Topic: CA-11 + EDIROL R09-HR + <what more?> for a loud rock show

[SpokenMagicSpells]

Hi!

Currently I have the CA-11 from Chris plus an EDIROL R09-HR and nothing more. I use the plugin power of R09.

In November there will be a big and loud rock show in a stadium nearby, and there is a great chance that I will be there :-)

I would like to know what do you suggest to complement this setup in order to properly tape this show. I'm planing to stay in centralized, very far away from the stage, back of the crowd, where there will be much less people.

Thanks.
Best regards.

[Fatah Ruark (aka MIKE B)]

Bare minimum I would add a battery box. That will power the mics much better and reduce the chances of overloading them.

Ideally I would add a preamp in between there. That will provide power and convert the mic level to a line level.

I don't see any reason to go with anything else besides something from Chris. He makes good stuff.

[travelinbeat]

I would like to know what do you suggest to complement this setup in order to properly tape this show. I'm planing to stay in centralized, very far away from the stage, back of the crowd, where there will be much less people.

Thanks.
Best regards.

I second Mike's opinion but would like to address your technique.  You may want to consider other approaches depending on the venue.  If the venue is boomy or has a lot of echo (often the result of bare brick walls, low ceilings, etc), it is important to keep in mind that the further you get from the sound source, the more diluted your recording will be (diluted by echos, etc).  This will be less evident with more directional mics, and the CA-11's tend to hold up very well all things considered, but nonetheless, keep in mind that the further from the source you get, the more "secondary" sound you're getting (which results in unclear tapes). 

There's a pretty good rule of thumb... form an equilateral triangle with you and the speakers.  Granted if that rule puts you in the middle of a mosh pit, you'll need to adjust your approach... but for the most part, it's a good, simple, easy to assess guideline to consider.

Welcome to TS and congrats on owning Church Audio-- I love Chris's products-- have for years!

[SpokenMagicSpells]

Hi!

Thanks for the replies so far.

I'll be far away from the stage, but nowadays the sound in stadiums is "distributed" in a way that you get the same "sound" wherever you are. I saw this in Roger Waters and Madonna shows recently.

The idea behind been far back is to stay away from the crowd and the noise. The fucking "UuuHuuuus!"... :-)

Thanks.
Regards.

[jbell]

CA 9100! 

[phil_er_up]

I have the edirolRO9HR and the CA11 and I can not get a strong enough signal to the edirol without a preamp during soft to moderate sounding show. I use Church audio ST9000 preamp that have gain setting of +20 and +30. Depending on the night, I mostly use the +20 gain setting and gotten some really good pulls. I have the CA11 cards and omni's and if you are far back you might want to run the cardiod caps to reduce room effects and crowd noise. You might get a strong enough signal if the show is really loud but it might not work with softer sounding shows.

Try running your rig at home with your stereo loud and see if you can get a strong enough signal to the edirol. I would recommend purchasing a ST9100. I have many shows on DIME with this rig look under the blues category and my name and see what you think it sound like.

[acidjack]

Hi!

Currently I have the CA-11 from Chris plus an EDIROL R09-HR and nothing more. I use the plugin power of R09.

In November there will be a big and loud rock show in a stadium nearby, and there is a great chance that I will be there :-)

I would like to know what do you suggest to complement this setup in order to properly tape this show. I'm planing to stay in centralized, very far away from the stage, back of the crowd, where there will be much less people.

Thanks.
Best regards.

As others have said, get a battery box. I believe Chris can, in the alternative, modify the R-09HR itself to not distort at loud shows with the CA-11s using the R-09HR's plug in power.  But if I were you, I'd just buy a reliable, HQ battery box like the the Sound Professionals SPSB-10.

[Belexes]

If bass roll off isn't an issue for you, get the CA-UBB. (Chris' battery box, very tiny!)

[fmaderjr]

As others have said, get a battery box. I believe Chris can, in the alternative, modify the R-09HR itself to not distort at loud shows with the CA-11s using the R-09HR's plug in power.  But if I were you, I'd just buy a reliable, HQ battery box like the the Sound Professionals SPSB-10.

Chris can modify his CA-14 mics (and probably the CA-11's although I haven't seen a post on it) so they can be run optimally by the HR's plug in power. He does not have to modify the HR.

I do agree with the battery box recommendation, however, because if you modify the mics for plug in power you lose the option to go line in with a battery box or preamp (you can do it, but they won't be powered optimally).

[aaronji]

I do agree with the battery box recommendation, however, because if you modify the mics for plug in power you lose the option to go line in with a battery box or preamp (you can do it, but they won't be powered optimally).

I was under the impression that the plug-in power mod didn't much affect the ability to go line-in with a battery box or pre.  What sort of (audible) problems are there running them line-in? 

[fmaderjr]

I was under the impression that the plug-in power mod didn't much affect the ability to go line-in with a battery box or pre.  What sort of (audible) problems are there running them line-in?

Maybe Chris Church will answer this definitively, but I believe he has posted that they wouldn't be optimally powered when going line in w/ a battery box and doesn't recommend doing so. I imagine you might run into the same problems that can occur running an unmodified mic on plug in power. It may sound fine most of the time but you never know when you will encounter distortion, especially when recording something very loud.

[Scooter123]

I'll be far away from the stage, but nowadays the sound in stadiums is "distributed" in a way that you get the same "sound" wherever you are. I saw this in Roger Waters and Madonna shows recently.

Well, not really, the further back and higher up you get the more bouncey sound and echoes you will get.  FOB is basically the best sound, maybe a tad in front, but FOB is gold standard. 

[ArchivalAudio]

stay in the MOTB (Mouth Of The Beast) check out  http://www.motb.org/
read the splash page statment
be
 FOB, maybe slightly more forward than the equilateral triangle
that's the best sound, full PA + stage sound
les crowd between you and the sound waves
the further back you get the more "air" and more weird reverberant sound you'll also receive

unless you are right in front of a delay tower, however I am not a big fan of "stack" - or  Delay recording


don't think that being in back of the venue you get away from chatter's  + you have less SPL's and more random folks

peace
-- Ian

[ArchivalAudio]

if you are set on being very far from the stage
you might (should) run some shotgun mics
or yep
you'll get weird reflections and boominess

-- Ian

[Church-Audio]

For sure you need a battery box sometimes you can get away with it but more often then not, you will get distortion.

Chris