Topic: Help me help myself!

[su6oxone]

BTW, our taping policy has always been wide open , although I don't know how often anyone's taken us up on it.  About the closest we've come to a taping scene was when we played at last summer's moedown. 

Very cool!  Have you guys thought about joining the Live Music Archive (archive.org)?  That would be even better. 

[im hungover]

BTW, our taping policy has always been wide open , although I don't know how often anyone's taken us up on it.  About the closest we've come to a taping scene was when we played at last summer's moedown. 

Very cool!  Have you guys thought about joining the Live Music Archive (archive.org)?  That would be even better. 

and there are quite a few bands these days offer up a guest list spot for a taper or two

[su6oxone]

and there are quite a few bands these days offer up a guest list spot for a taper or two

guestlist +1

 

[Finnbot3000]

well of course there would have to be a +1.  Otherwise who would hold the beers while the mics were being placed.

There is a crapload of valuable advice here, except from the guy with the Portland Trailblazers logo in his signature.  I hate that guy.

to recap:

we need a recorder with built in mics, AND inputs (preferably xlr).  My singer has a possible line on a Zoom H4, but I'm not loving what I'm reading about that model here or elsewhere.  So the dilemma is find the cheapest good recorder (400?) so I can spend 400 bucks on mics. I mean 300 bucks. 

[Teen Wolf Blitzer]

WTF?  Do I know you?

EDIT: Upon further research on wiki and google I have never met you, don't know you, never have seen a Presidents show or any band you've played in or own any releases you are on.  But yet you hate me?

[tgakidis]

FR2-LE:  http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,118213.0.html

AKG 460's:  http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,118388.0.html

Total:  somewhere around $850-ish.  Add cables, stand, accessories and you should still come in well under budget.

I am stunned, Dirk recommending AKG's?  The world MUST be comming to an end 

[Jamos]

WTF?  Do I know you?

EDIT: Upon further research on wiki and google I have never met you, don't know you, never have seen a Presidents show or any band you've played in or own any releases you are on.  But yet you hate me?
Well fuck right off asshole.

Maybe he just meant that he doesn't like the Trailblazers?
 

[Teen Wolf Blitzer]

Maybe... and if he did I recant my rant but I am just at a loss.  Never had anyone say they hate me.  Ever.  Especially a musician.  I edited the end of it until clarity is made.

[Nick's Picks]

what he said....
(Richards post above).

Def. the way to go.

If you must stick w/two channels for budget, you can still do some AUD/SBD with an edirol UA5.  tons of them in the yard sale.  nice sounding little box.  it acts as a mixer too, so you can pump RCA inputs in as well as XLRs, though you can't mix the delay needed, nor can you separate the channels.

as for mics...
if you want really cheap and wicked quality for the investment, the AT 853u is pretty awesome.  sound pro's has them on sale for $150 a pair.
An edirol R9 behind these, good to go.  $500 total.

Or...
Studio Projects LSD2 stereo microphone.  Its big, ugly...., could be a weapon of mass destruction, but it sounds freakin' great, is quick and easy to setup and would allow you to record in M-S mode for later mix down, eliminating that "get it right on the fly" syndrome.
You could probably find a used one in the $500 range.  new they are $700.

go TrailBlazers !

[TNJazz]

FR2-LE:  http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,118213.0.html

AKG 460's:  http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,118388.0.html

Total:  somewhere around $850-ish.  Add cables, stand, accessories and you should still come in well under budget.

I am stunned, Dirk recommending AKG's?  The world MUST be comming to an end 

AKGs are fine when you're just starting out and you're on a budget.  Once money isn't the first concern anymore, it's time to look elsewhere though (IMO).

Anyway, to the OP:  a recorder with built in mics will NOT give you the results you're looking for.  Period.

[Belexes]

Don't concern yourself with recorders with internal mics.  Most of us here are external mic purists as the quality goes up by leaps and bounds.  I own a Sony D50, but almost never use the internal mics.  You'll be recording music, not using it to do your dictation.

[Finnbot3000]

Mark!

That was supposed to be funny. A Trailblazers thing.  I'm from Seattle, and we are still a little tender from loosing our Sonics.  And a central part of Sonic-dom, as you know, is the SEA-PDX enmity, which was drilled into me from birth.  Actually I secretly watch the Trailblazers sometimes when they are on espn to follow Brandon Roy (Husky!), but if my family found out I would be disowned.

Sorry for the misfire!

I don't really hate anybody, except for all three Jonas Brothers.

[Will_S]

Anyway, to the OP:  a recorder with built in mics will NOT give you the results you're looking for.  Period.

Agree to a point:  the internal mics will NOT give the results you're looking for.  But technically, the FR2LE and Edirol R44 both have internal mics, they're just useless.  As are the mics built into just about everything except maybe the Sony.

[Teen Wolf Blitzer]

I'm sorry too for my misunderstanding!  It's all good Jason.  And yes the Jonas Brothers do suck ass.   

Mark!

That was supposed to be funny. A Trailblazers thing.  I'm from Seattle, and we are still a little tender from loosing our Sonics.  And a central part of Sonic-dom, as you know, is the SEA-PDX enmity, which was drilled into me from birth.  Actually I secretly watch the Trailblazers sometimes when they are on espn to follow Brandon Roy (Husky!), but if my family found out I would be disowned.

Sorry for the misfire!

I don't really hate anybody, except for all three Jonas Brothers.

[Craig T]

My recommendation would be the Edirol R-44 and a stereo mic such as the Studio Projects LSD2 or Busman BSCS-M or BSCS-L.  Record 2-ch soundboard and 2-ch stereo mic.

If that's way out of your budget, maybe the Sony PCM-D50?  I've heard a few small club recordings done with the internal mics that sounded decent.