Edirol R-09HR - Part THREE

[pgadams]

My brain is dead tonight.  I just upgraded firmware to v1.05.  How do I get the record light to turn off?   Thanks in advance for any help!

Go into Menu, Display Setup, and set Display Timer to 20 sec and set Rec/Peak LED to "Power Save". It will go off after 20 seconds.

20 seconds with the "hey, I'm taping here" light shining in the dark?
I'd choose the 2 seconds option ( after 2 seconds the Rec/Peak light will go off).
Take care.

Well I keep my rig in a small black bag so the light isn't very easy to see by other, and for me 2 seconds isn't long enough to really see what's going on with he Edirol. Personal choice I guess.

[daze]

thanks -- I knew I was totally overlooking something. 

[guitard]

Pulled a full show last night with my R-09HR for the first time.  It was a little over two hours long.  Pop music in a smallish arena (3-4 thousand seater - that was packed to the gills).  I was situated dead center, front row of the balcony - around 40 rows back from the stage.  They actually had a table set up for the first row - which turned out to be nice for recording - I just set the recorder and the mics on the front edge of the table and covered them with a jacket.

I used Coresound stealthy cartioids with a battery box.

For some reason, I can't get a decent signal using line in (tested this with a mic that has a battery box, and one without a battery box).  So I started out with the mic jack, mic gain on hi, and input at 60.  I quickly dropped the input to 45 after the show started - and left it there through out the show.  The levels looked good both on the Edirol and in my audio editor after I downloaded it.  Even though it seemed like the sound at the show didn't sound that great where I was sitting, the recording still turned OK.

Here are a few short samples:

a sample of an upbeat song:  http://media.putfile.com/JYPloud

a sample of a soft ballad:  http://media.putfile.com/JYPquiet

FYI:  This was not a band that sings in English - so if the lyrics sound kind of strange - that's why 

[carpa]

Just an easy question.
As I can understand, a battery box has to be used to power mics instead of using plug in power, while a preamp....it's a preamp.
So things should be:
External mics with battery box= mic input
Preamp = line input
In previous posts I've read that somebody uses mics+bb and goes into line-in. How can it be since a battery box just powers the mics and doesn't (as far as I know) boost the signal?
thank you
c

[Church-Audio]

Just an easy question.
As I can understand, a battery box has to be used to power mics instead of using plug in power, while a preamp....it's a preamp.
So things should be:
External mics with battery box= mic input
Preamp = line input
In previous posts I've read that somebody uses mics+bb and goes into line-in. How can it be since a battery box just powers the mics and doesn't (as far as I know) boost the signal?
thank you
c

The edirol only provides about 3.8 volts of bias power for your mics this is not enough power for most microphones.

The battery box is most often used with the line input because the mic input on most recorders tend to overload fairly easily because its a mic input and is more sensitive then the line input is.

So most tapers use the line input and a battery box for really loud shows and dont end up needing a preamp.

You can use a battery box with the mic input and get better bias voltage for your mics and then rely on the mic input for gain. The HR has a good mic preamp for most things.

A well designed mic preamp can power the mics and provide a lower noise recording then just the mic input alone.

In some cases you can also use a preamp on the mic input but you have to be careful not to get to much gain out of the preamp this would be useful in situations where there was really quiet things being recorded.

IMO an external preamp can be very handy but if you only tape really loud shows you might not need one.



Chris

[ziko]

My question is regarding sennMKE2's

I had a local guy who had a set of these used make me up them with a 1/8 in plug and loan them to me for the weekend. I recorded two shows on their maiden voyage. one at a coffeehouse sat. and the other blue grass firday night. sound was not loud by any means. I ran them plug in power on the high setting. they were set to 50 on the high setting. recordings on the quick check came out good. blue grass were worn on the hat and the coffee house were on glasses. are these settings normal??  I would say 80 on the low setting =about 40-45 on high with these mics. curious to what folks think. I would post a sample but unsure how

[Sunday Driver]

Anyone know what the "LMT 21:48" on the bottom right indicates? 

No, the "LMT" means you have the switch on the back set to "LIMITER", but have the option off in the menu.

[carpa]

Thank you very much Chris fot your explanation.
I think that one should look for the sensitivity of a mic for a better job without a preamp. I.e. a couple of rode nt1(phantom powered is more sensitive than a nt4 so they will provide a stronger signal.
Am I completely wrong?
In my case I have to tape classical music (mostly piano or piano and something else), so I think I'll neeeed a preamp.
thank you
c

[Church-Audio]

Thank you very much Chris fot your explanation.
I think that one should look for the sensitivity of a mic for a better job without a preamp. I.e. a couple of rode nt1(phantom powered is more sensitive than a nt4 so they will provide a stronger signal.
Am I completely wrong?
In my case I have to tape classical music (mostly piano or piano and something else), so I think I'll neeeed a preamp.
thank you
c

If you want the best S/N ratio then yes a preamp is a good idea.. You should also look at sensitive mics as well but be careful Classical music can get very loud you dont want something that will overload easley. Its always a fine balance.

Chris

[Church-Audio]

My question is regarding sennMKE2's

I had a local guy who had a set of these used make me up them with a 1/8 in plug and loan them to me for the weekend. I recorded two shows on their maiden voyage. one at a coffeehouse sat. and the other blue grass firday night. sound was not loud by any means. I ran them plug in power on the high setting. they were set to 50 on the high setting. recordings on the quick check came out good. blue grass were worn on the hat and the coffee house were on glasses. are these settings normal??  I would say 80 on the low setting =about 40-45 on high with these mics. curious to what folks think. I would post a sample but unsure how

To get the best out of your great mics you need a battery box.. Although the Mke2 will run from about 2.5 volts to 10 volts they are much more happy at 5 to 9 volts the edirol only puts out about 3.8 volts max. So can you get away with it Yes... Sometimes it will not be an issue but in a really loud situation a battery box at the very least would be advisable.

Take a look in the yardsale section battery boxes do come up from time to time.

Chris

[scottE]

Just joined the R-09HR club: wish i'd bought one years ago after a long time in md-land

On first recording i used  External mics = mic input and level around 55
A small club with semi/acoustic performance - no drums
Recording came out well although the introducing of songs is low - and clapping of audience loud

Would it be useful to use the batt.box on mic input and what level would be needed?

[GregDunn]

It's been a while since I checked in (vacation, etc.) but I've been testing my 09HR in the meanwhile and made the following observations:

1) All the back panel switches are set to their factory defaults.
2) I've set recording parameters at 88.2/16, 88.2/24, 48/16 and 48/24 during tests.
3) I've reinstalled firmware 1.05 twice.

Still the unit hangs randomly when powering up.  If I then pull out the batteries for >10 sec. and reinstall them, it seems to boot up OK.  I tried shorter intervals and the unit would still hang.  Whether the SD card is freshly formatted seems to make no difference.

I'm going to put 1.04 back in and re-test this weekend.

[rastasean]

It's been a while since I checked in (vacation, etc.) but I've been testing my 09HR in the meanwhile and made the following observations:

1) All the back panel switches are set to their factory defaults.
2) I've set recording parameters at 88.2/16, 88.2/24, 48/16 and 48/24 during tests.
3) I've reinstalled firmware 1.05 twice.

Still the unit hangs randomly when powering up.  If I then pull out the batteries for >10 sec. and reinstall them, it seems to boot up OK.  I tried shorter intervals and the unit would still hang.  Whether the SD card is freshly formatted seems to make no difference.

I'm going to put 1.04 back in and re-test this weekend.
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In that case when my 09hr arrives today, I'll leave 1.04 on it until these issues have been resolved. Thanks for the update!

[Dede2002]

It's been a while since I checked in (vacation, etc.) but I've been testing my 09HR in the meanwhile and made the following observations:

1) All the back panel switches are set to their factory defaults.
2) I've set recording parameters at 88.2/16, 88.2/24, 48/16 and 48/24 during tests.
3) I've reinstalled firmware 1.05 twice.

Still the unit hangs randomly when powering up.  If I then pull out the batteries for >10 sec. and reinstall them, it seems to boot up OK.  I tried shorter intervals and the unit would still hang.  Whether the SD card is freshly formatted seems to make no difference.

I'm going to put 1.04 back in and re-test this weekend.

Do you know what's going to happen? It's going to work. Perfectly like it's supposed to be. The same weird things happened to me when I upgraded. Same thing. It was all gone the moment I put the 1.04 back.
Take care 

[Church-Audio]

This might sound like a stupid question but how do I update the firmware on my HR?

Chris