Topic: record is so "loud" that it destroys vinyl press

[rhinowing]

how the heck does this happen?

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/page/news/50482-a-place-to-bury-strangers-too-loud-for-record-press

According to an NME.com story confirmed by a publicist, the "red noise levels" on the master tape for "Gash" were so high that the process of transferring them to disc resulted in the destruction of the equipment manufacturing the record. To add insult to injury, the press was one of the few 10" presses left in the UK. You guys ever think about turning it down just a notch?

[Church-Audio]

how the heck does this happen?

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/page/news/50482-a-place-to-bury-strangers-too-loud-for-record-press

According to an NME.com story confirmed by a publicist, the "red noise levels" on the master tape for "Gash" were so high that the process of transferring them to disc resulted in the destruction of the equipment manufacturing the record. To add insult to injury, the press was one of the few 10" presses left in the UK. You guys ever think about turning it down just a notch?

Sounds like BS to me.. When your dumping something down to a lathe you have control of the levels. I have never ran a press before but I am pretty sure unless the person doing it was a moron that this could not happen.

[rokpunk]

Looks like they turned it to 11 and recorded in Dobly.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QodpxbSMs_4

[TNJazz]

how the heck does this happen?

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/page/news/50482-a-place-to-bury-strangers-too-loud-for-record-press

According to an NME.com story confirmed by a publicist, the "red noise levels" on the master tape for "Gash" were so high that the process of transferring them to disc resulted in the destruction of the equipment manufacturing the record. To add insult to injury, the press was one of the few 10" presses left in the UK. You guys ever think about turning it down just a notch?

Sounds like BS to me.. When your dumping something down to a lathe you have control of the levels. I have never ran a press before but I am pretty sure unless the person doing it was a moron that this could not happen.

Yep.  Kinda makes you want to go out and buy it to see what all the hype is about, doesn't it?  

[rhinowing]

how the heck does this happen?

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/page/news/50482-a-place-to-bury-strangers-too-loud-for-record-press

According to an NME.com story confirmed by a publicist, the "red noise levels" on the master tape for "Gash" were so high that the process of transferring them to disc resulted in the destruction of the equipment manufacturing the record. To add insult to injury, the press was one of the few 10" presses left in the UK. You guys ever think about turning it down just a notch?

Sounds like BS to me.. When your dumping something down to a lathe you have control of the levels. I have never ran a press before but I am pretty sure unless the person doing it was a moron that this could not happen.

Yep.  Kinda makes you want to go out and buy it to see what all the hype is about, doesn't it?   

they're actually a really good band...They remind of Jesus and Mary Chain a lot. They're also one of the few bands that I feel uses clipping constructively when they master their records.

[rokpunk]

they're actually a really good band...They remind of Jesus and Mary Chain a lot. They're also one of the few bands that I feel uses clipping constructively when they master their records.

constructively using distortion and actually clipping are two different things.
no engineer anywhere is going to tell you that clipping, digitally or not, is a good thing.
the j&mc were masters of distortion, and their albums were recorded fairly well.

[rhinowing]

they're actually a really good band...They remind of Jesus and Mary Chain a lot. They're also one of the few bands that I feel uses clipping constructively when they master their records.

constructively using distortion and actually clipping are two different things.
no engineer anywhere is going to tell you that clipping, digitally or not, is a good thing.
the j&mc were masters of distortion, and their albums were recorded fairly well.

of couse analog clipping can be a good thing...this is one of the best examples: http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/les_rallizes_denudes/77_live/

edit-maybe I am missing the technical difference between distortion and clipping...but I mean purposefully pushing the tape levels way into the red.

[DSatz]

Total ignorant bullshit. A vinyl press isn't affected by the modulation levels on the discs it's pressing.

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[cleantone]

I have heard about lathes breaking from loud music. What I had heard was a long time ago and I can't recal details. I think it was tales from the early early days of mastering though. So I think it might be possible. It does mean that the vinyl mastering (pressing) engineer probably made mistakes. Or the equiptment failed somehow.

[RebelRebel]

they're actually a really good band...They remind of Jesus and Mary Chain a lot. They're also one of the few bands that I feel uses clipping constructively when they master their records.

constructively using distortion and actually clipping are two different things.
no engineer anywhere is going to tell you that clipping, digitally or not, is a good thing.
the j&mc were masters of distortion, and their albums were recorded fairly well.

Ive heard of some engineers that will clip the hell out of their AD converters and enjoy doing it...of course given the state of music today , that isnt really something I would desire to do. Most modern records sound horrible.

[Church-Audio]

they're actually a really good band...They remind of Jesus and Mary Chain a lot. They're also one of the few bands that I feel uses clipping constructively when they master their records.

constructively using distortion and actually clipping are two different things.
no engineer anywhere is going to tell you that clipping, digitally or not, is a good thing.
the j&mc were masters of distortion, and their albums were recorded fairly well.

Ive heard of some engineers that will clip the hell out of their AD converters and enjoy doing it...of course given the state of music today , that isnt really something I would desire to do. Most modern records sound horrible.

This volume thing is for the most part the only way a shit engineer can make anything sound "supposedly" better. Gone are the days when engineers worked with dynamics. Most of these engineers I would not let mix a cake never mind a band. It also happens in the live engineering field too.. These guys think yeah its loud! and man doesn't it sound good.. Ask these same engineers to mix a 90db show and they are lost for the most part because they dont have any hearing left. Half of these snotty nosed engineers grew up with plug-ins. They dont even know how to use a real compressor. Yep they take the plug-ins and link them all up into a big pile of shit then they pump that pile of shit into a A-D and then send the hot steaming turd over to a poor mastering engineer. Who then tries really hard to hide all the distortion and CRAP that the deaf studio engineer did. In the end its just a shit sandwich

[RebelRebel]

per the original question, and from what I know about lathes, (it isnt much)..it is possible to blow the cutter coil(basically a record cart in reverse), especially when you are dealing with High Frequencies at high levels.

[Scooter]

a lathe and a press are two diff beast!

[cleantone]

You have to actually cut the master that is used to make the plates that are used to squish the ball. This is where the term mastering engineer was created. They used to wear labcoats and goggles and shit too.

[TNJazz]

This volume thing is for the most part the only way a shit engineer can make anything sound "supposedly" better. Gone are the days when engineers worked with dynamics. Most of these engineers I would not let mix a cake never mind a band.

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