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Edirol R-09HR - Part FOUR
« on: May 06, 2009, 10:13:39 AM »
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part FOUR
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part FOUR
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2009, 11:14:00 PM »
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part FOUR
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2009, 11:22:07 PM »
Did anyone else here get the email special from sound pros today, until midnight tonight only, for the Edirol R-09HR at $299.00! I just got/read this email, contemplating going for it...
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part FOUR
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2009, 12:08:45 AM »
Quote from: taosmay on May 06, 2009, 11:22:07 PM
Did anyone else here get the email special from sound pros today, until midnight tonight only, for the Edirol R-09HR at $299.00! I just got/read this email, contemplating going for it...

Do it, you won't regret it!!!!
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part FOUR
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2009, 12:14:46 AM »
I did it! YAHOOOO! Got in just under the wire: Order Date: 2009-05-06 23:46:54.
The sale time has timed out now, but I hope it was not inappropriate for me to publicly post that coupon special email I got. I've seen Chris post on this board.
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part FOUR
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part FOUR
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2009, 07:05:07 AM »
Someone already got troubles with the new firmware 1.06-version??  :P
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part FOUR
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2009, 09:30:07 AM »
Quote from: hanzel14 on May 07, 2009, 07:05:07 AM
Someone already got troubles with the new firmware 1.06-version??  :P

Seems to be working for me so far.  What kind of problem are you having?
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part FOUR
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2009, 09:57:24 AM »
Quote from: su6oxone on May 07, 2009, 09:30:07 AM
Quote from: hanzel14 on May 07, 2009, 07:05:07 AM
Someone already got troubles with the new firmware 1.06-version??  :P

Seems to be working for me so far.  What kind of problem are you having?

Well, I haven't updated yet..
Lots of people had troubles with the 1.05-version in the past, except me..
Since I updated the 1.05 pretty fast after it came out, I was wondering if with this new
1.06-version already some people were having difficulties..
I got a gig coming up next week, so I want to sure the 1.06-version is reliable.
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part FOUR
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2009, 10:27:28 AM »
So we've been chatting on the nbox thread about distortion on the r09HR.    The original r09 sounds good unless you run it below trim setting 8.  At that point heavy bass distorts and it gets worse as the trim is lowered further.   The recorder doesn't clip, just distorts.

That is a Huge pain for me because it means the r09 can't take a very hot signal.  So I can't run it in certain situations and combinations.  I had hoped the r09HR was better in that regard.

An nbox user reported mediocre sound and 'crunchy' bass on his r09HR....  His reports suggest the HR suffers from the same issue when trim is reduced.  I think he said the problem happened around setting 20.

The r09 problem can be easily reproduced on the bench.. Wondering if anyone has tried with the HR.
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part FOUR
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2009, 11:19:04 AM »
R09 at 4, 5 or 6 all the time. No noticable problems.
R09HR at 20 means about 18.5 dBu! Why would a 'pre' need to make the signal that hot so that the HR can attenuate it afterwards?
I bet you could run without pre.
So perhaps it is a non-issue.

Still it is interesting to know if these claims about distortion can be verified in a controlled manner.
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part FOUR
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2009, 12:20:46 PM »
Quote from: udovdh on May 07, 2009, 11:19:04 AM
R09 at 4, 5 or 6 all the time. No noticable problems. R09HR at 20 means about 18.5 dBu! Why would a 'pre' need to make the signal that hot so that the HR can attenuate it afterwards?
I bet you could run without pre.
So perhaps it is a non-issue.

Next time I'll tell J. Mascis that his guitar is too loud and he doesn't need so many amps and cabinets.  I'm guessing he'll say something about being too old.

The 7xx recorders can take a +26dBu signal.

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Still it is interesting to know if these claims about distortion can be verified in a controlled manner.

Originated and verified the "claims" years ago on the r09, so old news.
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part FOUR
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2009, 03:19:12 PM »
Just curious. Why using such low setting ( below 8 for the R-09 or below 20 for the R-09HR)?
Considering unity gain is around 13 (R-09) and 40 (R-09HR), as far as my lack of knowledge goes, it has something to do with digital attenuation ( when a recorder receives hot signal from preamp ), which I'm told is not a good thing.
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Re: Edirol R-09HR - Part FOUR
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2009, 04:27:50 PM »
Quote from: Freelunch on May 07, 2009, 12:20:46 PM
Quote from: udovdh on May 07, 2009, 11:19:04 AM
R09 at 4, 5 or 6 all the time. No noticable problems. R09HR at 20 means about 18.5 dBu! Why would a 'pre' need to make the signal that hot so that the HR can attenuate it afterwards?
I bet you could run without pre.
So perhaps it is a non-issue.

Next time I'll tell J. Mascis that his guitar is too loud and he doesn't need so many amps and cabinets.  I'm guessing he'll say something about being too old.

The 7xx recorders can take a +26dBu signal.

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Still it is interesting to know if these claims about distortion can be verified in a controlled manner.

Originated and verified the "claims" years ago on the r09, so old news.


The 7xx recorders are also much more expensive.

Do any of these small recorders allow for a really hot input signal (without digital attenuation)?
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