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Re: AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - The Definative Comparison
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2009, 10:25:30 AM »
For a PA recording, outdoors with significantly dense windscreens that roll off the high end and negatively effect the frequency response of the mic I would imagine the sound would be similar.
It would be better to compare them on a grand piano, OH, or at least a 2 point stereo recording under better condition, i.e., indoors with accoustic music.

Thanks for all your work it was fun to listen.

Not quite sure of your point. Since both mics have the same windscreens on them, the test controls are identical, so any differences would not be negated by the screens, IMO.
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Re: AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - The Definative Comparison
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2009, 10:43:45 AM »
In a perfect world there would be matched mics, controlled conditions, rubber gloves and hand sanitizer.

Given who we are and what we do this comp is a snap shot of a typical situation.  Of course it's not perfect and I may have over stepped my bounds with the title "definative".

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Re: AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - The Definative Comparison
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2009, 10:50:42 AM »
In a perfect world there would be matched mics, controlled conditions, rubber gloves and hand sanitizer.

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I think that statement can be applied to a lot of situations in life.  ;D
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Re: AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - The Definative Comparison
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2009, 11:04:35 AM »
For a PA recording, outdoors with significantly dense windscreens that roll off the high end and negatively effect the frequency response of the mic I would imagine the sound would be similar.
It would be better to compare them on a grand piano, OH, or at least a 2 point stereo recording under better condition, i.e., indoors with accoustic music.

Thanks for all your work it was fun to listen.

Not quite sure of your point. Since both mics have the same windscreens on them, the test controls are identical, so any differences would not be negated by the screens, IMO.

As an extreme point, do you think that you would get an accurate picture of what a mic sounded like, or two mics sound like, when a pillow is placed over them? Now, of course, this is certainly not that extreme but significant none the less. I don't think this shoot out can tell you anymore than what they sounded like under these, less than ideal, test conditions.

Don't get me wrong, I think this is great fun and extremely helpful for someone, and maybe many, planning on taping in only these types of conditions, but I wouldn't bet on it transfering to more ideal conditions.

I'm not trying to be a padant but honest.

Again, thanks for the hard work.  :)

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Re: AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - The Definative Comparison
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2009, 11:27:18 AM »
I don't think this shoot out can tell you anymore than what they sounded like under these, less than ideal, test conditions.

BINGO!  This comp is exactly what they sounded like under these, less than ideal, test conditions.

Like I said, I did over step my bounds by using "definative" in my title.  Another thing to keep in mind is that there are MANY factors that can effect the test conditions.  But again, for who most of us on this board are (amatuer audio geeks) and what we do (record in less then ideal situations) this is a good representaion of what to expect.
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Re: AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - The Definative Comparison
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2009, 12:57:24 PM »
But again, for who most of us on this board are (amatuer audio geeks) and what we do (record in less then ideal situations) this is a good representaion of what to expect.
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Re: AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - The Definative Comparison
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2009, 07:18:27 PM »
For a PA recording, outdoors with significantly dense windscreens that roll off the high end and negatively effect the frequency response of the mic I would imagine the sound would be similar.
It would be better to compare them on a grand piano, OH, or at least a 2 point stereo recording under better condition, i.e., indoors with accoustic music.

Thanks for all your work it was fun to listen.
I would be cool to hear a comparison on something like a jazz outfit, where you can get unamplified input from the drum kit.  That would reveal a naturalness and also lots of transients.

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Re: AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - The Definative Comparison
« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2009, 08:55:46 AM »
I don't think this shoot out can tell you anymore than what they sounded like under these, less than ideal, test conditions.

BINGO!  This comp is exactly what they sounded like under these, less than ideal, test conditions.

Like I said, I did over step my bounds by using "definative" in my title.  Another thing to keep in mind is that there are MANY factors that can effect the test conditions.  But again, for who most of us on this board are (amatuer audio geeks) and what we do (record in less then ideal situations) this is a good representaion of what to expect.

This is exactly the type of comp that matters most to the tapers that tape primarily in the field, specifically concerts from a PA system.

A comp in a studio setting direct mic'ing instruments would tell me nothing about the recording situations I am mostly in, so this comp is great one for me personally.

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Re: AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - The Definative Comparison
« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2009, 07:46:28 PM »
"This is exactly the type of comp that matters most to the tapers that tape primarily in the field, specifically concerts from a PA system.

A comp in a studio setting direct mic'ing instruments would tell me nothing about the recording situations I am mostly in, so this comp is great one for me personally.

Thanks Ted
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Ted,

I wasn't speaking of a studio. As a matter of fact I have never recorded in a studio but rather I always do live on location recordings.

My thoughts were that in a better venue, since most of us record inside, would be a better choice. Also, close micing would also tell us alot more about the differences. Many folks do simple multitrack, i.e., board and ambience and or 16-24 tracks. Regardless, seperate mics are often used on many of the instruments and often times you have a better choice of where you place your ambient mics. In these situations, and even with simple two track stereo recordings, the difference may well be evident.

I'm not sure I agree that everyone here records only under outdoor, windy conditions. If so, that certainly limits the recording season for all but the folks that live in the SE and S. Ca.

 
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Re: AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - The Definative Comparison
« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2009, 09:20:15 AM »
Ted,

I wasn't speaking of a studio. As a matter of fact I have never recorded in a studio but rather I always do live on location recordings.

My thoughts were that in a better venue, since most of us record inside, would be a better choice. Also, close micing would also tell us alot more about the differences. Many folks do simple multitrack, i.e., board and ambience and or 16-24 tracks. Regardless, seperate mics are often used on many of the instruments and often times you have a better choice of where you place your ambient mics. In these situations, and even with simple two track stereo recordings, the difference may well be evident.

I'm not sure I agree that everyone here records only under outdoor, windy conditions. If so, that certainly limits the recording season for all but the floks that live in the SE and S. Ca.

I surrender  :P

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Re: AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - The Definative Comparison
« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2009, 01:45:31 PM »
I surrender  :P

PS: That was Brad's response you quoted above, not mine.


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Ted,

Sorry about confusing you and Brad. I'm not sure what the surrender means but if you felt you were put on the defense my apologies. I do believe I thanked you a number of times for your work and commented on how it was fun. My intent was to make further comments regarding drawing further implications from this comparison. It was not meant to be personal.

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Re: AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - The Definative Comparison
« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2009, 03:27:13 PM »
I surrender  :P

PS: That was Brad's response you quoted above, not mine.



Ted,

Sorry about confusing you and Brad. I'm not sure what the surrender means but if you felt you were put on the defense my apologies. I do believe I thanked you a number of times for your work and commented on how it was fun. My intent was to make further comments regarding drawing further implications from this comparison. It was not meant to be personal.

Ray
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I would say he surrenders in trying to justify his comp, and deal with critics from the peanut gallery. If you want to make a comp a particular way differently than it was done by a member here, feel free to make the effort, and post your results. Nobody likes a "Monday morning QB".
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Re: AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - The Definative Comparison
« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2009, 08:53:32 PM »
Ray
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I would say he surrenders in trying to justify his comp, and deal with critics from the peanut gallery. If you want to make a comp a particular way differently than it was done by a member here, feel free to make the effort, and post your results. Nobody likes a "Monday morning QB".
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So, when someone post a comparison no one is suppose to make any comments to further the discussion in a constructive manner. Sort of like my wife asking me if she looks fat in her dress, I guess.

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Re: AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - The Definative Comparison
« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2009, 10:16:47 PM »
So, when someone post a comparison no one is suppose to make any comments to further the discussion in a constructive manner. Sort of like my wife asking me if she looks fat in her dress, I guess.

Yes, but whereas you wife will no longer perform sexual favors after you hurt her fealings, I'm not sure the same can be said of Ted.  :wink2:  (Sorry I couldn't resist).

Seriously though, the results do sound quite similar under those circumstances, it would be good to repeat under different circumstances...  maybe we can organize something like running dual V3's, stage lip for club d'Elf might bring it out in spades.
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Re: AKG 480 vs. AKG 460 - A Comparison
« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2009, 05:51:17 AM »
maybe we can organize something like running dual V3's, stage lip for club d'Elf might bring it out in spades.
I like where you're going with this Joe.
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