brand of cables.

[halleyscomet8]

so i have listened to all of these pretty thoroughly i these are my thoughts

i like this one the best. first time hearing 4023>acm v3 and i like it

http://www.archive.org/details/moe2008-04-11.dpa4023
DPA 4023(ORTF)->Lunatec ACM V3->Sound Devices 722

next is the beyer source. i have always liked the apogee pres with moe.

http://www.archive.org/details/moe2008-04-11..flac
Beyer ck3>cv800>minime>hd-p2(24/44.1)  *NOS*

i am blown away by how good the CA mics sound.this is the first time i have listened to any of chris's mics and i think they are great for the $$

http://www.archive.org/details/moe2008-04-11.ca-14.flac16
Church Audio CA-14 (NOS) > Church Audio CA-9100 > Edirol R-09 (24/44.1)

i think m/s can be hit or miss sometimes.

http://www.archive.org/details/moe2008-04-11.schoeps_midside
Schoeps MK4/MK8 (mid/side) > CMC6 > Kynd Kables > Busman T-Mod R4 Pro

i think the fact this stand was off to the side makes huge difference. being in the right spot can make all the difference. especially when it comes to the chatters.

http://www.archive.org/details/moe2008-04-11.4060
DPA 4060 > Oade ACM Tascam HD-P2 (24/48) *this one was about 8 feet right of us on another stand*

[newplanet7]

My top two choices are the Beyers and the 4023's.
They both sound a lot more fat all around especially in the low end.

The others sound tinny to me.

EDIT: Thanks for pointing out the comp.

[Church-Audio]

Not intended to be "this setup is better than that setup" but rather to hear the differences between different gear combos.  These were all on the same stand, fob, at moe.  All sound very nice.

http://www.archive.org/details/moe2008-04-11..flac
Beyer ck3>cv800>minime>hd-p2(24/44.1)  *NOS*

http://www.archive.org/details/moe2008-04-11.dpa4023
DPA 4023(ORTF)->Lunatec ACM V3->Sound Devices 722

http://www.archive.org/details/moe2008-04-11.ca-14.flac16
Church Audio CA-14 (NOS) > Church Audio CA-9100 > Edirol R-09 (24/44.1)

http://www.archive.org/details/moe2008-04-11.schoeps_midside
Schoeps MK4/MK8 (mid/side) > CMC6 > Kynd Kables > Busman T-Mod R4 Pro


http://www.archive.org/details/moe2008-04-11.4060
DPA 4060 > Oade ACM Tascam HD-P2 (24/48) *this one was about 8 feet right of us on another stand*

all different mic>pre pairings.  3 sets of cards (one of which is Chris Church's brand new all original designed mics), one mid side setup, and a pair of split omnis.  Enjoy!   

1- Schoeps ( Balanced spectral content ) but not as good of a stereo image.
2- Beyer ( Great stereo image but not quite as balanced frequency wise )
3- CA-14'S ( lacking a bit of bottom end but nice smooth top end and mid range ) * pats him self on the back *
4- DPA * ( I found these to sound dull and muddy I am pretty sure this is a 4 again because of mic technique )


From hearing this recording I would say you were about 50' back from the pa off center. The house mix was ok but not perfect. I would say it was actually a bit vocal heavy. If the vocals came down just a bit the mix would be more together.

To be honest I did not listen to the DPA 4060 only because its omni and thats not really a fair comp.

Thanks for doing this comp.

Chris

[gtalife]

Tough one to call...all sound great!

.....CA-14's, DPA 4023, Beyer ck3 tied for 1st...too close to call!

[orechall]

just so everyone knows we were front of the board dfc right at 30 feet from the stage

[stirinthesauce]

Chris, I agree on the mix.  A little vocal heavy, but a good effort overall.  Much better than alot of touring live engineers I hear on a regular basis.  I think alot are deaf, and make me deaf with their over compensation in the hf to overcome their lack thereof.

[Church-Audio]

Chris, I agree on the mix.  A little vocal heavy, but a good effort overall.  Much better than alot of touring live engineers I hear on a regular basis.  I think alot are deaf, and make me deaf with their over compensation in the hf to overcome their lack thereof.

Yep these guys also forget about Fletcher Munson. When I turn up I turn down my HF outputs on my xover. But a lot of Sound engineers dont.. You see them get louder and louder and nobody is reaching for the top end on the system to reduce top end. A lot of them think its all liner but its not the louder you go the less top end you need. If more engineers would think that way the world would be a much better place. The mix overall was not bad I thought the drums lacked the kind of punch that I would put into them. But overall the tonality of the vocals were nice just a wee bit loud. I guess its better to have loud vocals then drums that drowned everything out. Its always a fine balance. One things for sure when I started doing sound with Martin Audio Pa systems.. You had to work your ass off to get a good sound. Now its so easy I can tune a well set up system in 5 minutes and have a full sound check done in less then 10 minutes. In the good old days it could take me at least 20 minutes + to tune the system + soldering time One always had to have a tool kit and a phase checker lol.. We have come along way but I think engineers are spoiled * they have it too easy * there was alot to be said about getting off your ass and having to fix something before you could even do a sound check. I remember one bar that had a big old Butterfly system that had been installed for over 6 years. I came in and with in about 10 seconds I knew the bottom end was out of phase folded horn bass bins dont produce much bass when they are phased reversed ( the problem was simple the inputs to the amp were RTS and the R was + the tip - The sound company was running the inputs * unbalanced * that meant the amps for the bottom end were 180 degrees out from the mids and highs... I fixed it my drummer hit the kick drum the bar owner came over and said what the hell did you do to my sound system! its sounds great. Now most of these guys just turn knobs they dont really understand the real nuts and bolts of it. I think understanding the nuts and bolts makes you a better engineer. But I also think you can also get to tied up in nuts and bolts and forget about the art side of things. Its like a good mix being a good engineer is a very fine balance of both sides.

Sorry to go off on a tangent lol.. I just thought I would share my little story of the day lol..

Thanks again for taking the time to do this comp.

Chris

[stirinthesauce]

Thanks again for taking the time to do this comp.

Chris

No problem.  The real thanks is to everyone uploading their sources.  Alot of shows I go to, it's all schoeps and the occasional neumanns all into 7xx.  Here, we had a diverse set of rigs all on the same stand running different pre's and different ad's so folks can get a feel for what sounds pleasing to their ears.  Everyone prefers a different sonic signature.

[RebelRebel]

you must be talking about that kynd brand of cables.

actually, I was just poking fun at this

Hope you are well, Ed! Hows your health?