Topic: R44 Users - Issue

[F0CKER]

Yet another issue with gear for me, the problems keep on coming! 

Saw Jason Isbell Friday night, running 4 channels...everything was fine for an hour or so then I looked at my deck and channel four levels were pegged.  I went to turn down the trim and when I touched the outer trim gain, the gain settings went haywire.  It was shooting all over the map on channel 4 but it was registering like I was adjusting the inner knob - where it shows the fixed gain selection.  So somehow the outer trim pot was impacting the inner gain setting.  Anyone experienced anything like this?

I tested it again at home yesterday and it replicated so I'm certain it's a deck issue, I went from B Format to stereo out on the Soundfield with the same results...so different cables were used.

[andyjah]

I had a problem last month with the R-44 saying that the sdhc card was locked even though it was not. Their tech said it may have been because the unit was out in the car for an hour while I had dinner. Really cold night. Single digits I think. I got the opener and went to switch cards and then it said that all 3 of my cards were locked which was not the case. Any how I keep that thing nice and warm before I go into a venue now. Not worth the risk of it occurring again.

[stirinthesauce]

since your unit is modded, I would send it back to Doug.  Maybe a bad solder joint?  Tight in there, easy to do.

[bugg100]

...... map on channel 4 but it was registering like I was adjusting the inner knob - where it shows the fixed gain selection.  So somehow the outer trim pot was impacting the inner gain setting.  Anyone experienced anything like this?

I tested it again at home yesterday and it replicated so I'm certain it's a deck issue, I went from B Format to stereo out on the Soundfield with the same results...so different cables were used.

You know the inner knob is really fantasy trim, right? 12:00 is out and anything else on the inner knob is digi-tweaking... Gain on the outer ring...

try your deck with no soundfield stuff if you can and try it again before you send it off.

[F0CKER]

Can't test it out without running the SF...all proprietary system equipment unless I ran a line form my stereo...

I doubt it's the SF since I ran B Format then Stereo out and the channel replicated the same issue.

[F0CKER]

You know the inner knob is really fantasy trim, right? 12:00 is out and anything else on the inner knob is digi-tweaking... Gain on the outer ring...
try your deck with no soundfield stuff if you can and try it again before you send it off.

Yeah, I knew that I just stated it backwards....I don't touch any gain settings on the R44 ever..I leave the inner at 12 and the outer at the lowest setting, all gain comes form the SF preamp until I get levels around -4 / -6.  Any adjustments I do in post after I process it down to stereo, always running in B Format on the source.

Sending an email to Doug today since he modded it, just curious of anyone else expereinced the same type of issue.

Thanks for the feedback all!

[Ozpeter]

It's very hard to turn the outer knob without disturbing the inner one, but that's another issue I think.

[F0CKER]

It's very hard to turn the outer knob without disturbing the inner one, but that's another issue I think.

it is, I have the reverse, which shoulod never be the case.  FYI, Doug Oade told me to send it to him for a once over, said it sounded like a bad connection or broken control.

[BayTaynt3d]

I've actually come to love the 6 db steps of the outer gain knob (I never touch inner, just leave it at noon). If I'm forced to make a gain adjustment mid-set, I just take a note of the timecode, and then it's super easy to tweak exactly 6 db in post once I find the spot.

[F0CKER]

I've actually come to love the 6 db steps of the outer gain knob (I never touch inner, just leave it at noon). If I'm forced to make a gain adjustment mid-set, I just take a note of the timecode, and then it's super easy to tweak exactly 6 db in post once I find the spot.

I'm with you, the only problem I have is finding that exact spot...I always seem to have a short, but noticeable, pop when the gain is changed.  Any tips on how to best zero in and adjust the gain at the right spot?  Is there a way to do it systematically?

[BayTaynt3d]

I've actually come to love the 6 db steps of the outer gain knob (I never touch inner, just leave it at noon). If I'm forced to make a gain adjustment mid-set, I just take a note of the timecode, and then it's super easy to tweak exactly 6 db in post once I find the spot.

I'm with you, the only problem I have is finding that exact spot...I always seem to have a short, but noticeable, pop when the gain is changed.  Any tips on how to best zero in and adjust the gain at the right spot?  Is there a way to do it systematically?

I literally write down the time that I did it (e.g., 10:41 into recording). Then I can usually find it in my editor fairly quickly from the timecode I wrote down, but I actually listen for the exact spot of the change and reverse it using a volume envelope (level keyframe automation) in Sony Vegas during post (I use Vegas to mix/master everything I record).

[datbrad]

Yet another issue with gear for me, the problems keep on coming! 

Saw Jason Isbell Friday night, running 4 channels...everything was fine for an hour or so then I looked at my deck and channel four levels were pegged.  I went to turn down the trim and when I touched the outer trim gain, the gain settings went haywire.  It was shooting all over the map on channel 4 but it was registering like I was adjusting the inner knob - where it shows the fixed gain selection.  So somehow the outer trim pot was impacting the inner gain setting.  Anyone experienced anything like this?

I tested it again at home yesterday and it replicated so I'm certain it's a deck issue, I went from B Format to stereo out on the Soundfield with the same results...so different cables were used.

Taping is just not your bag........

[Ozpeter]

You can also mark the spot by pressing the marker button.  Few programs seem able to read R-44 markers (I think Wavosaur does) but if all else fails you can simply go to the point on the R-44 itself and note the time then, rather than scribbling during the recording.

[F0CKER]

Taping is just not your bag........

I'd quit but then I would get entirely too wasted at shows.  Taping keeps me grounded! 

[F0CKER]

I literally write down the time that I did it (e.g., 10:41 into recording). Then I can usually find it in my editor fairly quickly from the timecode I wrote down, but I actually listen for the exact spot of the change and reverse it using a volume envelope (level keyframe automation) in Sony Vegas during post (I use Vegas to mix/master everything I record).

See I don't really know how to use this feature, I usually highlight the area and add 6dB gain.  I'm guessing the volume envelope is a smoother adjustment?  I can find the spot where the change happens, I guess I'm just approaching adding or removing the gain the wrong way.