Edirol R-09HR - Part THREE

[gmm6797]

Chris Church told me that the Edirol 0 gain was about a "45" setting; Anything below that and it is attenuating and will add noise. 

Yea, at 45, my entire show would have been brick walled... the 9 setting on the R09 was always low enough that I never had any issues with brick walling, but I always had to normalize in post

Sheesh, I've had the 09 in front of ear bursting stacks at 55 and still had to boost post.  I get huge dynamic range with all my mikes, (mk4, atcmc and dpa), so something is wrong here. 

Not sure whether your N Box has a 20db boost and if so, whether you had it on. 

No, it is just on or off, there are no other settings or switches

[jobseek2001]

Chris Church told me that the Edirol 0 gain was about a "45" setting; Anything below that and it is attenuating and will add noise. 

Yea, at 45, my entire show would have been brick walled...

'Clipped'?

And at 9 at the R09 you don't need 20 on the HR.

[jobseek2001]

Its all in my sig, but.....
Schoeps MK4 > nBox + > R090HR set to 20 and every switch off

20!? You know what signal that takes for 0dBFS?
And you are using a 'pre'?

And no, what level is the 0dbfs? That was my initial question

The nbox+ is the pre-amp

Pre is way too much here.
At 20 on the HR you need around 18.5 dBu for 0dBFS.
So you are amplifiying and then attenuating way too much. You probably don't need a pre anyway.

On the 9 it is around 8 dBu with level at 9.

Please correct me if my numbers are wrong.

[Craig T]

Its all in my sig, but.....
Schoeps MK4 > nBox + > R090HR set to 20 and every switch off

something's fishy.  I don't think I've ever had to run my r09hr that low.  I'm typically 30-60 to get peaks at -6 with no evidence of reduced dynamics.

[gmm6797]

Pre is way too much here.
At 20 on the HR you need around 18.5 dBu for 0dBFS.
So you are amplifiying and then attenuating way too much. You probably don't need a pre anyway.

If I dont use the pre, then how do you suggest I get power to my mics?

On the 9 it is around 8 dBu with level at 9.
Please correct me if my numbers are wrong.

Thats just is, does anyone know where to run the R09hr (regardless of external mics or pre) by the line in connection where the deck does no amplification or attenuation?

[69mako]

Thats just is, does anyone know where to run the R09hr (regardless of external mics or pre) by the line in connection where the deck does no amplification or attenuation?

I've always heard 40-45 is the proper setting for the r-09.

Mako

[gmm6797]

I've always heard 40-45 is the proper setting for the r-09.

It was either 9 or 11, and this is the R-09HR thread... thats what I am trying to gen an answer on

[69mako]

I've always heard 40-45 is the proper setting for the r-09.

It was either 9 or 11, and this is the R-09HR thread... thats what I am trying to gen an answer on

Go to page one of this thread....

Mako

[digifish_music]

If I dont use the pre, then how do you suggest I get power to my mics?

A simple phantom power supply?...



digifish

[gmm6797]

A simple phantom power supply?...

Schoeps mics are caps, so I need cables or full bodies... neither of which work well for stealthing

[gmm6797]

Go to page one of this thread....

All I see is a post with the term "I guess" related to volume settings, so that does not answer my question... is that the post you are referencing?

[69mako]

Go to page one of this thread....

All I see is a post with the term "I guess" related to volume settings, so that does not answer my question... is that the post you are referencing?

He is a quote from Mr. Church:

Chris Church told me that the Edirol 0 gain was about a "45" setting; Anything below that and it is attenuating and will add noise.

That is what I use anbd have NEVER had any of the problems you are talknig about. 

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,118491.0.html

Mako

[gmm6797]

Chris Church told me that the Edirol 0 gain was about a "45" setting; Anything below that and it is attenuating and will add noise.

Well, at a loud rock show, 45 would have caused brickwalling.... maybe I need to move back to he R09

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,118491.0.html

Another posting with wors like "thought to be" and "usually set"

Not sure why after almost a year we dont have an answer... wish I knew how to test this and get the answer, but I am no engineer

[jobseek2001]

Pre is way too much here.
At 20 on the HR you need around 18.5 dBu for 0dBFS.
So you are amplifiying and then attenuating way too much. You probably don't need a pre anyway.

If I dont use the pre, then how do you suggest I get power to my mics?

By using a power supply? Battery box? Or phantom-equivalent?

Thats just is, does anyone know where to run the R09hr (regardless of external mics or pre) by the line in connection where the deck does no amplification or attenuation?

Unity gain? That is the default gain setting for the device. Documented elsewhere in the thread, sorry.

[jobseek2001]

A simple phantom power supply?...

Schoeps mics are caps, so I need cables or full bodies... neither of which work well for stealthing

I stealthed with Sennheiser K6's. Works quite OK.
Of course stuff works better nowadays without K6's.