Topic: Edirol stadium settings

[L.B.]

Warning: newbie question!

I have been stealth taping a stadium rock show and the volume turns out to be way too. I am using an Edirol R-09 and Core Sound LCB mics.
Here are the Edirol settings = AGC: off | Mic Type: stereo | Low cut: off | Mic gain: low | Volume 24

I turned the volume down while recording the first song, because the red light on the Edirol were flashing alot. As mentioned, the recording turns out to be way too low, so I guess that it should flash once in a while while recording? Or not?

The mics were places in front of my chest. I guess I should put them on my collar the next time, because besides the low volume, it sound very ”boomy”.
I hate to stand for three hours again, not being able to clap and sing and hoping that the people around me would shut up, so please help me 

[MinnBrian]

^^^by volume, I figure you mean input level.  Best for that not to clip.  You can always boost volume in post (check out Audacity and the amplify feature-free and easy to use.)  As far as mic placement, the higher the better so as not to muffle the high frequencies.  I use cardoid mics which helps to cut out ancillary chatter, you will always get some.  AND if you want a good pull, I suggest you not sing-a-long and or clap.  BUT, if you are only taping for yourself = go for it.   

Brian

[Belexes]

Tape in 24 bit, peak at around -6 dB and boost in post.  Remember to check your actual meters and not just rely on the red light.  A agree on getting your mics as high up as you can.

Don't move, don't talk, don't clap. The end result can sometimes be worth it.

[itook2much]

I hate to stand for three hours again, not being able to clap and sing and hoping that the poeple around me would shut up, so please help me 

If you're going to stealth tape, get used to it.

[acidjack]

Warning: newbie question!

I have been stealth taping a stadium rock show and the volume turns out to be way too. I am using an Edirol R-09 and Core Sound LCB mics.
Here are the Edirol settings = AGC: off | Mic Type: stereo | Low cut: off | Mic gain: low | Volume 24

I turned the volume down while recording the first song, because the red light on the Edirol were flashing alot. As mentioned, the recording turns out to be way too low, so I guess that it should flash once in a while while recording? Or not?

The mics were places in front of my chest. I guess I should put them on my collar the next time, because besides the low volume, it sound very ”boomy”.
I hate to stand for three hours again, not being able to clap and sing and hoping that the poeple around me would shut up, so please help me 

What the other people said, plus, I'd add only that those settings seem generally right, but if you do have a problem with clipping (which is different than levels), you may want to consider springing for some kind of power supply for those mics (I'm assuming you bought the LCBs without the optional battery box).  I believe Church makes a very inexpensive power supply that pretty much looks like a 9v battery with some gunk stuck to the end.  Sound Professionals makes several different power supplies; I use the SPSB-8 which also has optional bass rolloff, which is $69 with rolloff, $60 without I think.  

If the volume of the show is too high for the maximum rated sound pressure level of the mics, it won't matter what your meters on your deck say.  The power supplies help with this issue, as you can run line-in.  I used to run a version of the Coresound LCB way back in the day with a WMD6C analog deck, and (as Len warned me it might) every show clipped.  I sent those back, got the "Battery box" version, and everything was fine after that.

And finally, yeah, if you're stealth taping/taping with mics mounted to your person, you can't move, talk or clap no matter where on your body the mics are.   

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And finally, yeah, if you're stealth taping/taping with mics mounted to your person, you can't move, talk or clap no matter where on your body the mics are.   

Well, you can, you'll just probably regret it later. 

While many people who are new to taping come at it as new stealth tapers, stealthing takes much more skill, practice, and effort to do well then open taping does. So I recomend that to get used to your gear and practice a bit, try going to a show where you arn't stealthing and can play around with your gear in the open, maybe ask questions from other tapers, etc.

Best of luck.

[L.B.]

Thank you so much for taking your time to answer!! 

[Scooter123]

There is something called "unity" or "neutral" which means there the input from the mike side is not being amplified before being recorded.  Guys here say that is around "45" on the 09.  Which is about right in my judgment, as I own the 09 too. 

I think your volume is way too low.  I would start at 45 and go up or down from there. 

I confess I do not know about your mikes, and whether they require phantom power or would benefit from the same. 

I will say if you are going to go above 45, you would be well served by a pocket preamp, which typically provides a boost of about 20db.

Stadium taping presents its own challenges as the area is so large that echoes develop and because of the space, the bass waves get a chance to develop and bounce around.  If you have to tape in back up high, then consider filtering out the bass.  Another good trick is to tape near the the stacks, so your are getting second generation soundboard mix.

[MinnBrian]

There is something called "unity" or "neutral" which means there the input from the mike side is not being amplified before being recorded.  Guys here say that is around "45" on the 09.  Which is about right in my judgment, as I own the 09 too. 

I think your volume is way too low.  I would start at 45 and go up or down from there. 

I confess I do not know about your mikes, and whether they require phantom power or would benefit from the same. 

I will say if you are going to go above 45, you would be well served by a pocket preamp, which typically provides a boost of about 20db.

Stadium taping presents its own challenges as the area is so large that echoes develop and because of the space, the bass waves get a chance to develop and bounce around.  If you have to tape in back up high, then consider filtering out the bass.  Another good trick is to tape near the the stacks, so your are getting second generation soundboard mix.

Actually, I think, unity on the older r-09 is much lower than the newer r-09 hr.          not sure which recorder this dude actually has               i run ca-11>st9100>r-09   i think and have read that optimum imput on that older r-09 is 13-18           so i set the 9100 at full minus a little bit and the r-09 around 15 and slightly adjust both to be to around minus four on the meter                   i agree that stadiums are difficult to get a nice sounding recording
they sound like stadiums

Brian

[L.B.]

^^^by volume, I figure you mean input level.  Best for that not to clip.  You can always boost volume in post (check out Audacity and the amplify feature-free and easy to use.)  As far as mic placement, the higher the better so as not to muffle the high frequencies.  I use cardoid mics which helps to cut out ancillary chatter, you will always get some.  AND if you want a good pull, I suggest you not sing-a-long and or clap.  BUT, if you are only taping for yourself = go for it.   

Brian

I don't sing, clap etc. but when I have to stand still, I want to have a good recording.
And thanks Brian, I will have to check out Audacity.

[L.B.]

Tape in 24 bit, peak at around -6 dB and boost in post.  Remember to check your actual meters and not just rely on the red light.  A agree on getting your mics as high up as you can.

Don't move, don't talk, don't clap. The end result can sometimes be worth it.

It actually peaked at around -6 on the Edirols scale 
I will have to get my mics up as high as possible!

[L.B.]

I hate to stand for three hours again, not being able to clap and sing and hoping that the people around me would shut up, so please help me 

If you're going to stealth tape, get used to it.

I will 

[L.B.]

Warning: newbie question!

I have been stealth taping a stadium rock show and the volume turns out to be way too. I am using an Edirol R-09 and Core Sound LCB mics.
Here are the Edirol settings = AGC: off | Mic Type: stereo | Low cut: off | Mic gain: low | Volume 24

I turned the volume down while recording the first song, because the red light on the Edirol were flashing alot. As mentioned, the recording turns out to be way too low, so I guess that it should flash once in a while while recording? Or not?

The mics were places in front of my chest. I guess I should put them on my collar the next time, because besides the low volume, it sound very ”boomy”.
I hate to stand for three hours again, not being able to clap and sing and hoping that the poeple around me would shut up, so please help me 

What the other people said, plus, I'd add only that those settings seem generally right, but if you do have a problem with clipping (which is different than levels), you may want to consider springing for some kind of power supply for those mics (I'm assuming you bought the LCBs without the optional battery box).  I believe Church makes a very inexpensive power supply that pretty much looks like a 9v battery with some gunk stuck to the end.  Sound Professionals makes several different power supplies; I use the SPSB-8 which also has optional bass rolloff, which is $69 with rolloff, $60 without I think.  

If the volume of the show is too high for the maximum rated sound pressure level of the mics, it won't matter what your meters on your deck say.  The power supplies help with this issue, as you can run line-in.  I used to run a version of the Coresound LCB way back in the day with a WMD6C analog deck, and (as Len warned me it might) every show clipped.  I sent those back, got the "Battery box" version, and everything was fine after that.

And finally, yeah, if you're stealth taping/taping with mics mounted to your person, you can't move, talk or clap no matter where on your body the mics are.   

Thank you for a super answer! I have ordered Church Audio mics with battery box over two months ago and still waiting...

[L.B.]

And finally, yeah, if you're stealth taping/taping with mics mounted to your person, you can't move, talk or clap no matter where on your body the mics are.   

Well, you can, you'll just probably regret it later. 

While many people who are new to taping come at it as new stealth tapers, stealthing takes much more skill, practice, and effort to do well then open taping does. So I recomend that to get used to your gear and practice a bit, try going to a show where you arn't stealthing and can play around with your gear in the open, maybe ask questions from other tapers, etc.

Best of luck.

No doubt that experience is the way to go, but I am "burning" to tape Springsteen and as he is turning 60 I am afraid that this is my last chance, at least with The E Street Band.

[L.B.]

There is something called "unity" or "neutral" which means there the input from the mike side is not being amplified before being recorded.  Guys here say that is around "45" on the 09.  Which is about right in my judgment, as I own the 09 too. 

I think your volume is way too low.  I would start at 45 and go up or down from there. 

I confess I do not know about your mikes, and whether they require phantom power or would benefit from the same. 

I will say if you are going to go above 45, you would be well served by a pocket preamp, which typically provides a boost of about 20db.

Stadium taping presents its own challenges as the area is so large that echoes develop and because of the space, the bass waves get a chance to develop and bounce around.  If you have to tape in back up high, then consider filtering out the bass.  Another good trick is to tape near the the stacks, so your are getting second generation soundboard mix.

The Volume only goes to 30 on my Edirol...