Topic: Edirol R-09HR - Part THREE

[Dede2002]

Hi All, n00b here so please forgive me but I've looked through a 1,000 pages trying to find a definitive guide to setting up using external mics/ Line in.
Just picked up my R-09HR and am using a BB and mics(custom)

The venue is a small 200 people capacity, no great sound system
I'm setting up as follows;
Line In
ACG - OFF
Low Cut- OFF
Mic Gain - LOW

Input level 60

Does the sound Volume need to be turned down during recording or is this irrelevant?

Sorry to be such a pain but is there anything else that I should be thinking about??

David.

There's not that many pages to read.

If you're using line in, I don't think any of those settings make a difference at all.

Actually, they do .
The only setting that doesn't make any difference (running Line In, of course) is the Mic Gain.
Whiskybob, leave the AGC and Low Cut on Off if you are to tape live  music.
About the Input Level, of course you can guess when your quite familiar with/venue/sound/band. but you'll have to fine tune it right there when the music starts. If you decide to tape using 24 bit resolution,there's no need to tape hot at all. Peaks around -12db are fine. You can always raise levels on post.
Take care and have fun

[whiskybob]

Gutted Gutted Gutted...

Recorded last night, was right by the stage, levels set but the recording seems very muddy/bassy.
I was using coresounds Stealthy cardioid mics and BB, I used them with my MD player and found the same problem.
Although this is slightly off topic can anyone using the same set up confirm/deny the same problem or offer alternative mics to use with the Edirol, these are the third set of mics that I've used in my life and the least effective, the sound sounds almost as if it's got my coat thrown over the top of the mics.

[Dede2002]

Gutted Gutted Gutted...

Recorded last night, was right by the stage, levels set but the recording seems very muddy/bassy.
I was using coresounds Stealthy cardioid mics and BB, I used them with my MD player and found the same problem.
Although this is slightly off topic can anyone using the same set up confirm/deny the same problem or offer alternative mics to use with the Edirol, these are the third set of mics that I've used in my life and the least effective, the sound sounds almost as if it's got my coat thrown over the top of the mics.

Hi,

I don't know if I can help you, but were your mics pointed straight to the sound source?
Are you using fresh batteries on your BB?

[whiskybob]

The 9v battery has only been used maybe 4/5 times and I always disconnect the mics from the BB after use.
With regard to the position, my knees were up against the stage so I think I was probably getting as much from the on stage monitors as from the speakers. The last time I used them was for Shellac and that was the same result and the mics were pointing directly at the stack although in fairness I did have a wall behind me.

I know this will sound strange but I bought a MD recorder some years ago and also some hand made mics and a BB that only cost me £40 and the results are better than with the Edirol + CS and the proof is that last night I used both recorders in the same position/same gig/fresh batteries etc. I can only assume that it was my positioning.

The problem is that I now have little or no faith in the CS mics which may not be doing them justice. Maybe I need to look at some of the Church Audio Mics/BB.....

Thanks for all your help, BTW how easy is the EDirol to set up...Fantastic.

[Dede2002]

The 9v battery has only been used maybe 4/5 times and I always disconnect the mics from the BB after use.
With regard to the position, my knees were up against the stage so I think I was probably getting as much from the on stage monitors as from the speakers. The last time I used them was for Shellac and that was the same result and the mics were pointing directly at the stack although in fairness I did have a wall behind me.

I know this will sound strange but I bought a MD recorder some years ago and also some hand made mics and a BB that only cost me £40 and the results are better than with the Edirol + CS and the proof is that last night I used both recorders in the same position/same gig/fresh batteries etc. I can only assume that it was my positioning.

The problem is that I now have little or no faith in the CS mics which may not be doing them justice. Maybe I need to look at some of the Church Audio Mics/BB.....

Thanks for all your help, BTW how easy is the EDirol to set up...Fantastic.

Well, a new pair of good mics is always the best move.

[colargol]

The 9v battery has only been used maybe 4/5 times and I always disconnect the mics from the BB after use.
With regard to the position, my knees were up against the stage so I think I was probably getting as much from the on stage monitors as from the speakers. The last time I used them was for Shellac and that was the same result and the mics were pointing directly at the stack although in fairness I did have a wall behind me.

I know this will sound strange but I bought a MD recorder some years ago and also some hand made mics and a BB that only cost me £40 and the results are better than with the Edirol + CS and the proof is that last night I used both recorders in the same position/same gig/fresh batteries etc. I can only assume that it was my positioning.

The problem is that I now have little or no faith in the CS mics which may not be doing them justice. Maybe I need to look at some of the Church Audio Mics/BB.....

Thanks for all your help, BTW how easy is the EDirol to set up...Fantastic.

Hi!
I've been using Core Sound cardioids for a long time, and I have not had your problems. However, when I used them for the first time with the R09, I did not get good results, and I started using an external preamp and the line in on the r09, and now my recordings turn out better than ever... I would guess you could have the same problem with the R09hr.
Normally, most people complain that the CSCs are too trebly, not bassy, so that is a bit strange...

-c

[Nixoo]

Whiskybob, my best guess is that when you're that close to the stage you'd be better of using omni's instead of cardiods. The mics should point at the soundstacks which is a pain when you're close to the stage.

[whiskybob]

Whiskybob, my best guess is that when you're that close to the stage you'd be better of using omni's instead of cardiods. The mics should point at the soundstacks which is a pain when you're close to the stage.

O.K Thanks for all the help/advice.

Can anyone recommend some quality omni's to go with the Edirol R-09HR? and I assume that you still use a Battery Box when going Line in.
I really only go to see small bands in small venues and am often very close to the stage.

Regards David.

[Dede2002]

Whiskybob, my best guess is that when you're that close to the stage you'd be better of using omni's instead of cardiods. The mics should point at the soundstacks which is a pain when you're close to the stage.

O.K Thanks for all the help/advice.

Can anyone recommend some quality omni's to go with the Edirol R-09HR? and I assume that you still use a Battery Box when going Line in.
I really only go to see small bands in small venues and am often very close to the stage.

Regards David.

I love my Microphone Madness' HLSO Micro omni ( Sennheiser MKE-2 capsules).
It's really, really, really small, trust me, and sounds awesome.

[flintstone]

Let's talk loooong record time -- 10+ hours unattended.

First, the flash card.  At a bit rate of 24/48, one hour of stereo recording
fills about 1GB of storage space.  So using a 16GB card, 10 hours of
recording will fit OK.

Second, the file size.  The R-09HR can be set to start a new file and
keep recording when the file size gets to 1GB.  So each file will hold
about an hour of material.  Anyone have problems with the rollover
to a new file?

Third, battery run time.  Maybe this is the biggest obstacle to running
unattended for 10 hours or longer.

Looking through the posts in this thread, I see that people report
-- 4 to 5 hours of battery life using alkaline AAs,
-- maybe 7 hours using 2700 mAh rechargables, and
-- Lithium AAs might last 9 hours (anyone actually using these?)

That's not enough juice, so an external battery will be necessary.
The AC adapter provided with the R-09HR provides 3V DC to the
recorder.  It's not easy finding an external battery that provides only
3V, but here's one option:
http://www.batteryspace.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2741

Most gear has the hot lead on the center of the power connector,
but Edirol sometimes puts the cold/ground in the center.  Can someone
tell me how the R-09HR is wired?

Will the R-09HR work if connected to a power source that provides more
than 3V?  A third party external battery that provides 5V DC is easier to
find, and less expensive.

Can you power the R-09HR via the USB port? 

Lots of questions about external power.  What solutions have you tried?

Thanks!
Flintstone

[su6oxone]

Let's talk loooong record time -- 10+ hours unattended.

Third, battery run time.  Maybe this is the biggest obstacle to running
unattended for 10 hours or longer.

Looking through the posts in this thread, I see that people report
-- 4 to 5 hours of battery life using alkaline AAs,
-- maybe 7 hours using 2700 mAh rechargables, and
-- Lithium AAs might last 9 hours (anyone actually using these?)

I happened to be testing battery life today by chance, and got almost exactly 9 hours of recording at 24/44.1 using 2700mAh Sanyo rechargeables and with the screen on the whole time (I never turn it off).  Seems like with some nice 2900mAh you could reach your 10 hours goal.  Curious what situations you need 10+ hours of continuous recording time? 

[flintstone]

It's not the "continuous," it's the "unattended" nature of the recording. I need a setup that can be set up and left unattended.  Thanks for the data point about the 2700 mAh rechargables.

Has anyone used the R-09HR with external battery?

[guitard]

I went to a show a few nights ago, and without giving it much thought (big mistake), I decided to give 24bit recording a shot.  I left the sample rate at 44.1KHz and switched the recording mode over to WAV-24bit.

I changed batteries (in the Edirol and in my mic's battery box) before going to the show, got everything plugged in and tapped the mics and got a good response.  Got to the show, plugged everything in again, checked the mics - still got a good response.

Result:  couple of big files with zero audio in them.  Nothing but a big flat line when I dropped them into an audio editor.

It wasn't a show I cared about a great deal, so that doesn't bother me so much.  But I'd still be very curious what I might have done wrong.

[guysonic]

If I didn't know better, sounds to me like you had NO AUDIO input to the deck maybe because of not having enough gain and/or wrong input. 

What did your deck's VU indications look like while recording?

[guitard]

What did your deck's VU indications look like while recording?

When I said I checked the mics, I meant that I tapped on the end of them and spoke into them and the levels bounced right out nicely.  So I felt quite confident that audio was getting to them.