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WHAT is happening in this wav?
« on: July 17, 2008, 09:42:10 AM »
From an on-the-fly matrix - This sounds like a brief static zip - I thought maybe the singers mic channel overloaded...but this looks different.

Im thinking pencil tool...
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Re: WHAT is happening in this wav?
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2008, 10:34:20 AM »
What is happening at each of those peaks?  A drum hit, singing?
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Re: WHAT is happening in this wav?
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2008, 11:39:34 AM »


I'd guess analog clip.
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Re: WHAT is happening in this wav?
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2008, 05:34:56 PM »
I believe the 722 suffered the same issue at one point.  When you'd hit digital 0/over, it would invert the signal instead of the "table top" look.  They fixed it in firmware:

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Re: WHAT is happening in this wav?
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2008, 06:02:18 PM »
Just to expand a bit...

This was using the JB3s A/D...fed from my mixers RCAs...

Overall - the levels look fine, in not a bit conservative. There is no obvious looking clip.

The segment above (where the zap occurs) is actually just a fraction of a second of singing - check the times

Its definitely associated with the vocals...Im thinking this actually came from the soundmans mixer - the vocal channel may have red-lighted.

Another competing theory...dont laugh (actually do!)

The sound man had one of those little rotating pizza ovens and was running it off the same electric as the PA.

I hear a few pops in this recording that Im certain are the pizza oven cycling on and off.

Im wondering if an oven pop combined with a vocal peak might make this happen. (I haven't examined any of the pops yet...if they are similar, that might be it...)
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Re: WHAT is happening in this wav?
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2008, 06:16:03 PM »
here's an mp3 sample of the moment...

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Re: WHAT is happening in this wav?
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2008, 06:19:19 PM »
overall view of the whole song...(this is the version that was normalized 3.3 db)

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Re: WHAT is happening in this wav?
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2008, 06:47:16 PM »
JB3 is HD...

I must say - Audacity Pencil tool rules! Cleaned this up very nicely...

Im really thinking this pizza oven may have been the culprit...

Here's the fixed segment...

http://www.rovingsign.com/hexbelt2008-07-12t12fix.mp3

Here's the original just for comparison - note the first blip doesnt really seem to sync with the vocal as much...(right after the "handful of pills" line)

http://www.rovingsign.com/hexbelt2008-07-12t12prefix.mp3

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Re: WHAT is happening in this wav?
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2008, 01:57:33 PM »
I've had that exact type of inverted spike before on a couple of my recordings - both SBD feeds.  One of those times, I am certain it was analog clipping from one of the drum (tom) channels on the SBD.  The other time, I think the output levels from a SBD feed I received were too hot and were clipping my R-4 Pro at the analog input stage.

 

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